The Silver
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You guys can hate all you want on the positions but that is damn good list.
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The best RPGs of all time (PC Gamer)
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I'm assuming this is the RPG Codex list people are talking about: http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9453
ClaptoVaughn
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Interesting to see South Park on there. I'm a big fan of the show and loved the game, but I didn't know there was that much appreciation for it outside of its immediate fan base.
True. They should replace Diablo 3 with it. And replace Torchlight 2 with Diablo 2 while they are at it.
human onion
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I know about that, I just feel that since I only played KOTOR 2 with restored content, I might not be judging it fairly against the first. The writing in my opinion is much better in the second game with or without the mod, so I agree with its placement.
Better combat is a pretty big thing for these types of games.
Sir Garbageman
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Pretty much my top 5, like the list a ton.
The Cowboy
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If it was Diablo 3 over Diablo 2 I'd be annoyed, but seeing as its Diablo 3 Reaper of Souls (which vastly improved vanilla D3) instead i have no issue with this at all.
Lactose_Intolerant
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21-25 are just thrown in there because they couldn't remember any other good rpg's
I don't consider any of those noteworthy.
nevermind, 23 is pretty good
I don't consider any of those noteworthy.
nevermind, 23 is pretty good
It even scored higher than D:OS. smh
Guerrillas in the Mist
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Deus Ex at 7? You should know better, PC Gamer.
You definitely should.
mysteriousmage09
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That list is tremendously better, my god.
Always fun to see reviewers backing down from their previous claim, eheh-
Yes. It has the best writing, characters and storytelling of any videogame. It basically shit on every production ever and it's on the same level of a book.
hemtae
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Eclectic Jabber Monkey
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ME1 should be on the list if any ME game is, IMO. ME2 was the least RPGish game in the trilogy.
Hey, I'm not going to argue against KOTOR II being on there, even though I have yet to play it with the mod. Though I do think Kreia is really the only stand-out character in KOTOR II whereas KOTOR I had several.
Back when I first played through both games before I even knew who BioWare and Obsidian were, I remember thinking the first game had a better cast and that the plot twist was more of an emotional one (how does this make the player feel?) whereas KOTOR II's plot twist was an intellectual one. I think that was a pretty unintentionally true description of BW and Obsidian's strengths, respectively.
Probably because as wonderful as it is, it comes with some severe caveats against it as well
2 is superior in every single way.
Buggy Loop
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Shit list but at least they mentioned Anachronox, so they're ok in my book.
No it's not.
Don't forget it was also "the best RPG of this decade".
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
The problem is that everything now has the mechanics that were once the domain of RPGs, i.e. skill progression, levelling up, story, dialogue, making choices, etc.
You can call almost anything an RPG, so of course people are going to feel like games are being left out. I personally don't feel like Deus Ex is an RPG, because it's essentially a first-person shooter. But people will continue to call it a straight-up RPG, so who cares.
You can call almost anything an RPG, so of course people are going to feel like games are being left out. I personally don't feel like Deus Ex is an RPG, because it's essentially a first-person shooter. But people will continue to call it a straight-up RPG, so who cares.
It most certainly is.
I think the difference with Deus Ex (at least, with HR, someone tell me if the first is different) is that you don't have to use a gun at all.
Seems unproductive to argue about this without stating the reasons why. There are indeed reasons one may like the first over the second and vice versa.
Diablo III is now better than Diablo II with the recent changes so I'm down for that one... but Skyrim? And Mass Effect 2?
It takes all kinds I guess.
I'd also put Divinity: Original Sin higher, at least top ten.
Also the lack of BattleTech: The Crescent Hawk's Inception invalidates the entire list anyway.
/listwankery
It takes all kinds I guess.
I'd also put Divinity: Original Sin higher, at least top ten.
Also the lack of BattleTech: The Crescent Hawk's Inception invalidates the entire list anyway.
/listwankery
It is unproductive, but I'm too lazy to go into details.
They notably didn't include more than one game per series far as I could tell. At least when said series is reasonably similar between installments, as the case is for Fallout 3/NV but not Fallout 1/2 that were very, very different.
Visualante2
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I haven't played a lot of the games on this list but Mass Effect 2 made me laugh.
Last Hearth
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KOTOR2 in there is a complete joke. I don't care how good your "writing" is, (and KOTOR2's writing is overrated IMO anyway), but a buggy and unfinished mess does not deserve a place on the top anything of all time list. I don't care about the rushed released schedule, a game should be judged on what they released not what "it could have been".
That and South Park being there just proves whoever made this list is a Obsidian fanboy.
That and South Park being there just proves whoever made this list is a Obsidian fanboy.
Uh, same could be said for VTM. That game was nigh on unplayable at release but still one of the best of all time.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
A pacifist option doesn't change the main thrust of the game, in my opinion. If anything, you're just changing it to a stealth game.
A role-playing game should emphasize story and character development above all. In Deus Ex you do shoot things quite a bit.