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[Edmond Dantès]

It's a little irritating that you guys are jumping on this discussion like it's a massive argument that's ruining the thread in some way. Maybe that's how it's gone down in the past, but if we can't discuss certain drivers just because they split opinion then what's the point of this thread?

I think some of us are just wary of the past where Hamilton debates have descended into Planet F1 levels of discourse. This has ruined the mood of the thread and put people off posting in the past, which is a shame.

 

[slmkay]

Just like old times then.

A F1 thread without a heated Hamilton debate is like F1 without Ferrari.

My apologies. I didn't mean to hijack this thread. I only meant to lay down some facts about Lewis' wet-weather driving. If this is an 'argument', then why do we bother having a thread for F1?

I know the tendency is to rate drivers as good their last race was, but Lewis has always been great in mixed conditions/wet racing. Anyone overlooking that is just ignorant or heavily biased. It's like saying Vettel is a poor qualifier or Schumacher can't win without the best car + team politics.

Puh-lease.

 

[Septimius]

Hamilton has more achievements in wet than I can remember, it seems. I just remember the China pit entry and Montreal. Selective memory I guess. I'd just hope to see some Schumacher awesomness, and I'd be content.

 

[Psychotext]

Thing is, any wet driver who is worth their salt will also have crashes in the wet to their name. Why? Because they're pushing the limits, all the time.

 

[Septimius]

Has Massa had any good wet performances the last years?

 

[Az]

I think some of us are just wary of the past where Hamilton debates have descended into Planet F1 levels of discourse. This has ruined the mood of the thread and put people off posting in the past, which is a shame.

One of the reasons I rarely post in F1 threads but follow every single page.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

My apologies. I didn't mean to hijack this thread. I only meant to lay down some facts about Lewis' wet-weather driving. If this is an 'argument', then why do we bother having a thread for F1?

I know the tendency is to rate drivers as good their last race was, but Lewis has always been great in mixed conditions/wet racing. Anyone overlooking that is just ignorant or heavily biased. It's like saying Vettel is a poor qualifier or Schumacher can't win without the best car + team politics.

Puh-lease.

There's nothing wrong with what you said or the tone you said it in. There's no need to apologise and I agree with your opinion of Lewis' wet weather talent.

Definitely one of the best, if not the best currently, but prone to an odd mistake like the previous rain masters before him; Senna and Schumacher.

 

[Gareth Bale]

I think some of us are just wary of the past where Hamilton debates have descended into Planet F1 levels of discourse. This has ruined the mood of the thread and put people off posting in the past, which is a shame.

Kind of sad we can't talk about Hamilton just because of how other people have acted in the past.

Point taken though, no more Hamilton discussion.

 

[Orgun]

Man, hamiltons great. Hope he wins this weekend.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Kind of sad we can't talk about Hamilton just because of how other people have acted in the past.

Point taken though, no more Hamilton discussion.

We can and should talk about Hamilton as much as we like.

If it descends into madness then so be it.

 

[defel]

Its because of Hamilton that I started watching F1 back in '07 so Ill always be hoping he does well.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

So are the stewards going to be less racist against him this year?

 

[Psychotext]

Ahhh... aaarrggghhhh.

It's coz I iz dope innit.

 

[Septimius]

This won't end well

 

[kanugo]

And tonight, we do it all again!

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Still remember the initial outrage among F1 fans when this happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPBrJ74C8I

 

[Septimius]

Still remember the initial outrage among F1 fans when this happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPBrJ74C8I

Classic. I think there was a communal facepalm.

 

[S. L.]

What was the said bonus for using this? 3kph on a straight?

the bonus comes more from fast corners in quali

 

[fu3lfr3nzy]

Semi-F1 (Lewis) related news: Nicole performing a concert this weekend in Malaysia

Ironically, I only found out via the SNSD/K-Pop Thread :lol

 

[S. L.]

Semi-F1 (Lewis) related news: Nicole performing a concert this weekend in Malaysia

Ironically, I only found out via the SNSD/K-Pop Thread :lol

where is the irony?

 

[fu3lfr3nzy]

where is the irony?

Finding F1 news in a k-pop thread of all places (the whole concert is marketed as part of this weekends F1 festivities)

 

[Berto]

Has Massa had any good wet performances the last years?

He was pretty good at Monaco 08 when was actually raining, then Ferrari messed up his strategy and he made a mistake at Sainte Devote.

EDIT: Actually it was a safety car that ruined Massa early lead, not Ferrari. I think...

 

[Psychotext]

Hopefully that will mean they don't spend a good chunk of the race focussing on her in the pits.

 

[Acidote]

Even with it being part of the F1 festivities I wouldn't call that F1 news.

 

[mclem]

Apart from Canada last year I cant think of any race ever lasting more than 4 hours. The only reason that rule was introduced was because of Canada 2011, its unlikely that we will ever need it again.

I have to say, if there *is* a lengthy downtime, I'd be interested to see how Sky and the BBC manage it now the great commentary double-act have been split up.

I also wonder if Sky will be able to cope with no ads for *four hours*!

 

[frontieruk]

I have to say, if there *is* a lengthy downtime, I'd be interested to see how Sky and the BBC manage it now the great commentary double-act have been split up.

I also wonder if Sky will be able to cope with no ads for *four hours*!

with racing down time Sky will resort to showing adverts if only to cover how poor their coverage/commentary is, 4 straight hours of it would be painful.

 

[mclaren777]

GP2 starts this weekend, anyone else watching?

I'm really looking forward to it.

 

[Massa]

Has Massa had any good wet performances the last years?

This is a bit old now but it's one of his highlights in F1 imo.

 

[Septimius]

This is a bit old now but it's one of his highlights in F1 imo.

Wasn't this the first time we really saw Vettel? I remember feeling so bad for him after he had done wonderfully in the beginning of the race and crashing with Button, I think?

 

[Betta Lines]

I'm really looking forward to it.

Woah. That's a GP2 car? It looks sooo much better than an F1 car. FFS.

 

[brotkasten]

Woah. That's a GP2 car? It looks sooo much better than an F1 car. FFS.

It doesn't look better than the McLaren.

 

[Betta Lines]

Yeah it does. I've never got used to the thin rear wings. That GP2 is what F1 cars used to look like, in the V10 years. Soo much better.

 

[Polyphony]

I'm biased, but I much prefer the aerodynamic work on modern F1 cars, it's engineering art (except for the nose lol).

 

[brotkasten]

Yeah it does. I've never got used to the thin rear wings. That GP2 is what F1 cars used to look like, in the V10 years. Soo much better.

Nope, the rear wing might be a bit wider than the current rear wing in F1, but it's still not as wide as the ones we had few years ago, so it's not really an improvement.

 

[Omiee]

so which top team driver will be the first one to crash?

 

[Betta Lines]

Nope, the rear wing might be a bit wider than the current rear wing in F1, but it's still not as wide as the ones we had few years ago, so it's not really an improvement.

Any increase in width... is an improvement.

 

[AndyD]

Nope, the rear wing might be a bit wider than the current rear wing in F1, but it's still not as wide as the ones we had few years ago, so it's not really an improvement.

Those were the days. A nice wide rear and a relatively simple front. The cars had an attractive proportion and simplicity to them by comparison. Although not as nice as the early to mid 90s cars.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Those were the days. A nice wide rear and a relatively simple front. The cars had an attractive proportion and simplicity to them by comparison. Although not as nice as the early to mid 90s cars.

What F1 cars should look like:

 

[Adamm]

F1 Taxis!

Pity there are no Ferrari & McLaren

 

[Lucius86]

Has Massa had any good wet performances the last years?

"Has Massa had any good performances the last years" is the more appropiate question.

 

[navanman]

so which top team driver will be the first one to crash?

Webber or Kimi

 

[Dilly]

Has Massa had any good wet performances the last years?

Has Massa had any good performances the last years?

-edit-

Goddamnit Lucius.

 

[navanman]

What F1 cars should look like:

I think it shows how much the understanding of aerodynamics has changed over the last 20 years, hell even the last 10 years.
Look at Newey's MP13/14 and see how the design has improved due to powerful computer modelling and better windtunnels.

 

[S. L.]

so which top team driver will be the first one to crash?

Webber will start in reverse again
so Webber and guy behind Webber

 

[NihonTiger90]

F1 Taxis!

Pity there are no Ferrari & McLaren

Does the Sauber taxi driver drift?

 

[mclaren777]

so which top team driver will be the first one to crash?

Probably Kimi.

 

[brotkasten]

Any increase in width... is an improvement.

If the wing doesn't go from wheel to wheel, it looks like crap.

 

[DrM]

Wet races also give the drivers a time to shine.

Or to show their lawnmower skills like one certain Brazilian fo' sure

 

[Omiee]

What F1 cars should look like:

yeah no

that looks to basic. i love last years car's they looked so good.

 

[brotkasten]

Got finally time to watch the Australian GP. Really good start from both Ferrari, the same can't be said from Webber.

And my God, Croft is terrible.