Outrun
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It is about market share at this point. They need to stay in the game for a year. Being outsold by 44% in November is good news.
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UK: PS4 sales triple thanks to PS4 launch
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It is about market share at this point. They need to stay in the game for a year. Being outsold by 44% in November is good news.
Indeed they do not have many alternatives.
Basically their financial guidance tells us that they plan to stay competitive in the US+UK although they expect overall lower worldwide sales and less revenues compared to last year.
But yeah focusing on their strongest markets and throwing everything they can is what they should do right now.
I don't know how much profit Sony is making on the two models.
I only know that Pro is profitable and Slim even more because that's what they have stated. So all their (big) sales are also done while making money.
Do you think that Microsoft is selling those discounted units with up to 4 games included at a profit?
That's the definition of inventory loss and since it is a loss at least they're trying to use it to counter the Pro, in this sense they're trying to turn the loss into a market share investement.
They always tought me in school - "sales are vanity, profit is sanity"
Welfare
Member
44% in the week with a new model.
Total November sales so far:
PS4: 86k
XB1: 69k
PS4 is ahead by 24.6% total so far. PS4 could continue to lead sales this November depending on the drops next week and Black Friday.
AnthonypUK
Member
*whispers* Because they channel stuffed and noone wants them.
WOW! Old XBone worth peanuts now.
Mister Megative
Banned
Good sales for both. Anyone have the numbers from last November in the UK?
LOL? You should work on your comedy appreciation.
WOW
I pre-ordered mine as soon as it went up in Sep and now Amazon is saying they back ordered and won't have any till the 20th
MS is a different beast than your garden variety widget maker. Mindshare is much more important for future revenue potential.
TBiddy
Member
Indeed. Lots of arm-chair analysts in this thread. Taking an XB1 bundle with 4 games and detracting the full retail price of said games to get the value of an XB1 is an... odd way of calculating.
I was expecting a much bigger lead over XBO for Pro launch weekend than 65-45. I'd expect they'll be neck and neck this weekend.
A famous and overused phrase, and one which never did apply to Amazon.
Banjo-Kazooie
Member
As it does every year. Why people try and pretend otherwise is boggling
Aren't these units already sold to retailers? Wouldn't it be the retailers incurring inventory loss on old OG units they bought?
Damn, that's a good deal. If I didn't already have the console I'd have definately bought that bundle without even thinking.
OMG! You basically get the console for free. No wonder they sell like crazy lol
shinobi602
Member
The Pro's an excellent console honestly. Worth it.
Playing some of the games on my KS8000 is eye opening.
Playing some of the games on my KS8000 is eye opening.
Nightengale
Member
meanwhile, here in Malaysia, no-stock anywhere till December.
Lol that title. Wish there had been parody titles like this on launch day back in 2013.
"PS4 sales near infinite increase after PS4 launch"
Op: I honestly did not expect people to car much for the pro. Glad it's stops the PS4 from its stagnant trend. I was really starting to get the impression that roles had reversed due to XB1S.
Still should have had a UHD blu ray in it. Stupid, stupid decision. Eat the costs.
"PS4 sales near infinite increase after PS4 launch"
Op: I honestly did not expect people to car much for the pro. Glad it's stops the PS4 from its stagnant trend. I was really starting to get the impression that roles had reversed due to XB1S.
Still should have had a UHD blu ray in it. Stupid, stupid decision. Eat the costs.
wapplew
Member
Fuck Sony Malaysia.
Opus Angelorum
Member
Considering how poorly the PS4 was selling before the launch of the Pro, the difference over the Xbox One isn't actually that impressive.
LastMinuteHero
Member
Fuck sony asia period. We still haven't gotten ps2 classics on ps4
Poorly? lol oh boy.
TBiddy
Member
The XB1 was outselling the Pro according to the numbers posted earlier. But it's still early, so we'll see what happens during november and december.
Nightengale
Member
I'm honestly dreading long-term, USD is now 4.30 and may hit 4.80 by June next year!? FFFFFFFFFF
Emm no.
In September Xbox won the month in UK by just 1500 units.
In October the gap was less than 25k units.
Last week sales were 21k vs 24k.
PR victory headlines won't tell you the reality that sales have been pretty much tied so far.
Pro gave a huge boost to PS4.
A huge discount gave a boost to Xbox as well last week.
Welfare
Member
October
Xbox One: 99,496 (57%) [Average of 24,874 a week]
PS4: ~74,600 (43%) [Average of ~18,650 a week]
Week 1 November
Xbox One: 24k (53%)
PS4: 21k (47%)
Week 2 November
Xbox One: 45k (41%)
PS4: 65k (59%)
PS4 was not selling poorly prior to this week. It was before FIFA, but after that it improved by a huge amount.
It certainly isn't hurting the XB1S. Let's not pretend UHD blu ray isn't a feature some people look for in consoles nowadays. I work at Best Buy in the home theater department. Haven't met a person who wouldn't rather have the XB1S over one of those Samsung or Panasonic 4K players for the same price.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
What I'd like to know for both Sony and MS is how many new people they are bringing in vs how many people are just upgrading from the original PS4 and Bone to the Pro and Slim.
panda-zebra
Member
It's not an odd way of calculating anything, just a total of each individual game at the retailer that sold the bundle.
That "full retail price" you speak of has:
Gears 4 at just under £40 - it's only really much cheaper at Smyths and Amazon right now - full retail price at Microsoft Store is £50.
Horizon 3 at just under £40 - can't find it cheaper today in the UK, and again RRP at MS store £50.
Quantum Break at £17.50 - cheapest price in UK, MS store RRP £40.
RotTR at £18.99 - again, cannot find anywhere cheaper. MS Store RRP £50
Taking the real "full retail prices of said games to get the value of the xbox one" would give the price of the console at -£10.00
¯\_(ツ
_/¯Think there are platform-holder incentives at play here. MS is selling the old models from £180-£200 themselves also.
Since the xb1 began taking a monthly sales lead over ps4, it has sold less than 30k more units in total than ps4 prior to the Pro launch. It has been selling fairly similarly to xb1 in the face of some deep discounting, with a little of its own in the shape of those last few OGs for £150/£180 at the end of September.
That is certainly a concern given how poorly many games are performing in UK retail charts.
Although it's not clear atm if digital is making up, if it's just that the market got bored with certain games or if UK software sales are simply declining.
LordRaptor
Member
It is a bad way of describing value, because it only has that value if thats the price you wanted to pay for every one of those games, and if you wanted to buy every one of those games today at that price.
chronic_archaic
Member
I still believe it will take NPD due to having a more marketable bundle game and being able to advertise it as a 4K box for $300. I just don't think the Pro is going to appeal mass market but I could be wrong.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Good.
It seems some of the nonsense spewed from before (and in this thread) was just that...nonsense.
It seems some of the nonsense spewed from before (and in this thread) was just that...nonsense.
Maybe that's the reason lol
TBiddy
Member
Yes it is. You can't just detract the prices of anything bundled with an item and then arrive at a price point and make the conclusion of said items current worth. I'm curious as to how you arrived at that logical conclusion.
Which is exactly why it makes no sense whatsoever to do those sorts of math. And I don't even know why you made that smiley of yours. ("¯\_(ツ
_/¯"). PS. RRP != full retail price.
They already have. Sony Philippines contacted me that their official retail partners have started selling.
Unfortunately, stocks were limited and the first batch sold out quick.
The larger retailers are claiming December is when the next batch will arrive.
panda-zebra
Member
The response was armchair experts subtracting* RRP of games - I did not. I think taking the price of the games at the same retailer on the same day gives a great idea of the value offered to someone looking to purchase that machine right there and then, especially as tesco direct aren't a price-gouging joke of an online retailer, they're pretty competitive. It's exactly what had my finger hovering on that buy button.
haha, it's all a matter of how you wish to view these things, isn't it? Saying "the xbox one" - combining OG and S, yet differentiating between ps4 models, now who's doing the armchair expert thing with some classy data analysis, lol. As the average sale price given in the revenue numbers shows, the vast majority were likely not new S models, rather those bargain OGs making up the larger part of that number. So as you say, in the coming 7 or 8 weeks we'll see... the numbers should be "interesting".
Liabe Brave
Member
Yeah, I agree that trying to calculate a particular number on value is just false precison. All we can say is that Xbox One has far less value to consumers.
panda-zebra
Member
Well, that's exactly what prospective purchasers will be doing when they sit there and consider making the purchase. It's exactly what I did when considering taking on one of the old big bulky xbones vs a new slim with lesser value on 4 games right at the top of my xb1 wanted list.
And I don't even know why you made that smiley of yours. ("¯\_(ツ
Simply because your stance makes me shrug. Console + games A, B, C and D = £180... subtract cost of games and arrive at bargain price for console. Not that difficult a concept to grasp.
SensibleSucker
Member
wapplew
Member
Fuck Trump.
Its only a new GPU and a new case, and a new CPU. Generally, XB1'a firesales will cancel out a lot more money going to MS than Pro's architecture enhancements.