Darkroronoa
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Its a good game but the plot is like a big filler on the main plot and the gameplay is a corridor shooter.
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The best RPGs of all time (PC Gamer)
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Its a good game but the plot is like a big filler on the main plot and the gameplay is a corridor shooter.
While I agree that it's a clever part of the game, wasn't that quote a dev talking about the entire game, and not just the faux-intro?
You have what Bioware considers witty banter between characters where everyone but Varic)and somewhat the siblings) is a singular trait defined companion, being limited to 3 personalities for the lead with 3 types of short responses to severely limit dialogue in a game with some of the most ineffectual choices ever.
Yes, there are games with worse writing, does not make it any less shit
teh_J0kerer
Member
GAF often comes close to getting me to play Planescape:Torment, but I just don't think I care enough about stories in games.
On the same level as a book? But all books are on the same level as a book. Why don't I just read a book?
Freeman
Banned
I didn't know it was a quote. Well, Bioware, always disappointing.
Why play video games when you can play board games or sports?
Not all books are good BTW.
What makes an RPG? Serious question since I hear a very, very vocal minority here on GAF regarding Skyrim "not being an RPG". I might be fucked up and I understand RPG's are usually a mix of different things, but one of the biggest aspects is character customisation and progression, right? If you agree with me on that point, how exactly is Skyrim not an RPG? Sure, dialogue was pretty bad, but I'm talking about that one thing in particular. I thought it nailed at least that aspect right. And it might have been streamlined and "mainstreamed", but that doesn't make it any less of an RPG.
Don't do dare insult New Vegas.
Yeah yeah people make fun of RPG Codex but damn do they know some great games.
More like "some random person's favorite RPGs." Way too idiosyncratic to read like a "best of all time" list. Some really bad choices. ME2 and Skyrim have no business being in the top ten, and if people are going to include System Shock 2 in a list of "RPGs," they may as well start including things like GTA Vice City. I'm all for expanding the definition, but do it with some consistency.
Veritigo_X
Member
The fact that Skyrim is on there over Morrowind or Oblivion is confusing. What did the writer like about Skyrim over the others? If it's shallow quests and prettier graphics I can see why it's on there.
Freeman
Banned
If ME isn't an RPG than Dragon Age isn't an RPG.
If Dragon Age isn't a RPG, I don't think we can say BG is a RPG. Then what is a RPG?
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
More people need to play Mask of the Betrayer. It was the best RPG of last gen guys!
Interfectum
Member
My thoughts as well.
nortonff
Hi, I'm nortonff. I spend my life going into threads to say that I don't care about the topic of the thread. It's a really good use of my time.
4. Dark Souls: Prepare To Die Edition - forth ? really ? just a hard die die die game
5. Mass Effect 2 - I love ME...but it's to much action for a spot like this in a rpg list
25. South Park: The Stick of Truth - so this is better than NWN ?
5. Mass Effect 2 - I love ME...but it's to much action for a spot like this in a rpg list
25. South Park: The Stick of Truth - so this is better than NWN ?
Because you can't play books (Unless you count those Goosebumps choose your own story ones) and because there is no GOOD Planescape Torment book.
A miserable little pile of romances.
Veritigo_X
Member
It sounds like you've just heard of Dark Souls and not actually played it.
Because you like RPG and videogames? I dunno, why you shouldn't? Weird question.
One of the party members is an entire planet.
Deified Data
Banned
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines not in the top 5? Eeesh.
Also I love Skyrim but saying it's a better RPG than Morrowind or Daggerfall is absurd.
Also I love Skyrim but saying it's a better RPG than Morrowind or Daggerfall is absurd.
nortonff
Hi, I'm nortonff. I spend my life going into threads to say that I don't care about the topic of the thread. It's a really good use of my time.
I played it...just found it boring. I know it's a important game thow.
This isn't the thread for this, but I think you're being severely reductionist in your analysis of the characters and the dialogue wheel.
Indrid Cold
Unconfirmed Member
Really? Diablo 3 over 2? And skyrim over morrowind? Not sure I'd call mass effect 2 an rpg either.
#1 Planescape Torment. Well at least they got that right. The top 4 are actually pretty solid, and then you get into silliness like Diablo 3 even being near this list. I went back to try that game recently and it was still an abomination.
PC gamer list is not giving a shit about the Wii.
PC gamer list is not giving a shit about the Wii.
I agree, it's the question for the ages. It seems almost everyone has their own set of "rules" as to when something is more an RPG than another genre. To me, it's all about character customisation and progression, followed by dialogue and exploration. But I'm not really sure what the general consensus is, both on GAF and gaming in general.
Your thoughts?
Hey_Blinkin
Member
Diablo 2 not being on this list is absolutely insane to me. Interesting that Divinity: Original Sin is on there. I absolutely believe that it will be considered one of the greatest of all time, but maybe it's a bit soon to put it on this list considering how recent of a release it is.
What made Skyrim a good RPG is the inmersion, that no other game could do.
Inmersion mean good grafics plus music and enviroment design.
Also the history that Elder Scrolls have is superior than other games in the list, and ofc is a fun game for a lot of people.
The bad points are what everybody know, but actually, three years later a lot of people still playing this game, so isn't that bad, no?
Inmersion mean good grafics plus music and enviroment design.
Also the history that Elder Scrolls have is superior than other games in the list, and ofc is a fun game for a lot of people.
The bad points are what everybody know, but actually, three years later a lot of people still playing this game, so isn't that bad, no?
Robert at Zeboyd Games
Banned
Planescape: Torment & Anachronox are great visual novels/CYOAs but not really very good as games or RPGs. They would be greatly improved if they had been made as point & click adventure games instead.
Freeman
Banned
Unacceptable.
I don't know. So many RPGs mechanics have being appropriated by other genres. If I was to define it, it would be something like narrative heavy games with emphasis on character progression and exploration(or at least those are the prevalent elements). That would incorporate most CRPGs, action RPGs, JRPGs, etc.
You never played any Fighting Fantasy books? You really missed out.
Kacho
Member
Agreed. The game parts have serious problems, but the world and feels you got exploring it are unmatched IMO.
RoS is a classic case of going from mediocre or bad to above average and getting praised for the amount of improvement without the end result being any more than decent overall. LoD was more substantive without being a blatant "we're just undoing what was horribly screwed up by our predecessors" type expansion. In all honesty the only thing Diablo 3 did definitively better was combat. Build variety, itemization and skill mechanics are still huge problems in making the game overly simplistic and stagnant. Still, it represents an upward trajectory for the game. That's the good news and why I have some faith left in the team. I await the next expansion with legitimate anticipation.
Honestly I have played through just about all of the games on that list and I feel like Divinity should have a better spot than #16.
Diablo 3 over Diablo 2 and Titan Quest though...and South Park even being on the list...no.
I am happy they included Dark Souls though.
devious.one
Member
I really need to make time for Divinity: OS soon...
This
Freeman
Banned
Why do you say that?
Never played Anachronox, and it has been a long time since I played Planescape: Torment but I remember the combat being fun and challenging.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
I guess I need to play KOTOR 2. KOTOR 1 is one of my favourite games of all time, so to see the second one on the list surprises me.
ME2 is an interesting choice. It's been a few years since I've played them, but I felt ME1 had the better story, even if the Mako was maddening and the sidequests subpar. ME2 seemed to streamline the RPG elements so combat was better, but aside from your party members' dialogue the story was a stepping stone for the third game.
ME2 is an interesting choice. It's been a few years since I've played them, but I felt ME1 had the better story, even if the Mako was maddening and the sidequests subpar. ME2 seemed to streamline the RPG elements so combat was better, but aside from your party members' dialogue the story was a stepping stone for the third game.
Yes. Yes, you do.
Deified Data
Banned
Probably because stats and preparation are largely secondary to skill and the game doesn't really present any meaningful RP choices until the very end. That said there are many definitions of RPG. I'm sort of on the fence about it myself, but the Souls series ticks enough RPG trope boxes that I'm comfortable calling it a roleplaying game.