Your lips get all bruised and cut up from the rough brick interior of the chimney stack and of course all that heat and steam cause people's hair to curl. Duh
Dangerously high. Story makes sense. Sealed.
Your lips get all bruised and cut up from the rough brick interior of the chimney stack and of course all that heat and steam cause people's hair to curl. Duh
?I hope the ones feeling all high and mighty in this thread aren't from the country close to electing Donald Trump.
I hope the ones feeling all high and mighty in this thread aren't from the country close to electing Donald Trump.
If it was people clearly painting it more like they were a chimney worker (dunno the word) then I could really entertain the idea that there's nothing racist about it.I am Dutch and i am black. And i never thought Zwarte Piet was a racist thing. Still dont.
Alot of my black friends dont either. It all started when suddenly a small group found it racist and went very vocal about 2 years ago. When i was young i never had the feeling they were a "lblack help" Zwarte Piet was cool, they were doing great stunts and all i knew was that they were black because they went through the chimney to deliver the presents. Me and my friends black and white dressed up like them and went door to door. I even put make up on to look like that i went through the chimney. Because that is what the make up is for not make up to look like a black person.
Who is acting high and mighty?I hope the ones feeling all high and mighty in this thread aren't from the country close to electing Donald Trump.
I hope the ones feeling all high and mighty in this thread aren't from the country close to electing Donald Trump.
My personal opinion is that it's easy to change, kids don't care, and a part of our society feels discriminated because of it, so why not change it?
Went to a local shop (Action) and it already had Sinterklaas decorations out, like garlands and napkins etc. To my surpise the Petes where white or very light brown, no black Petes anymore. So it is changing.
For instance, there are 43,000,000 results in Google from the WAshington Post that begin with "Americans..." and then represent a general cultural opinion.
The BBC has a great article called "Why are Americans so obsessed with guns?" As an American, I'm not obsessed with guns, but there are many Americans who are. Am I part of the problem with "America's" gun obsession? Maybe, but probably not. I don't see this as a direct criticism of me, I see it as an article generally written about Americans which is probably generally true.
I dunno, I don't think the title is a personal criticism of individual Dutch people. But that "many Dutch are realizing Black Pete is racist."
Cuz, reasons.why do dutch chimneys make your lips red and hair curly?
I hope the ones feeling all high and mighty in this thread aren't from the country close to electing Donald Trump.
A comment from the defenders on here? There were some last time this topic came up.
Dangerously high. Story makes sense. Sealed.
Yeah, those people who think zwarte piet is wrong would also side with a bigot and a sexist!I hope the ones feeling all high and mighty in this thread aren't from the country close to electing Donald Trump.
And Belgium. Dont forget your neighbour. We're just as bad.Currently everyone in the Netherlands:
Yeah, those people who think zwarte piet is wrong would also side with a bigot and a sexist!
why do the most vile politicians always have the worst hair
A comment from the defenders on here? There were some last time this topic came up.
I hope the ones feeling all high and mighty in this thread aren't from the country close to electing Donald Trump.
It's like Donald Trump walked into a European discotheque.
What does this even mean? 😕
I don't want to be sensitive about this but I feel attacked by this statement. We're not some glob of people all with the exact same opinions and views. A professional outlet should know better.
A lot of people are against racism here and many of them are against the stereotypes portrayed in the character of Black Pete, but you should really not marginalize a country of almost 17 million people as "the Dutch".
Don't take away the racist tradition from the children!A comment from the defenders on here? There were some last time this topic came up.
I hope the ones feeling all high and mighty in this thread aren't from the country close to electing Donald Trump.
A comment from the defenders on here? There were some last time this topic came up.
1) Santa Claus is a bastardisation of Sinterklaas, not the other way aroundwhy are santa claus helpers black in this tradition?
That was two years ago iirc. Last year they went back to blackface, to the disappointment of many..well dozens of us :/.. and apparently luckily also the head Piet.Last year the annual TV show and advertisements stopped using blackface and the clothing gave the impression of 'Piet' just fine.
Nice of them to note that most schools did so out of fear of violence by anti Piet radicals, and they did not want the celebration to be tainted by violence.
I don't want to be sensitive about this but I feel attacked by this statement. We're not some glob of people all with the exact same opinions and views. A professional outlet should know better.
A lot of people are against racism here and many of them are against the stereotypes portrayed in the character of Black Pete, but you should really not marginalize a country of almost 17 million people as "the Dutch".
"I may be a racist but at least I am not electing one"
Makes no fucking sense.
So we can't call any group as "Americans", "Christians", "Muslims", "British" etc. anymore?
It's a dying tradition, but it's gonna take years for it to disappear entirely. I have to work on a Sinterklaas event with some people who still cling firmly to the old stereotype, it's something that won't go away overnight. But even people like that realize it's going to happen sooner rather than later. We're still going to be seeing threads about this for years to come.
I'm a big fan of the portrayal they used in the film last year. Not black but smudged with soot.
Because that is what the make up is for not make up to look like a black person.