The hypocrisy of white evangelical voters is fairly well documented at this point.
...Like I said, they don't care if they're wrong.They have to assume it's wrong or inaccurate first. It doesn't matter how accessible data is if you think you already are informed
They do verify it. The news they use verifies their perspectives...Like I said, they don't care if they're wrong.
If you think you're right and don't care to verify that, you're being willfully ignorant.
That's not looking for information, that's looking for affirmation.They do verify it. The news they use verifies their perspectives
Trust me, I've tried this with my dad. I asked him if he would even read articles from New York Times and WaPo, and he wouldn't because they only lie
How does he know they lie? Because anyone can see what's going on in the world and know that what those news sites write don't reflect reality
Yes, it's willful ignorance but it's not ignorance from not caring to seek out information. They do seek out information and news. But the news they seek out tells them that any other news source is biased, has an agenda, is lying, and reinforces that they are informed and intelligent
They don't tell them to stop looking.That's not looking for information, that's looking for affirmation.
If the first spot you look tells you to stop looking and you stop looking, how much do you actually care?
I'm not saying they have write dissertations on all these issues, but checking Fox/Breitbart and calling it good doesn't really qualify as effort IMO.
In all my years attending sola scriptura Evangelical and Baptist churches, no, they don't really talk about most of the history of the church. They only preach about events that happen in the Bible and modern day applications. But they do talk about how it's so hard to be a Christian, walking the narrow path, vigilantly watching out for attacks from Satan, and how the apostles led hard lives for their faith and you should be prepared to sacrifice everything as well. So they're ripe pickings for opportunistic talk radio hosts to jump and and reassure them that they're right, that there is a Satanic war on Christianity and it's happening right now.What? Have they not studied the history of western Christainity? I can't believe this. How the hell are sermons actually going to help them? They aren't learning anything, it seems like the US churches are just a place to go and feel good for a couple of hours. You don't learn history, you don't learn real personal responsibility?
None of what you said means they aren't misinformed.They are not misinformed. The data debunking that is all out there and easily accessible. They chose to not look or outright did not care.
Their single issue? Brown people of course.Single issue voters are the fucking worst.
That's fine if that qualifies as effort for them. It doesn't for me.They don't tell them to stop looking.
They tell them what those other news sources are say and then proceed to provide studies and stories and other news sources that prove that those biased news stories are wrong and have an agenda and don't have their best interest in mind.
You say checking Fox/Breitbart and calling it good doesn't really qualify as effort. But it does, to them. It's good to them because those are legitimate news sources with the sources and studies and history and experts to back up their points.
What is the functional difference between being misinformed and not bothering to seek out the truth?None of what you said means they aren't misinformed.
Their single issue? Brown people of course.
What is the functional difference between being misinformed and not bothering to seek out the truth?
Of course it doesn't because you and I and others know those sites spin and lie and misrepresent.That's fine if that qualifies as effort for them. It doesn't for me.
What is the functional difference between being misinformed and not bothering to seek out the truth?
Willfulness
Of course it doesn't because you and I and others know those sites spin and lie and misrepresent.
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First, you have to think you're misinformed to seek out the truth. For me, that moment came after watching the live streams of the Ferguson protests and then seeing them called riots on Fox the next day
I'm shocked. Shocked!
Why do we excuse so many of these white people's actions and say things like oh they're just not educated. Why don't they take a little personal responsibility and just admit they're racist, sexist, and are afraid of losing their feelings or status of superiority that they get from being the majority?
Those aren't inherent aspects of humanity, but things taught and reinforcedWhy do we excuse so many of these white people's actions and say things like oh they're just not educated. Why don't they take a little personal responsibility and just admit they're racist, sexist, and are afraid of losing their feelings or status of superiority that they get from being the majority?
I'm seriously so tired of seeing article after article where people try to tell us "why did Trump's base vote they way they were, it's not because they're all sexist racist idiots." They ARE. They can have reasons for being so, but ultimately they ARE.
I know this guy who, though he didn't vote, would have voted for Trump. He believes that it's likely Trump could destroy the economy, start a war, even start a world war or nuclear war, but that we're safer with Trump because God would protect Christians under Trump, whereas Hillary is pro-choice so our souls would be at risk, and believes every Christian should be that.
Coincidentally he's the biggest fucking dumbass I've ever known by a huge fucking margin.
He also teaches (in Florida). Ugh.
Figuring out why and how is a waste of time if you aren't going to change it.Those aren't inherent aspects of humanity, but things taught and reinforced
They are that way. Talking about why isn't excusing that.
But they weren't always. Yes, it's because of racism and sexism and all those things. But to not say why and how means they're just doomed to happen again and again,
Why do we excuse so many of these white people's actions and say things like oh they're just not educated. Why don't they take a little personal responsibility and just admit they're racist, sexist, and are afraid of losing their feelings or status of superiority that they get from being the majority?
I'm seriously so tired of seeing article after article where people try to tell us "why did Trump's base vote they way they were, it's not because they're all sexist racist idiots." They ARE. They can have reasons for being so, but ultimately they ARE.
Besides, it's not just white people. I do know minorities who voted for Donald. And guess what, they're also racist and sexist. Just because they have degrees from upper education and they have good jobs doesn't make them not sexist or racist. You can't always change someone's mind, because sexism and racism are rooted in feelings of superiority, and good fucking luck solving human ego.
Figuring how and why is never a waste of time. It always helps to be more informed and knowledgeableFiguring out why and how is a waste of time if you aren't going to change it.
In general, yes. In this case, we already know - there are a lot of shitty people out there. That's never going to change.Figuring how and why is never a waste of time. It always helps to be more informed and knowledgavle
Fuck off with attack on religion. There are religious societies all over the world that don't do this shit
In general, yes. In this case, we already know - there are a lot of shitty people out there. That's never going to change.
It is never that simple. If you go "well people are shitty. Ain't never changing", then it won't and never willIn general, yes. In this case, we already know - there are a lot of shitty people out there. That's never going to change.
I'm shocked. Shocked!
Hypocrisy isn't the word
You can change the number of shitty people. You don't have to entirely fix a problem to make progress (see gun control).
It is never that simple. If you go "well people are shitty. Ain't never changing", then it won't and never will
We can make progress without them. Get the Busters, the third party voters, and the "both sides" morons back in the boat and run an actual campaign in key states and the Dems will have no issues winning the presidency again.
They won't leave fantasy land unless they are compelled to. Need to win elections to do that. Wasting time on lost causes doesn't help win elections.We can and should win without them. I would rather not have 20 percent of Americans living in fantasy land.
They cause harm. Not only on national level but locally as well.
They won't leave fantasy land unless they are compelled to. Need to win elections to do that. Wasting time on lost causes doesn't help win elections.
I love the implicit assumptions made by many that
a)misinformed voters don't vote for democrats
and
b)democrat voters are all super informed about the issues
The fact is that there are more than enough misinformed voters on both sides and you're kidding yourself if you think that all or close to all of these voters are republican.
lol what the fuck
i.. genuinely do not understand some Americans.
"Both sides"I love the implicit assumptions made by many that
a)misinformed voters don't vote for democrats
and
b)democrat voters are all super informed about the issues
The fact is that there are more than enough misinformed voters on both sides and you're kidding yourself if you think that all or close to all of these voters are republican.
I honestly think a majority of trump supporters are just stupid people. Plain and simple. Not intelligent rational human beings. Not empathic. Only caring about themselves.
Trump won because Hillary ran a bad, lazy campaign with no real message.