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Typos on game boxes
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Dog Problems
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nitric0 said:
IGN logo.
J-Roderton
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LastWindow said:
How did that ever end up there anyway?
Dog Problems
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Jroderton said:
I don't remember if there was an official response but the person in charge of making the cover up just took artwork from IGN and threw it all together, I guess.
sixteen-bit
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Fucking hilarious.Mungular said:back of the dark souls guide
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I just can't see "tu" ever being an appropriate romanization for the sound... unless they were trying to keep it down to 2 roman characters apiece. Unless, of course, there are some dialects of Japan that speak it like that.verdures said:
Also I never understood why Pinyin is supposed to be better than Wade-Giles, aside from the fact that the Chinese gov chose it. Wade-Giles correctly uses "ch" for the sound like in "change". Pinyin uses a Q? WTF? Ask an English speaker to read "Qing", and they will never, in a million years, guess that you are supposed to say "Ching" (which is how WG spelled it!).
ElectricBanquet
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I remember on the box for Marvel vs. Capcom for Dreamcast one of the screenshots was actually from Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter.
sixteen-bit
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Not on the North American version. I'm looking at it now and I see no such thing.ElectricBanquet said:
First Name
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It's supposed to be pronounced what?BocoDragon said:
...Well I've been pronouncing something wrong for quite a while. I wonder why they did that.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I know a white Canadian practitioner of 'qigong' who has been pronouncing it "key-gong" for years. It's actually "chi-gong" as in chi energy....First Name said:
Onion_Relish
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BocoDragon said:
I speak a bit of mandarin and to he fair the ch and the q are similar but not the same sound. The same way z and s and x sound similar but are also pronounced differently. Pinyin is superior
MrOogieBoogie
BioShock Infinite is like playing some homeless guy's vivid imagination
The back of the Killzone 2 box art has always bugged me. Zoom in and scroll to the beginning of the third paragraph from the bottom. It reads:
"Killzone is a registered trademark of Sony Computer Entertainment Europe. Developed by Guerilla. 2008 Sony Computer Entertainment Europe. Killzone 2 uses Havok Physics. 1999-2004 Havok.com Inc. (and it's Lincensors)."
Fucking shit has bugged me since the day I noticed it.
Correctomundo
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_dementia said:
It's on my NA copy. The one on the left.
ElectricBanquet
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_dementia said:
Yep. It's on the North American version. The screenshot on the far left is from the wrong game.
Edit: beat me to it
perfect free
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From Makai Kingdom's back cover. This was back in Nippon Ichi's "how do I English" phase:
Randomly genarated extention maps!
Use various tanks, like [list of objects that are not tanks]!
Randomly genarated extention maps!
Use various tanks, like [list of objects that are not tanks]!
hardcastlemccormick
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I have what I often suspect to be an illegitimate copy of Final Fantasy VII for PC. The back of the box suggests, among other winners, "nail bitting combats."
I may upload the image tomorrow.
I may upload the image tomorrow.
BobTheFork
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lol, I'm sure you noticed when you posted itUFRA said:
Rhazer Fusion
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Sort of off topic, but if i remember correctly, DOA3 on the XBox had Hayate saying something like, You thought you are tough but you are not or something like that during his win pose.
Not an official release, but back when I was ignorant of the "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is" rule when buying GBA games off Amazon & eBay, the cheap copy of Fire Emblem I got turned out to be a pirate. The description on the back cover has one typo and one thing I think is kind of weirdly stated:
"After many years, the rightful heir to the throne of Rikea has beenfound."
&
"Command a fantastic army of heroes in this turn-based strategy battle." (dunno, shouldn't it be "in this turn-based strategy game" or something?)
And the side of the box has these:
"People who are photoseneitive should not play video games without first seeing a doctor"
and
"IMPORTANT! Read the instructon booklet before setup or use of your system"
"After many years, the rightful heir to the throne of Rikea has beenfound."
&
"Command a fantastic army of heroes in this turn-based strategy battle." (dunno, shouldn't it be "in this turn-based strategy game" or something?)
And the side of the box has these:
"People who are photoseneitive should not play video games without first seeing a doctor"
and
"IMPORTANT! Read the instructon booklet before setup or use of your system"
cpp_is_king
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BocoDragon said:
Because Japanese does not use a western alphabet in the first place, and any possible spelling is an approximation? The Japanese program is not weird, everyone who knows Japanese knows that it is not uncommon to transliterate that particular kana as either 'tu' or 'tsu' depending on who you ask.
UnluckyKate
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Resistance 2 PAL needs 300 gigs for mandatory installation
sixteen-bit
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Fuck I was looking at the mvc2 box my bad.Correctomundo said:It's on my NA copy. The one on the left.
linko9
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OK, let me try to clear up the tu vs. tsu thing. First you have to understand the notion of a phoneme. A phoneme is what most people would call a sound in their language. This is different from a letter. In english, most phonemes (sounds) are spelled with one letter, but many are spelled with two letters. The sounds we spell p is one phoneme, but so is the sound we spell ch. . Phonemes are written between slashes, like /tu/ for english two, or to or too: note that even though theyre written differently, they all consist of the same phonemes. As you can imagine, the simplest and most elegant way to write a language alphabetically is by assigning one letter to each phoneme. This is not how English works, which makes it very hard for children and second language learners to learn how to spell English words.
Now we must introduce another notion; the fact that for a single phoneme, there can be multiple different allophones. For example, in English, there are (broadly speaking) two allophones for the phoneme /p/. In the words pat and spat, any English speaker will tell you that the p in each word is the same sound. Thats because theyre the same phoneme. However, they are not the same allophone. If you put your hand in front of your mouth when you say these two words, youll find that in pat, the p is accompanied by a puff of air (called aspiration), whereas in spat, its not (or at least not as much). So, while the letter p represents the same phoneme in each word, it does not in fact represent the exact same sound. We can say that in English, aspirated p and unaspirated p are not contrastive; that is, there cant be two words that differ only by one word having aspirated p, and another word having unaspirated p.
Now, lets look at Japanese. In Japanese, the sounds that English speakers would spell as t and ts are allophones of the same phoneme; that is, they are NOT contrastive. The sound [ts] only occurs before the vowel /u/. So, for Japanese speakers, [ts] and [t] are the same sound, in the same way that for English speakers, the p in pat and the p in spat are the same sound. If you want your spelling system to be elegant, youll ideally have one letter for each phoneme, and so you will use the same letter (t) to represent both [ts] and [t] in Japanese. This is why you see alternate spellings for Natsume/Natume or Ketsui/Ketui, even amongst official promotional materials. The phonemes for these words are /natume/ and /ketui/, but in each case, the /t/ is pronounced as the allophone [ts], which to English speakers sounds like a different sound.
Hope that all made sense. Some other allophonic alternations you might not have known about in Japanese:
[f] and [h] are the same phoneme /h/: [f] only appears before /u/.
See alternate spellings Futari/Hutari
[ch] is also an allophone of /t/; it appears before /i/ or /y/
Cant think of any video game examples
[sh] is an allophone of /s/, appearing before /i/ or /y/
Ever hear a Japanese game developer talk about a shirizu for English series?
Now, you may be asking yourself what about Fainaru Fantajii? How is there an f there? Well, thats because contact with foreign languages like English has created a phonemic split in Japanese, so that f and h are in fact different phonemes in modern Japanese. However, the older pattern is still adhered to in non-western-borrowed Japanese words. Youll only find f followed by anything other than /u/ in these borrowed words.
Now we must introduce another notion; the fact that for a single phoneme, there can be multiple different allophones. For example, in English, there are (broadly speaking) two allophones for the phoneme /p/. In the words pat and spat, any English speaker will tell you that the p in each word is the same sound. Thats because theyre the same phoneme. However, they are not the same allophone. If you put your hand in front of your mouth when you say these two words, youll find that in pat, the p is accompanied by a puff of air (called aspiration), whereas in spat, its not (or at least not as much). So, while the letter p represents the same phoneme in each word, it does not in fact represent the exact same sound. We can say that in English, aspirated p and unaspirated p are not contrastive; that is, there cant be two words that differ only by one word having aspirated p, and another word having unaspirated p.
Now, lets look at Japanese. In Japanese, the sounds that English speakers would spell as t and ts are allophones of the same phoneme; that is, they are NOT contrastive. The sound [ts] only occurs before the vowel /u/. So, for Japanese speakers, [ts] and [t] are the same sound, in the same way that for English speakers, the p in pat and the p in spat are the same sound. If you want your spelling system to be elegant, youll ideally have one letter for each phoneme, and so you will use the same letter (t) to represent both [ts] and [t] in Japanese. This is why you see alternate spellings for Natsume/Natume or Ketsui/Ketui, even amongst official promotional materials. The phonemes for these words are /natume/ and /ketui/, but in each case, the /t/ is pronounced as the allophone [ts], which to English speakers sounds like a different sound.
Hope that all made sense. Some other allophonic alternations you might not have known about in Japanese:
[f] and [h] are the same phoneme /h/: [f] only appears before /u/.
See alternate spellings Futari/Hutari
[ch] is also an allophone of /t/; it appears before /i/ or /y/
Cant think of any video game examples
[sh] is an allophone of /s/, appearing before /i/ or /y/
Ever hear a Japanese game developer talk about a shirizu for English series?
Now, you may be asking yourself what about Fainaru Fantajii? How is there an f there? Well, thats because contact with foreign languages like English has created a phonemic split in Japanese, so that f and h are in fact different phonemes in modern Japanese. However, the older pattern is still adhered to in non-western-borrowed Japanese words. Youll only find f followed by anything other than /u/ in these borrowed words.
Conrad Link
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qq more said:
I just looked at mine and yea it says that lol.
cpp_is_king
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linko9 said:
lol, always laugh when I see someone else interested in linguistics joining the party. But I have to warn you, I'm afraid that for about 99% of people reading your post, you definitely did NOT clear anything up
It's like some asking why 2+2=4 and then a mathematician breaking out the Peano Axioms and/or the properties of a ring.BocoDragon
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I would not find it weird for many languages (I'm not confused by why Chinese or Arabic has variable romanizations), but Japanese is made up of a series of full syllablic sounds that never change in any context. They can be directly converted to roman characters in a way that they will never require interpretation in how to pronounce it (with exceptions, such as the "su" sound at the end of verbs getting shorted to just an "s" sound).cpp_is_king said:
Put simply, The tsu syllable always sounds like tsu, and never like tu.... as far as I've ever encountered.
Very interesting.linko9 said:
I had to read it several times, but I think I get it
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will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
BocoDragon said:
The "Zh" being "J" fucked me up for a while. Also "X" being "Sh".
cpp_is_king
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linko9 said:Hey, we've gotta try
By the way, another, hopefully more easily digestable explanation for the tsu vs. tu thing is the following:
The natural arrangement of the Japanese alphabet is in table form, where the rows of the table indicate the "first letter" (consonant) if you were spelling the letters in English, and the columns represent the "second letter" (vowel) if you were spelling the letters in English.
The rows of the table are [none], k, s, t, m, h, n, y, r, w.
The columns of the table are a, i, u, e, o.
With only a couple exceptions, every single combination of these letters is a valid Japanese "letter". For example, k+u = ku = く. n+e = ne = ね. etc.
The reason tsu/tu (e.g. つ
is frequently written as "tu" by native speakers is because it creates more consistent rules for transliteration. ta, ti, te, and to do not have an "s" sound in the middle so it would actually be blatantly wrong to write those as tsa, tsi, tse, or tso. Those sounds don't even exist. So simply for the sake of consistency in spelling, "tu" is written instead of "tsu".
Granted the linguistic explanation is more forml and more "correct", but hopefully this explains it in a way the layman can understand.
cpp_is_king
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BocoDragon said:
While true most of the time, it is not true always. If you add a tenten to the hiragana つ you get づ. This is sometimes pronounced "zu" and sometimes "du", and sometimes maybe even "dzu", depending on the word in question and the dialect of the person speaking.
The same is true of other kana, there is not always a single pronunciation. The most obvious examples of this are ふ (fu / hu depending on the word / person), し (shi / si) and す (s / su)
linko9
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Yeah, that might have been a better way of explaining it.
http://www.tokyowithkids.com/fyi/japanese/hiragana/hiragana1.gif
http://www.tokyowithkids.com/fyi/japanese/hiragana/hiragana1.gif
BocoDragon
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Right... now I get that "tu" might more truly communicate how the sound is thought of in Japanese. It's the same sound as ta, te, etc. but when you have an "u" sound following, it reveals that it actually functions slightly different than a "t" sound in English.cpp_is_king said:By the way, another, hopefully more easily digestable explanation for the tsu vs. tu thing is the following:
The natural arrangement of the Japanese alphabet is in table form, where the rows of the table indicate the "first letter" (consonant) if you were spelling the letters in English, and the columns represent the "second letter" (vowel) if you were spelling the letters in English.
The rows of the table are [none], k, s, t, m, h, n, y, r, w.
The columns of the table are a, i, u, e, o.
With only a couple exceptions, every single combination of these letters is a valid Japanese "letter". For example, k+u = ku = く. n+e = ne = ね. etc.
The reason tsu/tu (e.g. つ
So simply for the sake of consistency in spelling, "tu" is written instead of "tsu".
Granted the linguistic explanation is more forml and more "correct", but hopefully this explains it in a way the layman can understand.
The "Tu" version is using roman characters as a "code" to correspond to actual Japanese sound forms, while the "tsu" version is spelling them phoenetically so English speakers can easily mimick them.
BTW is ち rendered as "ti" in that situation? Is し rendered as "si"?