Yautja_Warrior
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Seems people were waiting for the Pro these last few months then, pretty much as expected really.
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UK: PS4 sales triple thanks to PS4 launch
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Or simply the hardcore have gone out and made their purchase for day one and once that is over it will slow back down to a fairly normal level of hardware units being sold
Primethius
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Yep, this is my read if the situation as well. I sound like a broken record at this point but I think some put too much stock in what success means for Pro/Scorpio is actual sales. They'll make up such a tiny part of the overall sales for the platform, especially as we move into the holidays.
Probably not, but you've got to make th difference between people buying their first current gen machine and people who feel the need to upgrade.
Even if as many as 1/10 existing PS4 owners make the choice to upgrade, that's only an extra 10% the number of units being sold than would have been otherwise.
Also, for each upgrade, you are likely introducing a used PS4 into circulation, which brings down the cost of a used PS4 and makes the purchase of a new one less likely.
What we've seen in every other generation is that once the consoles hit a value threshold, they have a second wind. The Regular PS4 and Xbox One S have probably not reached the affordability point makes them accessible to the super casual players.
Bits N Pieces
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Would be interesting to see how many new adopters the Pro has got for Sony and how many are exisiting PS4 owners upgrading to the Pro?
This is something we will never know
TBiddy
Member
What? I did literally no analysis in that post. No need to be aggressive mate. I just recapped the numbers. And that was it.
It's not difficult to grasp. But that doesn't mean it makes sense. You can't just take a price of an item and subtract it from the total, to the price of the remaining items. That's not how any of this works.
You may as well say Console/GameA/GameB/GameC = 180£. Subtract the cost of those items, and you have the price of GameD (which would probably be below 0£).
Agreed. I'm not sure how anyone could arrive at any different conclusion.
funking giblet
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Dat P.S.4. Triple!
Yautja_Warrior
Member
PS4 Sales dropped much lower than normal though and while its possible, it seems more likely that the slow down was due to the Pro or at least some of it will be anyway.
Xbox One sales slowed down just before the XB1 S came out, so I'm thinking the same thing here.
I guess we will see when the next 2 NPD reports come out, to see if things really have changed or if people were just waiting for the Pro.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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The thread title is killing me.
these new consoles are definitely going to be more about getting people to rebuy rather than getting new people in
notacat
Member
Bu but, I want to plug my headphones into my iPhone 7!
Same thing. Nobody liked it, company does it anyway because we're all their bitch and give them money anyway.
Unknown?
Member
I think it'll do good getting new people. Pro might convince some Boners to buy a PS4. Obviously it'll be mixed.
DriftingSpirit
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I'm sure that is part of it but I also think there are people who don't care or don't even know about it.
There was this notion that the lack of the Blu-Ray would nip Pro in the bud (or at least be one of the main reasons) but here we are. I don't think it is as big a deal as the internet made it out to be.
Omnistalgic
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seems logical, but I always expected future games will be the best showpieces, it just doesn't seem like there's a lot of money in patching games for future TV tech.
getting Pro early is a nice bonus IMO, the first standout game won't hit until Horizon. Although some may say playing FF15 @ 60fps is a reason to get one as well, and maybe TLG will have a significant patch. But ground up with Pro in mind games like GTS, Days Gone, GOW, etc...that's when I think the system will really shine and unless you are really on a budget, it would make no sense not to get a Pro.
I bet we get a revised Pro model in a few years and the slim model gets phased out. But not sure if that would be against the guidelines they set for parity across the two models.
They were the only place where I could trade my og ps4 in, so PS4 pro ended up costing only 160. Clerk was a super asshole, but I only had to talk to him for 10 minutes.
wish i could have done it through amazon
Ha!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
This is darn near stupid. How can MS afford this?
Lmao 🙈
Ya I feel you on this one. Although Ratchet looks absolutely godly on the Pro right now, 2017 titles will have even better Pro support built in and it'll show. Looking forward to when most devs really get the hang of this checkerboard rendering stuff. Days Gone & GOW will wow quite a lot of people on the Pro, no doubt. Just as Horizon has. 2017 will be a beast.
I don't think it's a bad thing so long it's 3 years, and the PS5 is a whole new generation. 2019 PS5, 2022 PS5Pro, etc. New generation to raise the floor that games are created upon.
6 Years a generation seems like a good thing at this point.
they aren't too fussed I imagine - get people in there eco system and more chance of future game sales on their system...
And they can shout about extra xbox live hours etc etc
Bitch Pudding
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But can they afford not to?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I guess that's a good way to look at it.
MS is a much bigger company than Sony and at this point this is all about mindshare. That said, this is a company that legitimately considered giving away the OG Xbox for free.
Really simple MS has a lot of money.
Yes but now we don't have preorders siphoning off sales causing one to worse than it is. The pro will contribute a percentage of the overall sales.
But I was told nobody wanted the Pro because it doesn't play those UHD Blu-Rays no one seems to be buying (Or even stocking judging from all the shops I've been in).
Can only assume these numbers must be inaccurate then.
Can only assume these numbers must be inaccurate then.
Well deserved, Pro is fucking awesome. IQ on the games I've tried so far has been blowing me away.
By making up the difference via MAU, obviously.
More people into the ecosystem raises the chances that they buy digital goods( games,movies, groove, apps), buy Xbox live memberships, most of if not all the first party games have a micro transaction element to them etc. also it raises your market share for future game releases. plus you want to get those older xboxs off the shelves so you can ship more newer consoles
It's also why they keep losing all the great marketing deals to Sony. Putting all their budget on the price and bundles.
They are marketing on of the biggest games of the year this fall in BF1, along with mainstays of FIFA and Madden
Those are all EA, made before the console even launched
Welfare
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Are you sure that deal included all 4 games or you could choose 1 out of the 4? Huge difference.
AnthonypUK
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And yet they still fall behind month after month, have to wonder how much those work for both parties.
They can afford it as long as their shareholders can stomach the lack of a return, i think Scorpio is their last throw of the Dice. Console gaming in particular isn't a growth market, MS is seeing this on its consoles, and in its games releases, thats why they're going all in for one last shot with the Scorpio.
Ok then Fallout 4, Division, Witcher 3. Before Sony has only had COD for 2 years and suddenly MS gets no marketing deals
What does that have to do with anything we were talking about. If anything, FIFA and BF are some of the main reasons they are doing well( along with new S design)
Omnistalgic
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yup, MS has their work cut out for them with the launch of Scorpio. Even with more tech under the hood, it'll be second gen Pro games going against launch Scorpio games. They better hope the difference is obvious lol, or they'll just sell only to current Xbox owners again and not grow the market much outside of U.S/UK. I'm also wondering what the move after Scorpio is? Do they just always release a year after PS now? If PS5 is ready in 2019, X3 more than likely would still be too early?
Next year so exciting...
Hesemonni
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I have hard time believing this to be true. Must be choose 1 of 4. Or something.
I just sold my Xbox One and I'd gladly bite if a good Xbox One S deal comes along. Good old physical copy bundles, no download code bullshit!1
DriftingSpirit
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That is something I've been curious about too. What impact does Scorpio have on the next Xbox? I think PS5 will be 2019 too. So, the next Xbox would be coming two years after Scorpio if they want to launch at the same time. I don't know, seems too soon to launch but letting Sony launch the next PS with no competition seems like it would be far worse for them in the grand scheme of things.
Jawmuncher
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Lol foregetting the pro in the title makes it look odd.
notacat
Member
Well, thing is the blu-ray player in this, and the base PS4 could both support 4K UHD discs, just need a firmware update, laser is compliant.
Thing is, Sony is selling their new stand-alone 4K UHD player for 200+. No reason for them to compete with themselves.
I can understand where they are coming from. Also you have a good point, I doubt a lot of consumers know or care about 4K UHD. when blu-ray was first out, many were surprised that a lot of movies on it were just 720p, not 1080p like everyone assumed.