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The 'nigger' word myth - white people actually don't want to say it
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It doesn't matter who created it, it matter who is perpetuating it now. When you say 'you can't say this word because of your skin color' you are creating or maintaining divisions. You didn't answer my question so I will ask again. Do you believe that this kind of Us vs Them mentality will end or prolong racism?
Your argument is entirely without merit. I am a little annoyed that I have to spell it out for you.
Black people taking back the n-word from white people and denying them its use is not a feature of white supremacy; this is not how white supremacy is perpetuated. The word depends on white supremacy but I'm certain that black people would end racism to neutralize it's power.
Kadayi
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It would only be without merit if you'd produced a cogent counter-argument. Petulance doesn't cut it I'm afraid. Now try again, this time with reason.
As I said the majority of the country was not alive when those were events happened.
Makariel
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I hold as evident that treating some words as special gives them more power, while everyday use takes power away from them. The worst that can happen to someone trying to offend you is that you don't give a shit about the word they think can hurt you, or stop you in your tracks. In other words: stop crying and grow a thicker skin. I've been called many things in my life, the day I let any of it get to me is the day I've lost.
Kadayi
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I for one love it that many peoples overall worldview is run solely through the filter of the US civil rights movement as if this represented some universal benchmark, whereas, in reality, it was more a case of the US catching up with the rest of the developed world in terms of social progress.
Children are not born and raised without being given the knowledge of their parents/family. They learn about the world through their parents, friends, schools, and community. How is this concept in any way difficult to parse?
It isn't. Doesn't mean that those children are oppressed or in a system of racism.
Black people have lived in a system of white supremacy since before the birth of the nation. This is a fact.
The system ended with the Civil Rights Act. Also fact.
This is absurd and a productive conversation can't be had if you ignore reality.
Panda1
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Why cant white people also do they same as a collective take the word back too from negativity to positively?
If they're willing to do that, why not just end white supremacy all together?
Please inform me on this white supremacy system you speak of?
I would love to hear you explain how redlining and housing discrimination only affected a single generation of people and has had no effect on people since the Fair Housing act was passed.
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Have those never affected white people?
That wasn't my question.
This shit is so annoying because some white people pretend like they are too dumb to understand the simple logic behind this issue:
1. White people “created” and used this word in their everyday practices of racism to dehumanize black people.
2. The reverse of point 1 is not and has never been true.
3. As such, white people should not use the word. Furthermore, because black people were the victims (not white people), they get to decide how to redefine the word. Some black people avoid it; many have recontextualized it into nigga.
The logic here is pretty straightforward. It’s not “racist” that white people cant use it because the power dynamics make it impossible. That is, white people are in no way rendered inferior by their inability to use the word.
The same is true for “faggot.” I don’t use the word, but I don’t give a fuck that some gay people call themselves faggots. I’m not gay, so it is literally none of my business.
HOW are some white people still struggling with this? Are you that dense?
1. White people “created” and used this word in their everyday practices of racism to dehumanize black people.
2. The reverse of point 1 is not and has never been true.
3. As such, white people should not use the word. Furthermore, because black people were the victims (not white people), they get to decide how to redefine the word. Some black people avoid it; many have recontextualized it into nigga.
The logic here is pretty straightforward. It’s not “racist” that white people cant use it because the power dynamics make it impossible. That is, white people are in no way rendered inferior by their inability to use the word.
The same is true for “faggot.” I don’t use the word, but I don’t give a fuck that some gay people call themselves faggots. I’m not gay, so it is literally none of my business.
HOW are some white people still struggling with this? Are you that dense?
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If the system was oppressing and racist against minorities then whites wouldn't have been affected by those.
some people that "struggle" with it are not white and are against segregation in any way.
Do you know what redlining even is? I feel like there's a disconnect here, and this conversation can't go much further unless you know.
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Are you black? If yes, you may. If no, you may not. Why? Because the word was used to dehumanize black people. It’s a double standard, but so to was the use of the word against blacks. Get over it.
Yes, its not approving loans for areas that are in poor risky areas.
So you are ok with segregation, if black people decide its ok?
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It’s not segregation. It’s. A. Fucking. Word.
Jesus Christ.
No one is going to keep you out of a nice neighborhood or refuse to give you a mortgage because you didn’t say nigger or nigga.
This is a stupid argument.
No I am asking you to prove your claim.
Well, yeah, if by the bolded you mean 'neighborhoods where black people live', yes, because that's how the racist FHA treated it.
Please, for the love of fuck, educate yourself, and then come back and let us know how redlining has had no adverse effects on the generations of people/kids that have grown up displaced by it.
http://www.chicagonow.com/city-limi...aved-the-way-for-chicagos-segregated-poverty/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-modern-day-redlining-20180215-story.html
Segregation is setting something apart. Setting apart words for only one group is segregation.
Kadayi
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Maybe if people let the word die on the vine we could move past this whole black people/white people thing and just go with people instead, versus staying tied to history.
Well, I set my laundry apart every weekend so you better call the ACLU I guess.
Maybe. That’s what I believe too actually.
It still doesn’t mean white people can use it.
are your clothes humans?
Kadayi
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Was there an argument for in any of what I said?
No but the people saying the words are.
No. That was really not directed at you; just more of a general comment for the thread so my bad.
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But humans set laundry apart though (hopefully you’re picking up on how absurd it is to claim that something is segregation in the absence of power dynamics; if not, I can keep going).
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People are being set apart not the words. People are being set apart in 2 groups 1 that can say the word and one that can't.
And how does that in and of itself render those who can’t say it inferior?
Sooooo strange how this question never got answered.
The ones that can't say the word, are inferior in their ability to use the language.
I asked did it only affect minorities.
Yes.
So no white people were denied loans due to redlining?
A language that was designed by the ones that can’t say it to hurt the ones that can. If the word was never used to hurt, we wouldn’t have this problem. That is the power dynamic. Those that can say it have everything to loose. Does that can’t have nothing to loose.
It’s like a get a big stick to beat the shit out of you, and you finally take the stick away from me and turn it into a walking stick and I start complaining “bu segegashun!!!” because I can’t have that particular stick back.
So you are ok with the language segregation, got it.
Lol what a stupid way to end a stupid argument
Unless they were Jewish, then overwhelmingly no.
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