lifa-cobex
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I don't know about this Phil Fish thing.....
But I do hate Nickelback
But I do hate Nickelback
Yep, some people here have a short memory, like a fish dare I say. Very obnoxious guy, talented but rude. Eh, internet fame...Whatcha gonna do...Also he thinks tweeting "anita sarkeesian is a hero" and bragging about winning an award and telling someone "suck my dick. choke on it" before his game was out are the same in terms of being newsworthy?
Maybe you should watch the video, because it very clearly mentions that he said exactly that.
You're Phil Fish?
I'm Phil Fish.
at 8:46 it says it never happened.
I never saw the roundtable in question but I think the intent was the latter statement (and in the context of the roundtable itself a question of "what do you think of Japanese games these days?" and what the Japanese person seemed to get from it is that they need to work harder) but for people Fishing (hur hur) for a headline it is very easy to strip the statement from its context and like the video said, they are popular articles.he never said 'japanese games suck' he actually said 'you guys need to get with the times'.
How is a subjective opinion demonstrably not true?
Never understood the sympathy for this guy. It's one thing for the internet hate train to come down on you for nothing at all, like the cod guy, and it's another thing to intentionally bring it on yourself and then have multiple breakdowns because you can't handle the negativity. I mean ffs he had andy Warhol as his Twitter avatar...
Sorry, but i'm not going to feel bad for a guy who essentially stuck his dick in a beehive to get attention and then cried because he got stung.
What the hell? There's literally a video of him saying it to the guy's face out there.at 8:46 it says it never happened.
but even if it did, it isn't the point of the video, so I'm going to drop it. It is about why people hate and look for reasons to hate someone they do not know.
isn't the point of the video
lolwatIt is about why people hate
Cool. Watch the whole video though. You keep replying but refuse to just watch the entire video.
It mentions it more than once actually. And that entire video of the round table was up on youtube for months.
Because anonymity and because it gets the desired reaction from the target.That is all well and good. The question remains why some people feel the need to hate and exact vengeance for perceived wrongs, and then judge a person they do not know as an asshole and worthless. Headline 'fish says japanese games suck' reactions 'go kill yourself'. headline 'sarkesian makes vid about women in videogames' reaction 'i'm going to rape your ass'. why?
What the hell? There's literally a video of him saying it to the guy's face out there.
lolwat
Fish's reaction to that question was a pretty good indicator of why people don't like him, it's ridiculous to dismiss it.
Would the real Phil Fish please stand up?
One randomly tells thousands of people to choke on his dick after questionably winning an award, then has a breakdown because people react just as childishly back at him.
Guy acts shitty to everyone, people treat him like shit. Not rocket science.
Kamiya > Phil Fish.
Kamiya > Phil Fish.
Actually, he told one guy to suck his dick after the guy insulted him out of nowhere.
Internet anonymity naturally lends itself to some people being able to vent out their (probably) completely unrelated frustrations on targets who probably have little to no connection to themselves and hence don't have to fear any sort of repercussion of any kind. Not justifying it, just explaining what I think the most natural mentality behind that beahvior is.That is all well and good. The question remains why some people feel the need to hate and exact vengeance for perceived wrongs, and then judge a person they do not know as an asshole and worthless. Headline 'fish says japanese games suck' reactions 'go kill yourself'. headline 'sarkesian makes vid about women in videogames' reaction 'i'm going to rape your ass'. why?
I don't care about fish or what he said except insofar as it illuminates how the internet hate train works, which is the subject of the video.
Whether Fish believe Japanese games suck doesn't matter. It is the reaction to a headline that says 'Fish says Jpn games suck' that is the interesting part.
Japan warriors strike again. Blocked. RT @ponpo Kamiya > Phil Fish.
interesting comparison, actually. nobody gives a shit when kamiya tells people to fuck off or talks shit about nintendo for changing bayo's boxart or blocks people for asking him which western games inspired him.
He comes off looking sooooooooo bad. And actually, I think he ended up quitting the industry not long after that was openly viewable on youtube (when indie game the movie was out on dvd, amazingly this was one of the bonus deleted scenes). I think most copies of it were taken off youtube as copyright infringement.If anyone can dig up that gdc talk, I'd like to hear the discussion of jpn games for myself.
The part where the narrator tells us the Phil Fish hater has invested too much hate and must commit to the hate encapsulates what's wrong with so many people. Especially online where the barrier of anonymity allows us much more freedom to be selective about our responses and what we allow ourselves to pay attention to.
Hell, I've been guilty of it before: I've committed myself to an opinion so much that, despite being offered logical counterpoints that I know are valid with a little voice in the corner of my brain shouting "pay attention you idiot", I've ignored and let my ego push my argument forward like it's the only truth.
Individually this isn't so much a problem, as eventually you will be alone and you will have the opportunity to consider what happened and realise how close minded you've been.
Online, with the re-enforcement given by other anonymous users who over-commit themselves to an idea, it's much easier to fall in line with the herd and find a sense of purpose with your new found brothers and sisters in arms than it is to self-reflect and consider things past the emotional or knee-jerk. And as we spend more and more time online, the alone time necessary for reflection grows less.
You see it all the time on Gaf, people put forward arguments, another person offers a well thought out counterpoint(s), and the original user ignores the salient stuff and chooses what they want to respond to to make their original point seem as secure as possible.
This isn't a new thing in terms of social interaction, but the internet makes it much more prevalent, especially when that opinion becomes popular.
You can't look at why people react the way they did, yet say you don't care about what Fish said. People reacted to Fish because they thought he was acting like an arse. You need to understand what it was he said before you can evaluate whether the reaction to those comments was too strong or not.
The reaction to Fish saying Japanese games suck was, for the most part, people vehemently disagreeing with him and saying Japan still makes great games. I don't see what's more disagreeable about that side of the equation, as opposed to the original statement he made dismissing an entire country.
When games like Dark Souls, Bayonetta, Mario Galaxy, Monster Hunter, SMT IV, Vanquish, Dragon's Dogma, FXIV ARR and more all come out and garner considerable critical acclaim. When the biggest gameplay developments last generation in platormers, action games, RPGs and third-person shooters were spear headed by Japanese developers. Could you put a list similar to the above comprised solely of UK games? Or games from France?
Never understood the sympathy for this guy. It's one thing for the internet hate train to come down on you for nothing at all, like the cod guy, and it's another thing to intentionally bring it on yourself and then have multiple breakdowns because you can't handle the negativity. I mean ffs he had andy Warhol as his Twitter avatar...
Sorry, but i'm not going to feel bad for a guy who essentially stuck his dick in a beehive to get attention and then cried because he got stung.
. It was a stupid comment to make, and clearly untrue when you look at just how many Japanese games recently have come out and garnered huge acclaim.
Did anyone actually here what he said though? or did they just read a 5 word headline?
I think that is what the youtube guy was getting at with the 'japanese games suck' comment and the gdc talk segment. It was that Fish's actual take on Jpn games was deeper and more nuanced, as the back and forth between him and blow demonstrated.
But that isn't what people want to read and wont get the sites pageviews. Hence the simple headline and the gamerhate that followed. People only cared about what he said insofar as it confirmed their belief that 'Phil Fish is an Asshole' so they could go on hating him.
Moreover, Fish never had any power in gaming over anything, so why did people care so much and deeply over what they thought he said?
I saw the entire thing, and wrote out a detailed response of exactly why I think it has racist elements in his reaction and view of gaming (and as a reaction to an Edge article similar to this video in the OP here). I wrote it out in a blog post that had the whole GDC video embedded in it so people could watch it for themselves, and then the video was taken off youtube a couple days later (not because of me or anything, but that video did not last long at all on youtube. It was so damning that it was very quickly taken down.).Did anyone actually here what he said though? or did they just read a 5 word headline?
Gotta love how you pull the old tired tactic of attaching all the most extreme and vitriolic comments to the majority, despite them demonstrably being attributed to a minority of keyboard warriors. I never ceased to be amazed at how people seem to get away with bullshit argument tactics like this in a bid to dismiss legitimate criticism.That is all well and good. The question remains why some people feel the need to hate and exact vengeance for perceived wrongs, and then judge a person they do not know as an asshole and worthless. Headline 'fish says japanese games suck' reactions 'go kill yourself'. headline 'sarkesian makes vid about women in videogames' reaction 'i'm going to rape your ass'. why?
Well, I suppose if you ignore all the things Fish said to make people strongly dislike him, then it probably is easy to pretend the "internet hate machine" is completely irrational and mis-guided in its distaste of Fish.I don't care about fish or what he said except insofar as it illuminates how the internet hate train works, which is the subject of the video.
The reaction to such an ignorant, uninformed and flat-out stupid comment was the result of it being such an ignorant, misinformed and flat-out stupid comment. When you consider the context in which the comment was said (complete with uproarious laughter from Fish's fellow peers that rival 4chan in terms of sheer vitriolic condescension), and I think people were quite justified in telling Fish to go fuck himself.Whether Fish believe Japanese games suck doesn't matter. It is the reaction to a headline that says 'Fish says Jpn games suck' that is the interesting part.
Critical acclaim doesn't mean much. Hell, the AC franchise is universally loved by critics. It's still boring as shit game design with terrible narrative. His point is still valid, he doesn't like Japanese games.
Note: I'm not agreeing with Fish, I love many Japanese games, I'm just pointing out that you said something pretty pointless.
then the video was taken off youtube a couple days later (not because of me or anything, but that video did not last long at all on youtube. It was so damning that it was very quickly taken down.).
Didn't understand the random last point about Fez being his third indie game, either.