I had more issues with the TR implementation, but fully automated would be nicer if it were also flawless, or at least closer to it, yeah.
The Order has soft-cover too, hopefully it's a trend we'll see develop.
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The Last of Us Remastered has gone gold!
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The Order has soft-cover too, hopefully it's a trend we'll see develop.
Carnby
Member
I don't see the point of going into a thread of a game that you are not a fan of, just to argue with people who like the game. You aren't going to change our minds and we are not going to change yours. So what's the point?
Example: I don't like Halo, and I never will. To me it is just another generic FPS. But I have never once posted in a Halo thread. Why would I?
Feel free to search my post history.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
I see your point. But I didn't feel that TLOU was bad in any way, so taking inspiration isn't something I feel negatively about (it could even be a positive because something I'm neutral on is better than something broken or flawed). And in any case, AAA development already seems to be converging into a smaller and smaller box of genres, so the end result might not matter as much as we might predict.
I am not arguing about the quality of the game. I'm just saying, argue about the game, not about how your opponent is delusional or hasn't played it, or whathaveyou. I like reading conversation about games, that's why I'm here. The point of me posting was to call out a shitty argument, that's it.
What?
foxdvd
Member
but what is his point? This thread started because the game has gone gold. The game is considered a masterpiece. I don't think people that love it are going on and on about it in some sort of self deluded hypnotic state that requires people that don't love it to to knock them down. There are a lot of great games that I think are overrated, 2 of them from Naughty Dog themselves. I might drop into a thread about Uncharted 2 that is talking about how amazing the game is to say I felt that at times I was watching the greatest game ever being played but not actually playing it. I might go into a thread that is asking if buying Uncharted 3 is worth it, just to say that that I felt the game was solid but overrated. I would not go into a thread talking about a game going gold to say these things. This thread had some gushing and people just HAD to try to knock the thread down. There happens to be another thread for that argument on the front page.
Both sides of the argument here can be extreme, I get that, but my original point stands. Maybe Neogaf does a better job keeping it in check, but if you want any sort of evidence that people who have not played a game will bash it, just check out user reviews on metacritic, or many other sites. It is amazing how many 1 out of 10 reviews console exclusives get.
Carnby
Member
Really?
If you don't like the game, that's fine. I'm not going to argue. I came here for hype, not an argument.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
I had a quick look through to see if you talk about Halo, and all you seem to talk about is this
so, yeah. Get off his back mccormick!
Carnby
Member
I had a quick look through to see if you talk about Halo, and all you seem to talk about is this
so, yeah. Get off his back mccormick!
LOL!
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
You could just ask me what my point is. And it has nothing to do with TLOU or the quality of TLOU.
My point is: instead of looking at someone's twitter, PSN profile and GAF post history for some insane DectectiveGAF as to why someone feels differently about a game than you, maybe you can just accept their opinion. Just an idea.
That sentence was a supporting argument.
The other sentences in that post are much more important.
So did I. Apparently what I got instead is "people who don't like TLOU haven't played it"
I don't see how that sentence supports the argument.
To dismiss other people's opinion with "you just haven't played it" is shitty, but I don't see how you saying TLoU has average gameplay supports that in any way. That just seems like a separate thing.
Not that I encourage you to prove it, but DetectiveGAF finding a trophy attached to your name that has completed TLoU would be support the argument that someone can have played it and still think it's average.
(Not that it's needed, because Metacritic has reviews and I doubt Polygon would lie about finishing it. ;-))
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
He said he can't understand why people have difficulty accepting an opposing point of view, and you found his point of view to be so abhorrent you went looking to see whether he'd played the game or not. He's already told you he played the game.
I don't agree with his view of the game, and I don't feel any great need to try and convince him of mine, but that's not the point I was making.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
Perhaps so. Let me try to re-write the post so my point comes across. New stuff underlined:
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This is the laziest argument I've read in the thread. "I don't understand how people can come to a different conclusion than me so they must not have even ever played the game." Seriously? Like, you seriously can't wrap your heard around it so you have to come up with alternate motives and potential sources of information?
Look, I'm fairly neutral on TLOU and so I'm fairly neutral on the quality of the game. I played it, so you can't accuse me of not doing so. But this is something I see from every side of the discussion, both for and against: everyone trying to psychoanalyze each other, or some up with explanations. Accusing people of not playing the game is insulting and idiotic. Debate the opinions, and quit accusing people of ignoring the facts because you can't reconcile other people's opinions with your own.
Another perfect example of why these threads turn into trash. Assign ulterior motives instead of actually accepting differing opinions. Can we just talk about TLOU instead of accusing each other and devolving into insanity? That's why I read NeoGAF in the first place, not to listen to personal squabbling.
Well, I know someone that thinks 1080p60 is not the most importing thing about a game.
Yeah, I know. Crazy!
You must cut all ties with this individual immediately, they are a suppressive personality.
Praise be to Xenu.
Why are so many people hot for footage? It's been confirmed for 60fps, Naughty Dog is a premier developer for graphics, and everything one would need to know about gameplay is available to sample in the PS3 version. I could not see a single video and still feel confident in putting down my $50.
I think it's fine to wait for footage.
Why someone is hot for footage created by the marketing arm of the company trying to sell you the product instead of waiting for independent third parties is what I find very strange.
If you want hype, you want the former. If you want to be informed, you wait for the latter. Isn't this how it's always been?
I'm totally fine with people waiting for footage, it's just the people acting upset as if they are being forced to buy the game immediately instead of waiting for the footage that will decide what the game is worth to them confuse me. If you need footage to decide, you probably don't care all that much about getting it day 1.
MoonsaultSlayer
Member
Of course. I loved making stories with my action figures as a kid AND launching them competitively with others to see whose landed furthest/funniest/the best etc. I'm just saying that there's room for and a market for cinematic games as well as gameplaymatic games.
This coming from someone who views No Man's Sky as his dream game, mind you.
3rdamention
Member
Well, Cyborg, for one is not convinced. He is going to his NEOGAF grave saying this game will NOT be 60fps, even after devs have responded constantly that it is, in both MP and SP. So maybe he has gotten into people's heads, so they still need proof.
But, I have noticed he has been avoiding most TLOU threads now, so maybe he is trying to distance himself from his comments. (well, except for once in this thread, where he is still questioning the upgrades).
If gaming has taught us anything is to never take game developers/companies/publishers' word at face value. This is a remaster with a significant performance increase and it's only natural for many to expect footage showing exactly that.
Personally, I couldn't care less about it, but I can understand those eager for some footage.
Or that.
shinobi602
Member
Exactly.
jediyoshi
Member
Still doesn't follow to that degree as footage they release would be held up to the exact same skepticism for the end product. Maybe they've realized that by now.
Cthulhu_Steev
Member
Well then I agree with you, I thought you were choosing one over the other!
And yes, No Man's Sky = wub.
theshape31
Member
So when the game actually does go gold, what will that thread be called?
So when the game actually does go gold, what will that thread be called?
The Last of Us Remastered has gone platinum!
Left Behind and the maps are included. Cosmetic MP DLC is not but if you have it on PS3 it'll carry over.
So the dlc content are all mp? No sp dlc?
GavinUK86
Member
Games usually go gold after all that. AFAIK.
The SP DLC is the Left Behind one. Prequel with Ellie.
Thanks for the quick response. That is more in line with what I expected, but I doubt this game will have any glaring technical problems while going through its final QA so this announcement is fine.
I think there will be.
Would they really lock advertised content away like that? Like if someone sees the DLC on the box and then gets home but they don't have internet to download it because they live away from the city.
WrenchNinja
Member
Lord of Castamere
Member
The game went into Q/A almost 4 weeks in advance of launch. I guarantee there will be a Day 1 patch.
Neff
Member
Yeah, I went through this already. Enjoying shallow gameplay isn't a bad thing. Developers making games with shallow gameplay isn't a bad thing, so long as their heart is in it. Developers making games with shallow gameplay while obviously pouring far more effort into bloated, portentous narrative, dramatic direction and performance, while the press falls over itself to praise such an approach, isn't necessarily a future I think gaming should follow. I'm in love with game mechanics and new ways of integrating them and building upon them. TLoU obviously didn't do that. It's a half-baked amalgam of other people's games (including ND's) with dudes swapping cool dialogue and celluloid homage. It bored the crap out of me, both when I was playing it, and when I wasn't.
Like I said, I have preferences, just like everybody we share this planet with does. And that's all they are. If that sounds like a 'high horse' outlook to you, then your issue is you, not me, because you really shouldn't give a damn.
Mashin Haters
Member
Naughty Dog don't release footage so that the internet won't bitch about it.
Holy crap
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
He does that in every thread, just ignore it.
TheBioLover
Member
What on earth.
Trigonometrize.
Member
So when the game actually does go gold, what will that thread be called?
The Last of Us Remastered has Gone Home!
That seems like a pretty petty hope.