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The Dark Tower Movie officially announced (Idris Elba, Matthew McConaughey)
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I'm totally not evil.
Wait did Flagg ever have minions in the books? I honestly cannot remember it's been so long since I read it.
VistraNorrez
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I'm really excited for this. When you consider this as a film production it makes sense to combine elements from the first 2 books. You don't want to
revisit events that take place prior to book 1 and have the actor playing Jake age a few years.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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obin_gam
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he has the
kidnapped ones who he uses to break all the lines to the tower.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Wait:
I wonder if this movie will start with
I wonder if this movie will start with
The Crimson King just being a pair of eyes at the tower
Not directly but he is the Crimson King's chief agent.
In Wizard and Glass he meets with the Eldred Jonas and is given some slight orders.
Also in Father Callahan's flashback there is some stuff going on.
Though you can argue that's not really Walter due to the low man's breathing hole on his head which the real Walter doesn't have.
Also in Father Callahan's flashback there is some stuff going on.
Though you can argue that's not really Walter due to the low man's breathing hole on his head which the real Walter doesn't have.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Sayre also mentions that Flagg is his boss at some point although they never appear together
I always forget him.
obin_gam
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Third article up now, the similarities and differences between the books and the movie: http://bit.ly/29KU4s1 (I bit.ly:ed the url because the title is a huge spoiler)
This is the gist of the article:
This is the gist of the article:
Not that surprising considering this is more or less an adaptation of the first book.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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This is exciting
Yeah, I'm happy I'll be able to experience something pretty much brand new instead of just worrying over what's different the entire time I'm watching the movie.
Really looking forward to re-reading the books before this though!
So judging by the end of the last book
Would it make sense to assume that none of the antagonists would either?
??
it seems Roland doesn't remember anything about his previous time through the cycle, right?
Would it make sense to assume that none of the antagonists would either?
Then again, the Crimson King and Flagg seem so ostensibly "outside" the workings of the smaller "worlds" and are more "of the macroverse" that maybe Flagg does remember the previous cycles and could reference them in nods to the book to the movie by taunting Roland about prior choices and having Roland have no idea what he's talking about.
Nah-not until well after Eddie and Susannah show up.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The article says he's not in it.
You can read into some of Flaggs lines in the books and interrupt them as him knowing there have been previous cycles.
The article specifically mentions that Flagg is trying to resurrect the CK in this movie though, which makes me wonder if he's still dead (or a pair of eyes) from the end of Book 7.
The article specifically mentions that Flagg is trying to resurrect the CK in this movie though, which makes me wonder if he's still dead (or a pair of eyes) from the end of Book 7.
I'm not even sure Mid-World is going to be in this movie.
Song of the Turtle
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So, Roland actually
I've hoped they would do it this way and I can't believe its really happenning. This is great news.
has the horn 
that's the beauty of it. they can make a good movie for newcomers who won't have to care about the horn thing, with a huge payoff with the final movie (if we get one) but for book readers the movies are like a sequel
Yeah I understand. I guess I'll have to fight that urge to feel like I don't want a sequel. Or that others won't see the brilliance in the original story portrayed in film. I really really really hope the movie(s) do awesome and they get to properly tell the full story of what they want to and that the payoff for book fans and newcomers is amazing.
Here's a short scene of them filming a fight scene. It just shows Elba kind of trotting down a street. Better than nothing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66a92sdzuQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_66a92sdzuQ
Gozer the Gozerian
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Oh shit! That desert. I was getting worried that the whole movie was going to be in NYC
As an outsider who knows nothing the images look great but really confusing, does it time jump? The modern day images seem really out of place with some of the character designs, which is a bit jarring.
obin_gam
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Do you want to know? It's not really a spoiler, just explaining the setting:
Different dimensions.
the_firewithin
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Starting to get super pumped for this
darkstar0155
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some of those stills look awesome and is getting me excited. Started reading these books when I was like 16 and they are what pushed me to get back into reading.
illmatic22
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They look like a cult.
dragonbane
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OMG THIS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING??? First time I'm even learning of this and I read all the books. Goddamn that casting and still shots. Instantly most hyped movie
EDIT: HE HAS THE HORN!? Amazing, just amazing
EDIT: HE HAS THE HORN!? Amazing, just amazing
Ah ok, so this isnt so much a spoiler and more just how the universe works?
obin_gam
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Yeah, The Tower is (more world explanation)
what holds our universe up. Every reality is connected to it (which includes the other Stephen King books). Every level in the Tower is one reality. But the Tower is in danger, The Man in Black wants to demolish it, Roland has to find it, and save it.
At the end of the first novel Roland has a vision (and in Wizard and Glass when he is in the ball) in which he is thrust to the end of the universe and breaks breaks though and is shown like a chicken breaking through it's shell. It's then shown like an atom in a blade of grass and then that blade of grass is in a field of roses which is Can'Ka No-Rey which surrounds the Tower.
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What are the odds we get something for this at comic con next week?
Kenzodielocke
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So, I only read half (maybe a third) of the first book, because it fucking sucks but I got spoiled a while a go that there is
. So these images are not considered spoilers ? I mean, it almost feels like (GoT- Spoiler)
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time travel
showing Ned Starks beheading
No, not even close.
I just read this on Reddit and I feel like this is a really good way to put some of the things I was trying to say earlier but I suck spoilers maybe?
Totally agree about the others, but this one does make sense and works, I think.
The whole point of the 'ka is a wheel' thing and the final page is that Roland is living a karmic cycle, where he'll live his journey over and over until he's actually worthy of climbing the tower. Every time, the mysterious doors he 'draws' from give him different things/people that make the next journey different. What we saw was his 19th attempt. On this attempt, the doors gave him Susannah, Eddie, and Jake, who all had their own fucked up issues, and then wounded him so he'd be forced to rely on them more. By the end of the journey, he has "learnt a lesson" to trust and engage more with the people around him, erasing one of his personal flaws and becoming slightly more worthy of climbing the tower.
Originally, Roland's childhood friend, owns the horn, and it is dying wish that Roland fetch the horn and not leave it in the battlefield. Roland fails to do this, and regrets it, thinks it's a betrayal of his friendship. In the first book, he reflects on why missing the horn makes him so upset -- the text is "He still had his father's guns, and surely they were more important than horns, or even friends. Weren't they?"
So the horn, to Roland, is a symbol of comradery/friendship/teamwork, and the fact that he left the horn behind is a symbol of his failure to his comrades and inability to keep his oaths to people. The fact that Roland has the horn on his 20th journey means that he didn't make that mistake, he fulfilled his dying friend's wish, because that flaw has been erased from him. It shows that the ka wheel he's trapped in isn't some eternal pointless hell, but that the progress he makes each time is actually kept -- he's making progress as a person and someday he'll be worthy of reaching the top of the tower, or enlightenment, or whatever ka/karmic type thing you take from that.
There is a premonition of this in book 1: the final line has Roland dreaming of the day in some distant future when he will approach the tower carrying the horn. (It also has Roland waiting for events he shouldn't possibly know about, like "the time of the drawing", hinting that he's done all this before.)
The whole point of the 'ka is a wheel' thing and the final page is that Roland is living a karmic cycle, where he'll live his journey over and over until he's actually worthy of climbing the tower. Every time, the mysterious doors he 'draws' from give him different things/people that make the next journey different. What we saw was his 19th attempt. On this attempt, the doors gave him Susannah, Eddie, and Jake, who all had their own fucked up issues, and then wounded him so he'd be forced to rely on them more. By the end of the journey, he has "learnt a lesson" to trust and engage more with the people around him, erasing one of his personal flaws and becoming slightly more worthy of climbing the tower.
Originally, Roland's childhood friend, owns the horn, and it is dying wish that Roland fetch the horn and not leave it in the battlefield. Roland fails to do this, and regrets it, thinks it's a betrayal of his friendship. In the first book, he reflects on why missing the horn makes him so upset -- the text is "He still had his father's guns, and surely they were more important than horns, or even friends. Weren't they?"
So the horn, to Roland, is a symbol of comradery/friendship/teamwork, and the fact that he left the horn behind is a symbol of his failure to his comrades and inability to keep his oaths to people. The fact that Roland has the horn on his 20th journey means that he didn't make that mistake, he fulfilled his dying friend's wish, because that flaw has been erased from him. It shows that the ka wheel he's trapped in isn't some eternal pointless hell, but that the progress he makes each time is actually kept -- he's making progress as a person and someday he'll be worthy of reaching the top of the tower, or enlightenment, or whatever ka/karmic type thing you take from that.
There is a premonition of this in book 1: the final line has Roland dreaming of the day in some distant future when he will approach the tower carrying the horn. (It also has Roland waiting for events he shouldn't possibly know about, like "the time of the drawing", hinting that he's done all this before.)
What? It's not on that level of "spoiler" at all. This would be like revealing that there's another continent called Essos that other characters are at in addition to the characters on Westeros.
The rest of EWs images:
The fourth image down could potentially be
the mansion on Dutch hiLloyd from the 3rd book
I squeed a little.
Still, it's best not to get my hopes up to much,while I adore the series Kings books don't often translate to film too well. I'll still go & see it mind!
darkstar0155
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Is there any doubt its anything but? The only thing that worries me is if they do use the house to bring jake to MidWorld, than that probably means
that he wont let jake die and fall in the mountains, thus no climax with flagg holding palaver. I mean you could work around it and just have him come back to midworld another way after his death. But if jake doesn't die.... than that changes huge aspects of the story (like roland losing his mind)
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