Parakeetman
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Utawarerumono Mask of Deception - |OT| Underwater Ray Romano
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Basileus777
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I'm enjoying the game, I'm at the
. But I don't really see where all the knocks on the anime came from, it's pretty much the same thing, the adaptation didn't even really cut much.
Tuskur invasion
R_thanatos
Member
I'm at the 13h mark , wrapping nosuri stuff
i laughed .. i laughed a lot .. yep the writting's pretty good
During those 13 hours i'd say the character building's excellent
i laughed .. i laughed a lot .. yep the writting's pretty good
During those 13 hours i'd say the character building's excellent
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Yeah that seems to be the same general reaction from those that played in the import thread lol.
At least you folks dont have to wait a whole year like we did.
witchedwiz
Member
small question..
did we get the first utawarerumono in english for any console?
did we get the first utawarerumono in english for any console?
No, there's a fan translation patch for the PC version though.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Never came out in the West on any of the platforms (pc, ps2, psp).
Its why in the OT I tell people to watch the anime instead as its the main legit way to check out the series.
While chances are slim am hoping for a remake of the first game on current gen systems.
Toadthemushroom
Member
How does this game scale to Vita? Do the SRPG segments have a clear HUD and feel smooth to navigate?
Torn on whether to get it for PS4 or Vita, my 64GB memory card is full so I'll have to import the North American Vita version.
Torn on whether to get it for PS4 or Vita, my 64GB memory card is full so I'll have to import the North American Vita version.
It's great, there's nothing wrong with the Vita version.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Cool, might import then. As long as it doesn't feel janky or unpolished or have tiny text I'm in for Vita.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
If you are trying to buy the game from the idea that you will get an awesome SRPG experience you better look somewhere else. As its a fairly simple in terms of gameplay and in general the game isnt trying to compete with other pure SRPG titles.
Now if you understand that this is mainly a visual novel that has brief SRPG parts to give the players a break from all the reading then you will be fine with either choice of platform you make.
Game is about 70/30 in terms of Visual Novel to SRPG content. So you will be doing a lot more reading than fighting.
In regards to the Vita ver with the SRPG portions the geaphics will not be as sharp as the screenshots shown in the OT. Outside of that the Vita version is perfectly fine and well suited to the genre.
Pandora012
Member
Is it a good translation? I might be willing to try it out. I've watched the anime but it's a bit foggy though.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
It's very literal and the localization for names and places differed from the "official" localizations but it's good enough.
I have no idea why Sentai decided to spell Eluluu and then stay with Aruruu...
Haven't played the PC fan translation in a long time, but I don't remember anything wrong with it.
I must admit, it's pretty hard to read for people who didn't grow up in english-speaking countries.
Recently tried fan translated pc version, even on modern Windows 10 the game is still completely playable(in full screen mode). Even though game is 15 years old it aged very well.
Toadthemushroom
Member
I knew all of that already, it's just that the SRPG portions of the game have a turn-order HUD which looks like it'll be painful on the Vita's display. I want it on Vita precisely because it's a visual novel.
It's not painful.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
The turn order HUD is fine. Nothing is too small to see, really.
I don't even use the turn order though. Battles are easy enough that I don't really care who moves next, haha.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Yeah as others said its pretty much a non issue.
Toadthemushroom
Member
Thanks for the responses all, will pick it up on Vita then.
R_thanatos
Member
I was lost without it , so i activated it ... but now i don't use it often in battle. It does help but it's not necessary.
But somehow , in srpgs i don't feel at home without a turn order
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
An hour in and loving this game. Combat seems basic but I only did one battle. I really liked the anime back then so it makes me happy to see more.
Basically dont play the game for the srpg parts as its only really meant as a simple distraction rather than trying to be part of the srpg genre itself lol.
Good to hear that you seem to be enjoying the game though.
I just beat the game. After a very slow first half, it picked up and the final act was so good. Overall, the anime series was a really faithful adaptation though, they just had to cut a bunch of things to fit the format (which I agree, made it worse). Now trying to do dream arena stuff but I'm awful at the strategy parts, all my characters get killed in one hit.
Really hyped for Mask of Truth / Futari no Hakuoro either way.
Really hyped for Mask of Truth / Futari no Hakuoro either way.
How long did it take you?
Around 45 hours with auto-read and few retries.
Edit : And props to the translators, except for some names it's a really good localization.
Basileus777
Member
Even after finishing I honestly still don't get the complaints about the anime. The VN is better for the most part, but the anime was a faithful adaptation that didn't really cut much at all. It's not very different from the game, I find it hard to believe someone would like one and not the other.
R_thanatos
Member
The anime kept the story and the events , but made changes that messed up the delivery.
It doesn't help that the first game had an arc to tell from start to finish , here it's much more uneven so it's harder for the anime to keep things consistent ( not to mention the ending ).
The game is better told , has more events so things aren't as rushed as the anime did. ( even if the anime did kept all the main events intact , the anime did cut a bunch of small ones).
Imo the only thing the anime did better was
the reveal of what happenned in the past by mikado
i don't dislike the anime , it's just " disapointing" ?
The only notable difference would be
Haku being depressed because Vurai destroyed a nakwan village in the anime instead of the Tatari stuff. They cut the latter with all the flashbacks foreshadowing the "twist". And if I remember right, Entua was also almost non existent.
The anime shortcomings for me : lack of time to appreciate the characters, it was kinda ugly, and the serious parts don't have the same weight they have in the game.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Anime screwed up the delivery and watered down almost everything. Its fine if you never plan on playing the game but comparing the two game blows the shit out of the water honestly.
Its not that hard to see the differences between the two unless one either is not paying attention or doesnt care.
Finished the game yet again and I have to say I liked the localization quite a lot. Not a lot to pick on the script. They really did a good job conveying the speaking characteristics of Mororo and Atuy.
To chip in, the anime lacks the impact for several key scenes for me. The ending felt really rushed too with several scenes weirdly absent or just plain bad. I will absolutely recommend the VN over the anime by far. My playtime in the end was 21 hours. Well, this is mostly true for most adaptations except maybe Steins;Gate.
To chip in, the anime lacks the impact for several key scenes for me. The ending felt really rushed too with several scenes weirdly absent or just plain bad. I will absolutely recommend the VN over the anime by far. My playtime in the end was 21 hours. Well, this is mostly true for most adaptations except maybe Steins;Gate.
Done with the game, just got the platinum's trophy.
It was a very enjoyable ride overall, and good to return once again in the world of Utawarerumono.
Given the ending I hope the third game will deliver as there is a lot of questions which will need to be answered.
The things I'm the most curious about are
September is too far...
It was a very enjoyable ride overall, and good to return once again in the world of Utawarerumono.
Given the ending I hope the third game will deliver as there is a lot of questions which will need to be answered.
The things I'm the most curious about are
to know what happened in the time skip between this game and the first one in Tsukur. As in this one it seems Tsukur is considered to be the entire island, which would mean that they have somehow unified/annexed the other countries. Also we don't know who is acting as the oro, maybe Erururuw since she is the only character from the first game who isn't mentioned by name.
I also wonder what the deal is with those masks. Seems strange that the Mikado managed to reproduce the power of the original when the scientists of the first game failed to understand how it even worked.
Also the glossary mention a war in Tsukur a decade ago but it should be closer to 20 years given Kuon apparent age.
Woshis is suspect, Haruka call him "young m....." at some point if I recall correctly.
And I can't get behind the fact that nobody recognize Haku with the mask on. He isn't even of the same species than Oshtor, and is supposed to have only a fraction of everyone strength T_T
Atuy stole the show.
I also wonder what the deal is with those masks. Seems strange that the Mikado managed to reproduce the power of the original when the scientists of the first game failed to understand how it even worked.
Also the glossary mention a war in Tsukur a decade ago but it should be closer to 20 years given Kuon apparent age.
Woshis is suspect, Haruka call him "young m....." at some point if I recall correctly.
And I can't get behind the fact that nobody recognize Haku with the mask on. He isn't even of the same species than Oshtor, and is supposed to have only a fraction of everyone strength T_T
Atuy stole the show.
September is too far...
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
General average is 30 hrs.
KLoWn
Member
Just finished the game, it was great, but with a bit too much filler tbh. Too many segments where they eat or drink, and have to describe how everything tastes etc etc.
The only thing I was somewhat disappointed in was the soundtrack, which was great, but not as good as the one in the first game.
But that's nitpicking, and I can't wait for the next part to drop.
Also,
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The only thing I was somewhat disappointed in was the soundtrack, which was great, but not as good as the one in the first game.
But that's nitpicking, and I can't wait for the next part to drop.
Also,
Nekone is a fuckin idiot
R_thanatos
Member
Well , when even
a sibling (nekone) can't see past the disguise with a fake one and that atuy can't either having spend close time near the real thing. it's safe to assume nobody can
Pellegri Testament
Member
Well that was an ending alright. It's good knowing that we don't have much of a wait for the sequel (unlike with Trails SC).
Will probably list my thoughts on it later. So far though I would say it's my favorite game of the year, which may not really say that much when I primarily only play Vita games and the occasional PC (Trails 3rd is right behind it).
Will probably list my thoughts on it later. So far though I would say it's my favorite game of the year, which may not really say that much when I primarily only play Vita games and the occasional PC (Trails 3rd is right behind it).
purseowner
Member
But when it's so knowingly so and plays around with it, how can you not love it for it?
Oh I'm having a good time with the game, but wew does it lean heavily into it.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
For those that cleared the game while its been up for a few days now heres the Mask of Truth E3 trailer. (which is basically the localized ver of the JP one)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebj8Yu2TwVw
Those that didnt beat the current game dont watch the trailer obviously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebj8Yu2TwVw
Those that didnt beat the current game dont watch the trailer obviously.
Pellegri Testament
Member
My thoughts on the game after beating it:
I feel like they could have cut out a good amount of the filler and it wouldn't have taken away much from the game. Having character development scenes is nice, having multiple scenes that basically end in showing the same development that the first scene or 2 showed, isn't really needed when it does not change how the character is portrayed. Did it really need a dozen scenes showing how Anju and Rulutieh were into BL? Did there need to be over a dozen scenes where everyone is just sitting around drinking or eating sweets?
While the srpg element ended up being a smaller percentage of the game than I thought going into it, it really started coming into it's own about halfway through the story. Bosses that can one shot and basic enemies that can do large amounts of dmg as well, made it so you could no longer just breeze through fights. The final few fights in particular ended up being really hard, where one wrong move could end in losing a character. I just started the Dream Arena, but can see that it will end up taking more strategy than any of the fights leading up to it.
As for the ending (the last 5 hours or so), it basically brought the game from 3rd or 4th on my list for the year, to it being first. The "end of humanity" scenario was a nice twist earlier on, but what happened with the conspiracy and twist at the very end where what really made it for me. The "noble sacrifice" trope is something that keeps surprising me in most games it's in, even when it should be obvious that a character is being set up to be killed off in the end. Until the very end when Oshtor stayed back to fight Vurai, I had no idea that he would end up dying.
I'm also a sap for endings that have 2 characters in a relationship and something happens that causes them to break apart, which then leads to a sequel where they get back together. Because that is what made me want to see the sequel right away.
While the srpg element ended up being a smaller percentage of the game than I thought going into it, it really started coming into it's own about halfway through the story. Bosses that can one shot and basic enemies that can do large amounts of dmg as well, made it so you could no longer just breeze through fights. The final few fights in particular ended up being really hard, where one wrong move could end in losing a character. I just started the Dream Arena, but can see that it will end up taking more strategy than any of the fights leading up to it.
As for the ending (the last 5 hours or so), it basically brought the game from 3rd or 4th on my list for the year, to it being first. The "end of humanity" scenario was a nice twist earlier on, but what happened with the conspiracy and twist at the very end where what really made it for me. The "noble sacrifice" trope is something that keeps surprising me in most games it's in, even when it should be obvious that a character is being set up to be killed off in the end. Until the very end when Oshtor stayed back to fight Vurai, I had no idea that he would end up dying.
I'm also a sap for endings that have 2 characters in a relationship and something happens that causes them to break apart, which then leads to a sequel where they get back together. Because that is what made me want to see the sequel right away.
You're going to love a particular scene in the sequel then. The combination of dramatic irony, dialogue, and music (ohhh the music) results in one of the strongest
love story
Good timing for the trailer since I just finished the game. Can't wait for the 3rd game to come out fast enough.
Some thoughts on the SRPG part
- As already mentioned, the battle system gets better as it goes on, and actually has quite a good amount of depth and strategy. Being able to rewind is nice, and I have to rewind and start over almost from beginning a few times in hard mode, but maybe it would be nice to have a harder mode without rewind to just add to the challenge.
- The charger type ring are very inconsistent, and I can never finish/critical some of the action chains. When it criticals it seems like luck. Fortunately there is auto-chain so it is not too big of deal, but I still don't understand why the charge ring sometimes don't complete. I should git gud I guess...
- Overall, I'd say the battle system improved a ton from the first game, and really came into its own. I wouldn't mind if the next one has more SRPG element. Instead of a 30:70 SRPG/VN breakdown, more of a 50:50
Some thoughts on story elements and ending
- Doesn't anyone feels bad for Moznu? He basically got framed for doing things he didn't do, and might have got executed. This is one part of the game where I felt justice is not right. Plus, from the battle with him it seems that he's not that bad of a guy after all, want to settle down and do business and all that.
- I hope they provide more ties to Tuskur in the next game and explain more on what happened to everyone. There are a bit too much teases and no tell.
- I hope they provide more ties to Tuskur in the next game and explain more on what happened to everyone. There are a bit too much teases and no tell.
Nekone deserved it though