Yes but nintendo managed to do so with wii fit and wii sports. Lets see if they fail pr not before claiming wiiu is dreamcast
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Tiger Woods 14 not likely for Wii U
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Yes but nintendo managed to do so with wii fit and wii sports. Lets see if they fail pr not before claiming wiiu is dreamcast
Ravensmash
Member
They'd lack the licenses though, which is a huge selling point for EA Sports games.
PES isn't a bad game at all, but I know many people who ignore it simply because it's not as decked out as the EA editions (not that FIFA is a bad game on it's own by any means).
I didnt think about the license.
What does this even mean? Pretty sure the Wii U can do that. Just slap a Miiverse community together and point 2 is addressed instantly.
You need to work on your Reggie impersonation. He will give an answer while missing out important details.
R: "I disagree. Is Nintendo going to have games in the future? Absolutely"
Of course this doesn't imply anything about the Wii U or third parities.
Wii sports or the mario games are huge sellers. Kinda moots your point
are you okay, mang?
Throwaway123456789
Member
How would the controller be scratched more from a non-wood flooring? (also, it's got a matte back)
Nintendo Need first developer like forza team + EA sport team + Uncharted Team + Gears team.
And should release their Childish game thinking little bit.
They should equals their Game 20% Mature 20% Sport 20% Childish not only so many childish.
Really love nintendo but I need more mature game.
If PS4 doesn't have BC I'm tempted to get a PS3 instead and catch up with the last gen.
Only for games that are old. Games being released on the same day as each other would have a market.
There are people out there without a Wiimote?
prag16
Banned
I know it's a lot of accessories... but come on. What golf game fan wouldn't want to try a setup where the game is on the TV, the ball's lie is on the gamepad on the floor, you stand on the balance board, and you swing with the wii motion plus?? xD
The problem is that the question is too general. The journalist needs to do research ahead of time, and ask a specific series of yes/no questions. "Madden right now is not releasing on the Wii U and 3DS. Have you discussed this with EA? Have you offered lower licensing fees to get the games back on Nintendo platforms? Sharing porting expenses? Sharing marketing expenses? Sega's release of the Dreamcast was widely seen as negatively impacted when EA skipped the Dreamcast. What is Nintendo's plan to get EA back on the system, specifically?" And follow up, and follow up, and follow up.
Right now, the standard question is more like, "Where are the third parties Reggie?" and the answer is "Exciting stuff coming! I love the hard corez gamers, I love GTA and footballs, Nintendo's really really trying!" "Cool, next question, where's 3d Mario?"
If this behaviour from third party publishers keeps up Nintendo might need a lot more than a sports division.
Do think this is something other than a business decision based on sales etc?
My thoughts exactly.
I'm really pissed if TW is not coming, I spent so many beer-filled hours on TW Wii even though I've never played real golf, and it was one of the reasons I got WiiU. Well maybe they get Move working as good as Wiimote+. It's 50 for Move and 50 for the game though.
So a german nintendo site says TW14 is not comming because the dev kits were too late and TW14 was planned one year ago. They claim TW 15 is comming
They refer to neogaf and the banned nintendo blog though.. So grain of salt
I dont agree this notion
Nintendo and the rest have divided the market as follows
Kids and casuals = nintendo
15-35 male = sony, ms
If nintendo intends to get their wiiu sales up they need to play to their market first. Once their market has transitioned to wiiu they may think about the dudebro crowd
They refer to neogaf and the banned nintendo blog though.. So grain of salt
I dont agree this notion
Nintendo and the rest have divided the market as follows
Kids and casuals = nintendo
15-35 male = sony, ms
If nintendo intends to get their wiiu sales up they need to play to their market first. Once their market has transitioned to wiiu they may think about the dudebro crowd
Refreshment.01
Member
That audience in America and maybe Europe is having a blast with Tablets and smartphones, that ship set sale some years ago.
Do you seriously expect a 1:1 Wii to Wii U ownership? The Wii Remote population is divided between normal ones and M+ capable, so it would benefit the Wii remote user base anyway packing the console with another Wii remote+. More over, to play local asimmetric games, one of the Wii U most advertised features, the user needed a peripheral that it may not possess. That's was not a good desicion on Nintendo's part for the consumer. Plus developers would have benefited for knowing that every Wii U user would have a Wii remote in there.
Fox Mulder
Member
then why did they include a sensor bar?
The best-selling Mario Golf in the U.S. sold slightly better than then best-selling Tiger Woods on Wii. However there are three Tiger Woods on Wii that sold better than the second-best selling Mario Golf in the U.S. Mario Golf may potentially sell more than a single Tiger Woods, but the annualization of the series makes it a bigger seller as a franchise. It's the same concept with how Mario Kart may have sold more than a single Call of Duty, but Call of Duty puts up those less-than-Mario-Kart numbers every year.
Don't minimize lack of support. It's overall industry support that helps keep a platform viable. Don't go the other way and make a mountain of one game, but don't try to minimize each single passed on game, since the singles can really add up.
With your argumentation nobody should try to venture or achieve anything as the established companies will always win anyways.
If nintendo gets a good userbase do you really think EA will maintain the current position?
Eh. Not really compared to the other console versions.
Yeah, but it started off from much, much higher than the other console versions, too.
They did with Wii. Don't put anything past them.
Seems like it, yeah.
It's from Arkham in this thread.
shinra-bansho
Member
The argument that it didn't sell that well as:
"People didn't buy it on the Wii U because already bought it a year ago on their PS3/360"
can easily be turned into:
"People will just buy it on their PS3/360, if we don't have a Wii U version."
I don't think current software sales of games released on the same day would indicate it's substantial or valuable enough to care right now for EA anyway.
They may not "outright bomb" but they may not have as stellar sales as you're implying they will simply because of their pedigree. They also may not have the intended effect of driving HW as much as one would hope.
Take two recent examples, just using Japanese figures as they're more documented:
and
Brain Age:
Red = Brain Age
Blue = Brain Age 2
Green = Brain Age 3DS
The latter grew substantially from iteration to iteration on the NDS, but neither transitioned that audience to the 3DS very well. And neither did a great job at driving HW, like their predecessors did.
They did with Wii. Don't put anything past them.
Well they did release tiger and were succesful with it. I doubt the wii tiger users are going to jump to 360/ps3 versions magically
The argument that it didn't sell that well as:
"People didn't buy it on the Wii U because already bought it a year ago on their PS3/360"
can easily be turned into:
"People will just buy it on their PS3/360, if we don't have a Wii U version."
I don't think current software sales of games released on the same day would indicate it's substantial or valuable enough to care right now for EA anyway.
They may not "outright bomb" but they may not have as stellar sales as you're implying they will simply because of their pedigree. They also may not have the intended effect of driving HW as much as one would hope.
Take two recent examples, just using Japanese figures as they're more documented:
and
Brain Age:
Red = Brain Age
Blue = Brain Age 2
Green = Brain Age 3DS
The latter grew substantially from iteration to iteration on the NDS, but neither transitioned that audience to the 3DS very well. And neither did a great job at driving HW.
I could show you an animal crossing chart and say the very opposite. Obviously they did not do well with nintendogs out of the gate. Same with brain age. Marketing was also bad for both titles. We will see if they make the same mistake with wii fit U. If they do they are pretty fucked.
shinra-bansho
Member
If you think the Wii U will be in the same position the 3DS was at the time of Animal Crossing's release then maybe you could.
Wii Fit U is still slated for "Spring/Summer" 2013 afaik. So I highly doubt that will be the case.
Just as Brain Age and Nintendogs were for the early 3DS?
Im not saying wii fit u will outsell wii fit plus. Im saying wii fit u and wii party u will be substantial systemsellers to the casual crowd.
Refreshment.01
Member
By no means close to what i was getting at. You misinterpreted my post Farham, talking about the Wii U as a product not that Nintendo can't have that audience back with something more interesting. The Wii U by most is asociated (fairly or not) as Nintendo answer to tablets, thing is... that market was already perfectly covered by a many companies a lot earlier and with a wider spectrum of options. How Nintendo did not see this is beyond my comprehension. Then they castrate the device for other markets and third party interest by making it too close to cuarrent gen capabilities.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Shame
Let me preface this by saying that I'm honestly not trying to to make this sound like a dig at the GamePad here, but what is the advantage of this setup? Does the GamePad offer unique accuracy tracking being on the floor as you swing the Wiimote at it? Because in my mind, it just seems rather unnecessary and pointless if it's nothing more than a visual aid for something to swing at.
Now you are just repeating arguments
Wii fit u and wii party u may sell well and it also may bomb hard.. Or maybe it will do something in the middle of the extremes.. We will see in a few month
Yes nintendo makes baffling decisions. Thats because they are always trying to set trends not follow them. Saying the wiiu is just a tablet device is also wrong. A tablet is a standalone device while the wiius gamepad has to be used in proximity of the main device. That of course comes with advantages and disadvantages. But its definately not a me too device. We will see if they can realize the potential of that set up or if they will fall flat.
Steve Youngblood
Member
I don't know. This strikes me as something that sounds much cooler on paper than it does in practice. In theory, you're getting into the realm of the most realistic simulation possible in gaming. In practice, you're still missing the most critical part of the actual game of golf: swinging a real club at a real ball.
And what's with males that are 36+? Are those automatically casuals? And what about females? Every female is casual?
And what about people owning more than one console? What if for example I had two and even prefered Wii last gen, although I own lots of games. I guess I'm casual then lolz.
Zoramon089
Banned
Well in actual golf you're suppose to be looking at the ball when you swing...
I would imagine in that setup, your hud would be on the gamepad (adjust spin, angle, whatever else you do in golf games) then the tv would be just an open fairway and maybe wind speed.
Edit:
So all that crap could be gone
I think it is. It leaves the market open for another game to come swoop it up.
Steve Youngblood
Member
Did you really think this needed clarification? Maybe I'm missing something here, but what I'm getting at is are there any technological benefits to this approach versus just putting a golf ball on my floor and swinging at it? Or a sock? Or a quarter? Or a... you get where I'm going.
Zoramon089
Banned
Well the gamepad has a sensor bar so it knows where the wiimote is pointed in relation to it so it could feasibly offer some difference from the normal setup where it just knows HOW you swing. This could be used to know where you're actually hitting the ball
Metal Gear?!
Member
Yes, the gamepad is an extra sensor bar so it offers more accuracy.
EDIT: beaten
we will have an idea about that gamepad golf thing soon. nintendo will obviously release wii sports u sometime between now and Q 4 2014.
obviously im talking about the gros of the audience in a demoscopic sense
there are always individuals that are not falling into that generalized view. (I am in my late twenties and usually play kiddie games like mario and also use wii fit every day.) but for a company that sells to the masses obviously the big picture is more important. If it comes to niche products its more important to know who your fanbase is.
obviously im talking about the gros of the audience in a demoscopic sense
there are always individuals that are not falling into that generalized view. (I am in my late twenties and usually play kiddie games like mario and also use wii fit every day.) but for a company that sells to the masses obviously the big picture is more important. If it comes to niche products its more important to know who your fanbase is.
Refreshment.01
Member
In my layman opinion the answer is not that straightforward my friends. So i think this only can be answered by a developer that has actually coded a golf game or someone with a lot of knowledge about this type of tech. What im getting at is that having the sensor bar there would offer anything meaningfull precision or gameplay advantage over what the Wii M+ already offers?
What's the user feedback in the example pictured? How does the player knows if he is aming the Remote correctly?
Zoramon089
Banned
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It's a mockup video! The gamepad has a sensor bar. It could easily show a visual indicator of the club on the screen because it knows where it's pointed.
Take two recent examples, just using Japanese figures as they're more documented:
and
Brain Age:
Red = Brain Age
Blue = Brain Age 2
Green = Brain Age 3DS
The latter grew substantially from iteration to iteration on the NDS, but neither transitioned that audience to the 3DS very well.
1. Nintendogs caused a bump, but didn't really drive hardware sales prolonged in Japan.
2. Brain Training caused a modest bump in the baseline hardware sales for DS, and was a much bigger long-term pusher of hardware for DS. However, if you looked at the weekly numbers, they hadn't increased that much. It's just that the baseline value actually rose thanks to Brain Training, so every week having a slightly higher baseline => lots of overall systems sold.
3. Brain Training 3D was released with NSMB2 and 3DSXL, so can't see any impact from it specifically on hardware.
That said, no, I don't think Brain Training 3D sold much hardware for 3DS, either.
Also from the MC thread,
Until the Tiger 12 version wasn't *quite* as successful as before, and then they dropped it like a rock. DO NOT put it past EA.
Unless they think it's too "easy" and decide to not do it. That's why there was never a proper Wii Sports 2 with expanded versions of the original game. They thought it was the "easy" path, and didn't want to go that way. Ugh.
shinra-bansho
Member
Essentially, I see Wii Fit U acting the same way as Nintendogs - causing a transient bump - but not driving sustained hardware sales. Particularly if it releases in this quarter to an ailing rather than booming system, as Wii Fit did.
Perhaps I'm putting too much stock in the Wii Sports/Motion Control effect, but I really do think the synergy of Wii Sports + X or Y was a large factor in making X or Y sell, and turning X or Y into a system seller. And I think that's very difficult to transfer over without an equivalent Wii Sports.
I am of course open to being completely and utterly wrong.
Delusibeta
Banned
Yeah, if FIFA 14 doesn't appear on the WiiU, then it's time to sound the alarm, since that's pretty much a sign that EA thinks your format is dead. Hell, FIFA 13 was released on the PlayStation 2 (admittedly it was also released on the WiiU, so don't panic).
tehrik-e-insaaf
Member
If nintendo decides to release their own line of sports games - I hope they do it in a majorly disruptive way - i.e. relatively cheap (30 dollars), a one-time purchase for the entire generation with free or cheap (15 dollars) yearly updates for rosters and gameplay/graphics enhancements, custom/shareable plays online/miiverse, iphone/android team management via miiverse apps, connection with fantasy leagues, free 3ds version, etc.
if they want to have advertisements streamed into the games in exchange for making it nearly free, i'm ok with that...
EA has exclusivity over these licenses (NFL, FIFA, PGA) - but from what I understand they forfeit them unless they release yearly updates to the games on each platform in particular, so Nintendo should be able to go to the NFL, etc and pick them up super cheap
if they want to have advertisements streamed into the games in exchange for making it nearly free, i'm ok with that...
EA has exclusivity over these licenses (NFL, FIFA, PGA) - but from what I understand they forfeit them unless they release yearly updates to the games on each platform in particular, so Nintendo should be able to go to the NFL, etc and pick them up super cheap
Just recalled, but Wii Sports wasn't bundled in Japan, which is where the weekly charts showing ~50% ratio between Wii hardware and Wii Fit were at. Japan is a different beast than most, but just wanted to remind about that. (Japan is also where Wii sales tapered off first, so maybe no Wii Sports bundle was the reason for that.
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