For a AAA game, an 8 is about average. The only way to see 6s and 7s as "decent" scores, is to completely ignore the relation of the scores to other similarly produced games.
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Thief | Review thread
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For a AAA game, an 8 is about average. The only way to see 6s and 7s as "decent" scores, is to completely ignore the relation of the scores to other similarly produced games.
i dunno, getting 6's - 8's seems pretty devisive to me.
Chubzdoomer
Banned
If you like playing the same game rather than something brand new, sure.
Generally speaking I'd rather spend my time with replaying a good game rather than playing a bad game for the first time.
SEGAvangelist
Member
The average for AAA games seems to be dropping fairly quickly, and I can see it getting closer to 7 over the next year or so. More publications seem to be giving lower scores in order to establish some sense of credibility (Polygon and Rev3 for example). I think this is good since it means a larger range of the 10 point scale can now be used. Some decent games will get caught in this transition, though, and I think we can see this in the recent console launch review scores.
Sounds about right.
Game review scores for PC sites should switch to a "Steam Scale." aka "How Much This Game is Worth on Steam." lol
hypostatic
Member
Sort of expected this. Will wait for it to hit $30 this fall.
twisteddeeds
Member
This..
There have been plenty of 6 - 8 rated games over the years that I have thoroughly enjoyed, looking forward to getting it this week i'm in day one...
There have been plenty of 6 - 8 rated games over the years that I have thoroughly enjoyed, looking forward to getting it this week i'm in day one...
Miles Quaritch
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Fantastic review, EatChildren. (also subbed to the channel so I don't miss any other reviews)
Anyway, it pretty much confirmed my feelings about the game after watching it on Livesteam on PS4.
Disappointing to hear about the story and the fact that enemy encounters have lost their tension as well as items not feeling necessary. That part at 6.50 where the guard is walking towards Garrett, he should be able to see him clearly and yet...nothing.
Jesus Christ....
Pretty tempted to cancel my pre-order and pick it up sub £20...
Oh, and hodge-podge. This isn't used anywhere near enough. Jolly good to hear it used.
Anyway, it pretty much confirmed my feelings about the game after watching it on Livesteam on PS4.
Disappointing to hear about the story and the fact that enemy encounters have lost their tension as well as items not feeling necessary. That part at 6.50 where the guard is walking towards Garrett, he should be able to see him clearly and yet...nothing.
Jesus Christ....
Pretty tempted to cancel my pre-order and pick it up sub £20...
Oh, and hodge-podge. This isn't used anywhere near enough. Jolly good to hear it used.
jim2point0
Banned
LOL.
Damn near spit out my water once I saw that. Well done.
These scores are actually higher than I expected.
That's a good point.
How do you know its bad if you haven't played it. Reviews are opinion.. Not fact.
Locke Lamora
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SniperHunter
Banned
I asked cause i cant watch youtube at work
So if I display a row of numbers from 1-10 and ask you to point to the number that would best represent the median... You would pick 8?
Math how does it work?
And lol at AAA games averaging about 8. AAA games Are like all others... All over the damn place. Assuming when you refer to AAA you are basing that on budget
Again: generally speaking.
But in this specific case I would say that I can't be possibly expected to check out every game in this world that reviews poorly. Such is life. Full of choices and compromises.
We know publisher cancel games.
You're basically saying that publishers are completely inept when it comes to game development and have no people in charge that can determine quality so the chance of hitting any review score is equally likely.
Common sense how does it work?
A lot of the reviews from the big publications play like they're using Thief as a scapegoat to gain credibility. It seems like they all got the memo that this wasn't getting positive hype and just threw it under the bus. And that comes from someone expecting the worst, ready to hate the game. But honestly, the reviews just don't make it look any worse than your average AAA schlock. Uneven storyline? What story in a AAA game isn't uneven? Or downright awful?
I mean, this game in no way looks to compare to the original two, but no modern AAA game is really there at this point.
I mean, this game in no way looks to compare to the original two, but no modern AAA game is really there at this point.
What? I'm saying that, in general, game reviewers tend to err towards the highest end of the scale when it comes to games with high production values and high budgets (AAA). Has nothing to do with the median.
zackmorris
Member
No they're not. The lowest score is a 6 which is still average or slightly above average. I don't get why people have this mentality that anything less than an 8 or 9 is bad.
SlasherJPC
Banned
I'm one of the reviewers that tends to focus more on the positive then the negative, and while I still enjoyed it, there is no opinion on the game being rough at moments, the long load times, the confusing layouts, and the typical AI, that's just plain truth. Even I can see it. What won me over was the games atmosphere, missions, and different ways to progress and items to use to your liking.
Fbh
Member
I'm a bit surprised by the low scores.
Still, I've been watching some video reviews and quite honestly the content shown and some of the stuff they say about the game don't sound half bad.
Mabye not good enough for a day 1 purchase but I'll probably get this after a price drop. If it doesn't sell that well I can already see this comming to PS+ in a few months
Still, I've been watching some video reviews and quite honestly the content shown and some of the stuff they say about the game don't sound half bad.
Mabye not good enough for a day 1 purchase but I'll probably get this after a price drop. If it doesn't sell that well I can already see this comming to PS+ in a few months
I'm not disputing that devs and pubs put out games that are knowingly bad all the time
I'm disputing that 8 is average and these scores of 6-8 are considered bad
If this was scoring a 2-3 then we will talk
EatChildren
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Human Revolution got close. Thats thing. Previews werent making the game look awful at every bend.
EatChildren
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I'm open to any questions, too.
SkyTurnsRed
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I have only played II, and that was two months ago, and man... it was awesome. It has aged so well.
Nice avatar by the way.
I really don't think it did. Human Revolution was a fantastic game in the context of a watered down, risk-free industry, but it doesn't hold a candle to the original Thief games. Either way, Thief shouldn't be compared specifically to the developers' previous efforts (which wasn't even the same team) but to the industry as a whole. Obviously I haven't played it, but it's gonna take some straight up bullshit to have a worse story than something like Far Cry 3.
Did Thief get Absolutioned? And what does it mean to get Absolutioned?
securitypigeon
Banned
Yall wanted dem mid-tiers.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
Did you play any of the older Thief games? What elements did you feel that it retained?
This is pure AAA bullshit.
Devilgunman
Member
For me
4-6 = mediocre
7-8 = good
9 = very good
10 = must play
anything below 4 is usually garbage.
Confidence Man
Member
5 and below is a scale of "how bad is it", 6 and up is "how good is it". So a 6 is the least good it can be without being bad. Of course anything 5 or below isn't even worth considering, so 6 - 10 is the only range that matters. So among scores that actually matter, 6 is bad and 8 is average.
My point is that publisher are opting to go ahead with games that are of a certain quality.
You can have an average of 8 because of the inherent bias that publishers exert.
I don't know if that is the actual average but there is nothing mathematically impossible about that due to the selection by risk-averse publishers.
This is pretty important for some people !
Ps If you have played this game on PS4, how about the frame rate ?
SJRB
Gold Member
What did you have for breakfast this morning?
Is there a horror level? if so how does it compare to the horror levels on the previous games?