Ultimadrago
Member
Divinity: Original Sin is a great addition.
Adding South Park: The Stick of Truth at all must have been a mistake.
Adding South Park: The Stick of Truth at all must have been a mistake.
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The best RPGs of all time (PC Gamer)
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mysteriousmage09
Member
This guy gets it.
Solid Samus
Banned
-best rpg list
-two fallout games
-f2 recognition, no f3
Pleasant surprise
-two fallout games
-f2 recognition, no f3
Pleasant surprise
I suppose it depends what the point of the list is. If we're truly just talking about the 25 best games, then I agree mods shouldn't be a part of that. But if we read the list as recommendations for people to play because they will most enjoy the experience, then I think mods have value (which could also explain Skyrim's presence).
And it is the "best rpg of the decade", love that PC Gamer quote.
BouncyFrag
Member
I should get around to playing Stick of Truth.
I... guess it's good enough to get in very low, but it does feel strange to see it there already. I suspect you ask this in a year and it'll not show up, and not just because it was at the very bottom.
I didnt' realize ME2 had such negative feelings. I played upon release and there was so much praise.
angular graphics
Banned
ME2? Really???
Skyrim? Mass Effect 2? Best RPGs?
Nope. I'm just gonna leave this here for people who are interested:
RPG Codex Top 70 PC RPGs (Now with User Reviews!)
Nope. I'm just gonna leave this here for people who are interested:
RPG Codex Top 70 PC RPGs (Now with User Reviews!)
FlyingSaucer
Banned
Pretty shocking oversight. I guess the editorial staff felt secure with both Fallout and Bloodlines in the list ^^
The list feels weird, all over the place. You have Ultima VI and Underworld but where are the other classics like Wizardry (W8 ?) or Might & Magic (Xeen ? VI ?). And you have your indie quota (Grimrock, Dredmor). You have your forgotten, cult semi-obscure 90s title (Anachronox). You have your 2000s fan-favorite (New Vegas, Gothic 2, M&B Warbands, KOTOR). You have Bioware and Obsidian recent big guns. You have Dragon Age and Mass Effect because you have to justify giving them high marks at the time.
It look like they are trying to craft the ultimate synthesis between fans and game journos, between recent and modern, AAA and small budget. Kind of a mixed bag; it lacks a certain sense of identity.
Among a certain group. It's well-loved overall.
I agree with the list lacking M&M. Either Xeen or 6 should be on the list at the very least.
They are PC Gamer. On PC, in 2014, KOTOR 2 is far from an "unfinished mess".
dancingphlower
Member
Good to see Mass Effect 2 so high, if only to see the rage from sensitive people.
I like this list.
Pretty how I feel, I think I'm happy it's there but more on the merit of the writing than its standing as a game/RPG
I apparently missed out on some amazing coverage for DA2. Those quotes, wow.
Pretty how I feel, I think I'm happy it's there but more on the merit of the writing than its standing as a game/RPG
I apparently missed out on some amazing coverage for DA2. Those quotes, wow.
I don't really know much about PC RPGs, I didn't play all that many of them, but a few things stood out for me:
- Diablo 3 over 2 and 1?
- Divinity: Original Sin was just released a month ago, wasn't it? It seems a bit premature to put it on a list like this.
- Mass Effect 2 over 1...is well, I guess the "popular" opinion. I liked 1 more.
- Most games on this list are surprisingly modern. Usually when people talk about the PC golden days, it's more about the 80s or early 90s, maybe it's different for RPGs?
- Personally, I would have put Quest for Glory somewhere on this list.
- Diablo 3 over 2 and 1?
- Divinity: Original Sin was just released a month ago, wasn't it? It seems a bit premature to put it on a list like this.
- Mass Effect 2 over 1...is well, I guess the "popular" opinion. I liked 1 more.
- Most games on this list are surprisingly modern. Usually when people talk about the PC golden days, it's more about the 80s or early 90s, maybe it's different for RPGs?
- Personally, I would have put Quest for Glory somewhere on this list.
Last Hearth
Member
I don't judge a game based on fan made mods.
From a quick count, I think 12 out of these 25 games are over 10 years old. And people are (rightfully) complaining about a lack of classics like M&M and Arcanum.
perfectsil
Member
Witcher 1 needs to be on there but agree with Torment #1
Head.spawn
Junior Member
Control F: "Morrowind" - 'No Matches Found'
I said Morrowind should take Skyrim's place, but I forgot that Mass Effect should be taking Mass Effect 2's place.
KOTOR and FO3 probably should have made it near the end of the list, too. Mask of the Betrayer is a huge omission. Glad to see Anachronox and Arx Fatalis on the list.
KOTOR and FO3 probably should have made it near the end of the list, too. Mask of the Betrayer is a huge omission. Glad to see Anachronox and Arx Fatalis on the list.
A book? Which book?
Last Hearth
Member
Betrayal at Krondor belongs on that list as well.
My honest opinion:
Mount and Blade and Dark Souls are RPG? Well more like an ARPG, and with the action they are so good, the the other things that made them an rpg no so much.
Fallout New Vegas is too high, and I find better the 3.
Swap BG 2 for Planetscape and I will be ok with that.
Diablo 3 at 13th position is a joke for me.
Where's Morrowind?
Mount and Blade and Dark Souls are RPG? Well more like an ARPG, and with the action they are so good, the the other things that made them an rpg no so much.
Fallout New Vegas is too high, and I find better the 3.
Swap BG 2 for Planetscape and I will be ok with that.
Diablo 3 at 13th position is a joke for me.
Where's Morrowind?
Torchlight 2 and Dungeons of Dredmor shouldn't be on this list, Mass Effect 2 should only be around #20-25 at best. Diablo 3 can only be on the list with the caveat that the expansion + latest patch is a must, the original D3 release was horrible. Don't understand why Mask of the Betrayer didn't make the list, while plain vanilla Skyrim did. Skyrim only becomes a great RPG after installing a ton of various mods for it.
flatearthpandas
Member
Interest flagged immediately at seeing South Park on the list. Nothing against it but... best RPGs of all time? And no NWN or Diablo 2? Of all time?
Yet you accept Skyrim and VtM there(though Skyrim shoould not be even with mod support).
Rickenslacker
Banned
Seeing Skyrim placed right above Deus Ex made me light headed. Some questionable choices but whatever.
That list is probably the best one out there (I think there was a GAF thread about it some months ago...).
Shit, you're right - forgot about BaK as well. I was just playing a bit of that last weekend!
spindoctor
Member
Mass Effect 2. MASS EFFECT 2.
what a joke
what a joke
NWN was more a content creation tool than a game, with the base game being kind of crappy, and Diablo 2... uhh, I guess Reaper of Souls is meant to be its stand in, but unless Reaper of Souls REALLY vaulted Diablo 3 up I'd place priority on 2.
I think it was a great game (never intended to be deep or challenging), but there are some questionable omissions that would have been better suited for a GOAT RPG list: Morrowind, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect, Arcanum, Fallout, Baldur's Gate, Alpha Protocol, Fallout 3, Icewind Dale, and Mask of the Betrayer to name a few.
It's a solid list given that it is from a major publication but there are some jarring inclusions and exclusions that almost make you wonder if the criteria for making it on the list was consistent or meant to please viewers.
Legend of Grimrock while a solid game doesn't compare to many dungeon-crawlers of the Wizardry or Might & Magic series which are both entirely excluded.
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is another oddity especially when Morrowind is absent.
I don't want to over-analyze a list, there are several notable exceptions that have already been commented on such as Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura but at least they remembered quite a few of the greats.
Yes there is. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=764633
For comparison:
Legend of Grimrock while a solid game doesn't compare to many dungeon-crawlers of the Wizardry or Might & Magic series which are both entirely excluded.
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is another oddity especially when Morrowind is absent.
I don't want to over-analyze a list, there are several notable exceptions that have already been commented on such as Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura but at least they remembered quite a few of the greats.
Yes there is. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=764633
For comparison:
List is ridiculous with lack of Morrowind and Diablo II. Morrowind is one of my personal favorites of all-time, but Diablo II shouldn't even be debatable. It has to be one of the most played and longest played PC games ever. I would think it should be top 5 easy. I'll give them the top 2 though.
Netherscourge
Banned
WHAT?
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WHAT?
They have D3 over D2?
And World of Warcraft, Starcraft 1 OR 2, Warcraft 2 OR 3 aren't even on the list?