Banderdash
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I'm glad this got sorted before the One X launched as I've been holding off on buying it till then.
Two of the most expensive out of curiosity. I was lucky - got two very good cars.
Once I worked out price vs reward, open a 20K regularly. Risk v reward on these is worth it.
So you feel the need to open the 20k lootbox regularly in order to make progress but yet you argue that the game isn't designed around the lootboxes?
I'm getting the biggest case of dejavu I've had in a long time. Didn't they make like the exact same comments in response to "fan feedback" before?
Yeah forza 5 iirc
Complaining works. If people start being complacent things will just get worse.
Yes, Forza 5.
You don't need to play one second of a game to know what the long term intentions are of a developer who implements Skinner box economies.Played the game much have you?
Call your representative, start an online petition. That could actually maybe change things. Liking a YouTube video or posting on GAF about it? Not so much.
This right now is Turn 10/Microsoft trying to see how far they can go. They scale it back down after the feedback, which is fine. But it won't change anything about loot boxes.
Replying here for other forum users, you don't likely care what my actual position is.
I feel that the regular in game rewards are quite generous and without opening loot crates progress is easily made. I feel not actual need or requirement to open loot crates.
However there exists a loot crate that is essentially exactly the same as a mod-pack from FM6. In that it is guaranteed to be just a set of mod cards. There's no gamble here really, unlike the big crates, you know what you're getting, some mod cards.
And these cards do boost your income. It's not a gamble it's merely a decision to say, I'll have some more credits thanks. These mod cards also have a gameplay element too - they are little challenges to be completed in races. So they are a fun little thing with the chance of a few more pretend monies.
Yeah exactly. I became a Forza fan with the horizon series and was going to buy 7 but this loot box shit stopped me in my tracks. I can't support this kind of thing.If your game is budgeted so poorly that it can't survive without loot boxes, you should maybe reconsider making the game you made.
A full price game shouldn't need a free to play economy.
I'm not telling you to give them a pass. Give them hell if that's your opinion. I'm just being a bit more pragmatic about it. This is how today's market works and as long as there isn't something like regulation stopping this it won't stop. The other way would be the loot box economy imploding. But that's not on us. That's on rich people paying hundreds of Euros every month for this stuff. As long as they continue to do so we can't do anything to stop loot boxes.
How does this solve anything for base game users?
VIP access is extra paid content.
Bu but but I enjoy racing.
You do realise that attitudes like this (the turning a blind eye and hand waving) is why it will only get worse right?
Because if you want to get access to everything in the game then you do need to start opening loot boxes, it's already been covered in multiple threads.
Then hopefully they go out of business.
How does this solve anything for base game users?
VIP access is extra paid content.
Yep. They just tried to push it again.I'm getting the biggest case of dejavu I've had in a long time. Didn't they make like the exact same comments in response to "fan feedback" before?
How does this solve anything for base game users?
VIP access is extra paid content.
It's a mostly hollow gesture for the few VIP owners and completely hollow for everyone else. Nothing really changed. Turn 10 still screwed the game and will no doubt go deeper next time followed by a hollow apology again.
Most aaa games will need some sort of monetization system unless price tags are significantly increased. Loot crates are fine, what isn't fine is when they impact gameplayIf your game is budgeted so poorly that it can't survive without loot boxes, you should maybe reconsider making the game you made.
A full price game shouldn't need a free to play economy.
Yes, but the changes made for Forza 5 ended up ruining the economy and basically made money/credits irrelevant in the game as you had way too much. I haven't tried the system in Forza 7 yet as I've been on an overseas business trip since launch day (Ultimate Edition launch that is), but hopefully this doesn't have the same impact.Yes, Forza 5.
It all seems like manipulation from the get go. Giving people a false sense of being listened to while still nickle and diming them.
The whole VIP thing is crooked, yet now people somehow feel they "won"?
Game still have the most content by far when comparing with the competition.
How much content do you get for $60 and never any DLC/VIP/Extras?
Genuine question as I have no idea.
It all seems like manipulation from the get go. Giving people a false sense of being listened to while still nickle and diming them.
The whole VIP thing is crooked, yet now people somehow feel they "won"?
I call this the Two-Steps Back, One-Step Forward principle. Gouge your customers on multiple fronts, then fix one of them, now all is forgiven.It all seems like manipulation from the get go. Giving people a false sense of being listened to while still nickle and diming them.
The whole VIP thing is crooked, yet now people somehow feel they "won"?
Is this retroactive? I've been holding off on opening my ultimate edition.
Of course, all VIP's will get double winnings. But you should know that it's not available right now, they will introduce it with a patch.
People like me are willing to pay for it.It all seems like manipulation from the get go. Giving people a false sense of being listened to while still nickle and diming them.
The whole VIP thing is crooked, yet now people somehow feel they "won"?
It all seems like manipulation from the get go. Giving people a false sense of being listened to while still nickle and diming them.
The whole VIP thing is crooked, yet now people somehow feel they "won"?
Now that Turn10 listened to the fan complaints to get rid of some negativism, what are the odds that Polyphony does the same and adds a campaign mode to Gran Turismo Sport?