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What about Starship Troopers?
Arkage
Banned
Which tweets are these? I haven't seen any recent ones. I know the game address the controversial subject of universal basic income, but that's not a GG/feminism related topic.
Not even comparable. Oculus is a piece of tech with zero ideology into it. Furthermore, the Oculus is out of Luckey's hands, meaning we are likely spared any sort of funding he would have done to support terrible games that reflect his views on the device.
Look a couple pages back. And sorry, not tweets, like.
the_darkness
Banned
This is extraordinarily dense.
Based on the recent twitter activity people are so fond of bringing up, he isn't shy about his shitty views regarding women and feminism.
If the game was still about that, why wouldn't he just own it?
The people who have seen it are excited about it. If there was still an overt gamergate message in there, it would be clear.
i'm also not buying oculus products because of him. i hope this doesn't give you an aneurysm
the_darkness
Banned
You do you.
I really hope the dev just didn't understand what GG was about and was seduced by its biases, and since the disastrous E3 has educated himself and has had an epiphany, and with that, changed the plot away from a condemnation of feminism.
I will wait for the reviews to see what the message of the game ultimately is.
I will wait for the reviews to see what the message of the game ultimately is.
well this is a drastic change from calling us all hypocrites a page or two back
Because he doesn't want to lose his partnership with Microsoft I'd bet.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Because it's bad for business, and Microsoft was on his ass the moment his past came up. Why do you think fluff pieces like this keep coming out where all they can talk about is how pretty the game is?
You have no right to call anyone extraordinarily dense when we're currently contacting doctors to see if you've even got a brain. You can't keep deflecting or ignoring when people ask you to back up your posts. So start being more honest or own up to being a piece of shit.
CannonFodder52
Member
Microsoft
Par for the course response but....
He defeats himself by posing the first question
Stop blaming and shaming and make a statement
Hey it seems you ignored that one, so I'm just gonna repost it:
"Oh so you know what has changed? Please tell me. Choosing to believe a guy who wrote that instead of waiting to jump to the defense of the game before seeing what actually has changed says a lot about you."
I'm still waiting to see the reason that you're so sure this game doesn't propagate mysogyny anymore.
I also listen to Skrewdriver for the music /s
Maybe cause he's seen the backlash and doesn't wanna add to it by being honest about said shitty views. It's not rocket science.
More_Badass
Member
They've keep the narrative very under wraps, and mainly only tweet about visual and technical updates. That such a message is present wouldn't be clear at all at this point.
Considering that
1) the kinds of tweets he liked and retweeted before and after the reveal, the claim that he changed his beliefs is hard to take at face value
2) the main tweet about the story was made a year into development, and that the game has been in development for four years, and the core mechanics and concept is based heavily around narrative and choice, the notion that the game's story and foundation for its world-building could be changed so significantly from then is kind of suspect
Because even if the story is perfectly fine, I still wouldn't want to support a person with such beliefs. I mean, he wanted to use Vivian James in his game
the_darkness
Banned
Is this really acceptable?
And even that is damning in my eyes. They're literally trying to coast off the looks of the game. Which is fine for any other game that we don't know what it was about.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Answer the posts. I don't honestly think you can.
the_darkness
Banned
Which ones. I've been pretty direct about my opinions so I dont know what the fuck you think I'm deflecting.
Arkage
Banned
It's hard to argue it would be "bad" for business. It seems most progressives have written this game off completely already no matter the outcome, so what audience would he bring in by changing the ideology to a more progressive style? Doubling down on gamergate or "anti PC" stuff would likely increase his sales with the Colin Moriarty-types, as we all know Colin isn't hurting for money.
I can see MS being on his ass, though.
AlexFlame116
Member
Wait, he wanted to use THE Vivian James? Isn't she like the mascot of GG?I mean, he wanted to use Vivian James in his game
....wait why is the mascot a girl? I thought they would choose a guy cause of their stances. Or is it satire?
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
Opinions are not equal to the 'facts' you continue to spout about how the game isn't about GG or heavily influenced by his misogynistic and conservative-leaning viewpoints. Multiple people have also quoted you asking for different pieces of evidence and you've yet to actually provide. Get honest.
Bits N Pieces
Member
I feel really out of the loop, I have no clue who Vivian James is. Off to Google, again!
wild wild rice
Member
😂
Some much needed levity. People need to chill with the name calling and personal insults in here.
Hey it seems you have a severe case of ignoritis so I'll repost again:
"Oh so you know what has changed? Please tell me. Choosing to believe a guy who wrote that instead of waiting to jump to the defense of the game before seeing what actually has changed says a lot about you."
I'm still waiting to see the reason that you're so sure this game doesn't propagate mysogyny anymore."
Mine for example.
I think it's not gonna happen, I'm out of here now. I'm probably already on his ignore list by now lmao.
Classic appropriation of what they hate to deflect claims otherwise. Lots of hate groups and stuff do it to hide their true beliefs.
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Then good for him?
The game is not out yet, though. All we have is that story premise from three years ago. A story premise that - despite the creator's insistence that it has changed - was never clarified or updated. Meanwhile and elsewhere, the creator still propagates the same views he had three years ago. Wouldn't you say that it's reasonable to doubt him?
How would you feel if the dev was closeted GG, but MS brought in a writer to re-work the plot so that it becomes a feminist one? Does the success of the game promote the message of the new content, or of the original creator?
I understand not wanting to support views you find abhorrent, but you have to draw a line somewhere, and there's no general consensus on where that line should be. If he says "proceeds for this game go to Milo Yiannopolis's Little Hitler Camp for Boys" I'm out. If he is active in funding anti-feminist organizations, I'm out. If he has a history of sexual abuse and violence towards women, I'm out.
But if he's just a misogyny spouting cock, who just makes games for a living, I'm gonna view the game on its own merits. I honestly can't see how doing that has any demonstrable effect on emboldening dispicable ideologies. Do I need to throw out all my books by misogynists? Do I need to avoid businesses that employ racists?
CannonFodder52
Member
If I recall the other dev who made a few posts on GAF seemed to be on board with Tim's anti-pc message. That poster really quickly vanished once this all surfaced, eh?
the_darkness
Banned
Speak in coherent sentences please. Evidence of what?
The only evidence people have of the game being "about misogyny" is a tweet from 2014 that the creator has since disowned.
Why are his multiple statements regarding the game's content in 2017 less relevant as "evidence" than a 3 year old tweet?
She's their idea of an ideal girl gamer. One that essentially hides the fact they're a girl and puts up with rape jokes.
Yeah if she were in the game, I'm out. That would be just pandering.
Because he's a piece of shit. The fact you put "about misogyny" in quotes is really really telling. Did you really put me on ignore for a simple question? God damn. I wish that function wouldn't exist.
Do you want us to go dog pile him or tell you how big an idiot he is to make you feel good?
Why are you posting your Twitter beefs here.
Yep. They always do a 180 directly after the worst thing they said. It is known.
the_darkness
Banned
Tim Soret in 2014: this is a game set in a dystopia where feminism won.
Response: Concrete evidence. Fuck this game about misogyny and fuck anyone interested in this gamergate propaganda.
Tim Soret in 2017: That was a silly thing to say and the game isn't about that anymore
Response: Yeah but where's the evidence??
The "line" is drawn explicitly at supporting ideologies that will cause negative impactful futures for those involved.
Your arguments of "throwing out books" or "avoiding businesses" are just bait to try to get me to say "No" to any of them so you can justify them.
If you knew a book was misogynist by nature, you would (hopefully) avoid it because it has terrible things in it that you don't want to support. If this is an old book, likely no proceeds are going to the person who wrote it (as they might be dead!).
People that employ racists is a much harder thing to discern, which is something you'll likely engage in without realizing it.
The point is that having the control over what you want to consume and support is the basis of engineering the reality and life you want to see yourself and others have.
Knowing when to use that effectively is a major point of life. You have to act to engender change, and the action here is to stop this game from making too much money to embolden the creator to create more works that espouse his views, which negatively impact people.
AlexFlame116
Member
He's not going into town on you. He's trying hard to act like the mighty know it all chum just because he was once well known for a gaming channel. What a sad person. If he really was passionate about it he would just shut up and buy the game without whining on Twitter.
This dude is trying to go to town on me and straight-up creating a off-topic tangent in the process.
That's so dumb. That's so freaking dumb. They could have easily done something else but instead they chose the one thing that they are actually afraid of. What morons.
AlexFlame116
Member
EDIT: Sorry double posted!
the_darkness
Banned
What the fuck are you talking about the ignore function for? Stop fabricating bullshit.
They literally had to make up a girl that would represent their beliefs because holy shit why would any woman do that
your 'gotcha' posts are terrible
Scrooge McDuck
Member
If you disowned a story premise, the very least I expect as an "evidence" is for you to outline new story premise. He hasn't. That's all there is to it.
If the game looked ugly three years ago, then the creator released multiple statements about how the game is not ugly anymore now without showing any screenshot, would you be inclined to believe him?