You're trivialising it because it has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand. It's like saying a Page 3 girl automatically agrees that fans pissed on police 23 years ago. It's completely irrelevant. Hillsborough and the way The Sun lied are big issues and this is not a big issue, it's some nerd's opinion piece on a video games console.
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UK Tabloid The Sun - "Will you be picking up a Wii U? Here's 5 reasons not to"
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You're trivialising it because it has absolutely nothing to do with the matter at hand. It's like saying a Page 3 girl automatically agrees that fans pissed on police 23 years ago. It's completely irrelevant. Hillsborough and the way The Sun lied are big issues and this is not a big issue, it's some nerd's opinion piece on a video games console.
You could well be right, that would have been a much better point to make in a Wii U doubting article. But this article is trash to such a high degree that it didn't even get proofread...
Although it will mean little, hopefully after the release of the Hillsborough files the other day will force the scumbag to admit he lied.
This has been mentioned already but the points you hit on there are all Daily Mail favourites. Cancer? Check. Paedophilia? Check. Dirty foreigners? Check. Ban this sick filth? Check. Attacks on the English language? Check.
And for those of you who haven't already heard it, here's The Daily Mail Song.
The Sun is only read by idiots. A piece like this would never have been written in a newspaper had the Wii not created such widespread public exposure. If anything it shows (by extension) the unpredictable nature of the 'blue ocean' market. I don't think Nintendo even predicted their previous success. I would just roll your eyes at this article and move on. The Wii U is a safer gamble than the Wii ever was so everything should hopefully pan out.
The Sun is our Fox News (and Sky would be if they had their way), horribly bias to a certain pov and scarily popular with the "general public".
radioheadrule83
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Blow it up your arse. The website in the OP is the same publication, owned by the same people, as it was 23 years ago. It has everything to do with it, because I'm disgusted that any of you would visit the site let alone actually read the newspaper or care about any of its articles. I shan't discuss it further.. I've said my piece.
The Guardian? I thought it was the Daily Mail.
As for the article, are his points really that different from threads we see on here everyday?
Threads that go on for multiple pages.
Spiffy_1st
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People just making stuff up and telling it to people for money.
Mama Robotnik
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Every time someone links to The Sun, for its gaming opinion or whatever, they are increasing ad traffic financially rewarding a company that blamed the victims of the Hillsborough tragedy with lies, forcing their devastated families to deal with unfounded accusations that their deceased relatives pissed on the police and stole from the dying. They helped create an atmosphere in which the police could cover-up their role in the death of these people. I don't give a fuck if you are okay with their current content as some time has passed, the same people own this scummy newspaper now as they did then, and when GAF links to them, we put money in their coffers. We should be better than this.
How can making more people aware of this paper's role in that tragedy, be "trivialising Hillsborough"? Trivialising that event, would surely involve using The Sun as a source without mentioning its sickening, abhorrent history, surely?!
From the excerpts of the article posted here, it doesn't appear that we are missing out on EDGE level considered analysis by avoiding their website.
RurouniZel
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太陽。
No it wasn't.
I edited it after I realised, in my tired stupor I type the wrong paper (and in fact, it's opposite)... thought I caught it in time.
Combichristoffersen
Combovers don't work when there is no hair
Since the thread has already been derailed into a debate about Hillsborough; has there ever been given any explanation to why The Sun published those outright lies? Was it just a cheap and easy way to sell more papers or was there some agenda behind it?
Again this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. If the content of The Sun offends you so, don't post in the fucking thread, rather than shit it up trying to turn it in to a Hillsborough thread. If this was a thread about how The Sun reported on a new football crowd death, you'd have every reason to bring up Hillsborough, as it is it has nothing to do with it. I'm not here to discuss Hillsborough I'm here to discuss video games.
Man, I miss this beautiful hand-drawn art.
GameCenterXDS
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The Wonderful 101, New Super Mario Bros U, Pikmin 3, Bayonetta 2, Monster Hunter Tri G Ultimate, Super Smash Bros 4 > The Sun
Okay they are right there will be a price drop at some point but really that is a knock against getting any console early. You can at least count on getting a quality unit from the start unlike Microsofts sabotaged first shipments. I know after the 3DS people are afraid Nintendo will drop the price quickly but with the premium unit that gets you Nintendo Land, it's still a great deal.
As for it being out-dated thats just not the way I see things. I care about the overall games and environment a console has more than anything. I still play on a NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Dreamcast or any classic console I enjoy. I see the Wii U really becoming a favorite for me with the exclusive games already announced and the direction Nintendo is taking everything.
Okay they are right there will be a price drop at some point but really that is a knock against getting any console early. You can at least count on getting a quality unit from the start unlike Microsofts sabotaged first shipments. I know after the 3DS people are afraid Nintendo will drop the price quickly but with the premium unit that gets you Nintendo Land, it's still a great deal.
As for it being out-dated thats just not the way I see things. I care about the overall games and environment a console has more than anything. I still play on a NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, Dreamcast or any classic console I enjoy. I see the Wii U really becoming a favorite for me with the exclusive games already announced and the direction Nintendo is taking everything.
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ScreenSplitter
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the 'outdated' thing is a little odd though. Wasn't PS3 a year after 360, but 360 still outsells it. Being early doesn't mean you're outdated, but in the case of the Wii U its being a year early *and* being relatively underpowered. If it'd been in the ballpark of PS4 and a year early, I wouldn't see anyone complaining.
Steel cages and no health and safety certificate? That's considered safe now, is it?
But..doesn't anyone has the right to comment, if you like it or not?
Mama robotnik strike again, good post.
radioheadrule83
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Thank you Mama Robotnik for eloquently stating what I was getting far too angry to say.
There are plenty of people here who still want to hold this publication responsible for what they've done, and I think you'll find there are plenty here who would support that and feel perfectly entitled to do so. You can talk about games all you want, lets not pretend this curly turd of an article warrants any meaningful discussion that isn't already going on elsewhere on GAF.
There are plenty of people here who still want to hold this publication responsible for what they've done, and I think you'll find there are plenty here who would support that and feel perfectly entitled to do so. You can talk about games all you want, lets not pretend this curly turd of an article warrants any meaningful discussion that isn't already going on elsewhere on GAF.
Okay, people need to stop saying it's 'overpriced' before the damn thing even comes out. That's just idiotic. History has shown us the following:
The PS3 was overpriced at launch
The Wii was not overpriced at launch
Prior to the launch of the above products, you would have easily had people on GAF arguing the reverse of both of those historically accurate outcomes. Hell, someone will undoubtedly respond to this post and say I'm wrong.
The PS3 was overpriced at launch
The Wii was not overpriced at launch
Prior to the launch of the above products, you would have easily had people on GAF arguing the reverse of both of those historically accurate outcomes. Hell, someone will undoubtedly respond to this post and say I'm wrong.
Ravensmash
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To be honest, most of the points are echoed here or on other gaming forums in Wii U discussions...
Heck, 1 + 5 are the reasons why I have little interest at present.
The sun have always prided itself by being a scum. Nothing else, nothing more. They have used the most outrages way to gain access to places and always report offensive ''news'' on their front pages. Have nude pics on page 3 to sell few more and their football reports are just so biased you want to vomit at the spot.
Horrible goons that shouldn't exist. Simple as that.
To those who were stupid enough to derail Bayonetta 2 thread. To everyone else, they are not valid points. Some points maybe rephrased in a way or two, but all of them were written in a Gamefaqs voice of desperation and stupidity.
There's a basic assumption that people post on the topic of a thread, not go off on their tangents about how much they hate something that happened 20 years ago.
People are entitled to feel whatever they want, but not everything is about fucking Hillsborough and it doesn't need to be brought up all the time. You wouldn't run in to a thread about Germany bringing up the war.
Delusibeta
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The Current Bun.
Also, I didn't realise Holy Wars was employed there (at least, that's my only explanation for his opinions on the paper).
As a direct result of that article, the Sun has never been sold in Liverpool since. It was that bad. And it turns out, the Liverpudlians were completely vindicated in their grievances.
Also, I didn't realise Holy Wars was employed there (at least, that's my only explanation for his opinions on the paper).
As a direct result of that article, the Sun has never been sold in Liverpool since. It was that bad. And it turns out, the Liverpudlians were completely vindicated in their grievances.
I disagree, the only one of the article's points that is discussed to any significant degree here is point 1. You'd be hard-pressed to find many people who agree the Wii U is "dramatically" over-priced, or who actually believes points 2, 3 and 4 for that matter.
Muchi Muchi Pink
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Die Sonne.
The fact that Sun was the publisher, is enough reason for ''fucking'' Hillsborough to be brought up.
Think for a moment about the sort of people who read this tabloid. Try to picture them in your mind.
Do these people, at least based on your perception, seem like the sort to concern themselves with facts and the minutiae of gaming systems - or what the inherent difference is between buying two products to get an experience rather than one?
That's the problem.
Here's my opinion on The Sun
It's a low brow paper that is mostly fluff, usually has nothing close to interesting to say and is just dumb, tacky entertainment. I buy it on occasion, but I am certainly not a fan of the newspaper. I find it's writing style humorous in it's ridiculousness and usually smile when reading it. I often read their website because I find the way they report things to be funny in how bad it often is.
This does not mean I'm a fan of The Sun posting incorrect statements about people that died.
But on the topic at hand? It's hardly the greatest article in the world but I actually agree with a few of the points the guy made.
Agent Unknown
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WOW, more than a few people in here really ARE saying "Yeah, it's the Sun but..." New low for Neogaf in console discussion.
Frontline's piece from earlier this year on the death of News of the World and the ins and outs of Murdoch's thug tabloid culture is a must watch:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/murdochs-scandal/
Frontline's piece from earlier this year on the death of News of the World and the ins and outs of Murdoch's thug tabloid culture is a must watch:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/murdochs-scandal/
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