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Valve announces DotA 2
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TouchMyBox
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Archie said:
haha.
Lostconfused
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LoL is rather different from HoN and by extension DOTA 2 as well. I am sure people who like LoL will probably have trouble with DOTA 2 and would prefer to stick with that they know.EmCeeGramr said:
dark_inferno
Member
Archie said:
Grinding is fun, isnt it?
dark_inferno said:
Although there are plenty of those who say L4D2 is different enough to L4D to justify releasing it as a standalone, full-priced title, since I haven't played it, I'll just say it's (apparently, as far as you seem to be concerned) the - as yet - sole exception to the rule.
Edit: Duckroll surmises the position of those who fall into the former quite well.
Pinko Marx
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Decado said:
In a way. Except theres no base building or anything like that. You control one hero that you level up and buy items for through killing the opposing team's minions, or other enemy heroes. The game is fiercely competitive and teamwork is a MUST.
This is actually a bold move. Expectations were much more along the lines of a streamlined, more accessible Valve-style sequel. But this is a direct grab for the 8 million player base of DotA, the huge group that hasn't been dented by HoN and LoL despite the success of both. As they touch upon in the article, because of this choice Valve is going to have to break new ground with its community features for this to work for the general PC gamer population without everyone running kicking and screaming in the other direction after being verbally abused for being a feeder.
For being a direct copy of DotA, this is quite a challenging project overall.
For being a direct copy of DotA, this is quite a challenging project overall.
EviLore said:
That is exactly why I'm excited. I never played DotA, but I love HoN but the community is quite simply the worst on the internet. If Valve is able to make it so that I can have a pleasurable experience with strangers, they deserve all the praise in the world.
RocketDarkness
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Don't acknowledge the stupid people and they'll probably go away.duckroll said:
Why yes....YES IT IS. The link wont load.duckroll said:
Now let me ask you, is it so hard to help a fellow gaffer out by answering his question?
I read what people quoted here and I still dont get wtf Dota is. I'm reading stuff about posting on forums will give you a good standing and stuff....sounds weird.
I've been thinking, what are the chances that this isn't a standalone release?
What if all Valve were doing all along is making an Orange Box 2. So that it would be possible for Episode 3 + Portal 2 + Dota 2 to all be released together.
It would look similar to the composition of the Orange box now , with a HL epsiode, single player focused game (Portal) and a multiplayer game (TF2)
What if all Valve were doing all along is making an Orange Box 2. So that it would be possible for Episode 3 + Portal 2 + Dota 2 to all be released together.
It would look similar to the composition of the Orange box now , with a HL epsiode, single player focused game (Portal) and a multiplayer game (TF2)
Pinko Marx
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hitlerat said:
EviLore said:
This is precisely why I didn't expect it to be a straight port of DotA. Coming to grips with the gameplay is about as hardcore as games come, not to mention when you throw in global stats on a match-based team-dependent level everyone becomes batshit retarded if they aren't winning (the HoN phenomenon).
Very balsy by Valve indeed.
I think Episode 3 is dead. Valve will announce Half Life 3 in the future. No one will care that Episode 3 didn't officially materialize after HL3 is announced.
Could be a cost, but imagine the influx of extra steam accounts Valve could get with a FREE, NEW Dota game on Steam.
Charge for in game items.
Archie said:
Could be a cost, but imagine the influx of extra steam accounts Valve could get with a FREE, NEW Dota game on Steam.
Charge for in game items.
badcrumble
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Yeah, what's ridiculously ambitious about this is that Valve is attempting to take over a massive fanbase AND make a famously shitty fanbase into a good one by using matchmaking and encouraging good behavior.EviLore said:
A developer successfully controlling and improving its game's community in that manner would be just wholly unprecedented, and a really fucking big deal.
thetrin
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I honestly don't understand how a person can post on GAF and not know what DotA is.mr_nothin said:
Volcynika said:
DotA and its derivatives have notoriously bad communities, which is why I largely stay away from them. I'm looking forward to playing DOTA2, though.
GregLombardi
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I think a more apt comparison for DOTA is that it is essentially Smash Bros. in 3D with unrecognizable heroes and vastly different controls.Xater said:
Pinko Marx
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Mrbob said:
Fuck no and fuck you for even bringing that idea into this thread.
LoL is a DotA clone but it has a lot of important differences and is free to play, I think it will stay afloat. HoN is a DotA remake though, and DotA 2 is also a DotA remake - HoN is fucked unless Valve really screws this up.
Really bummed about this though. They're calling it a sequel and yet they're changing literally nothing about the gameplay at all? Very disappointing. The reason I don't play DotA/HoN and rarely play LoL is because the game is such a huge chore when you lose, for all sorts of reasons intrinsic to the game itself:
1. It's extremely team oriented and one weak link can ruin everything(infamously terrible community problems start here).
2. Slippery slope means that the more you start losing the more frustrating the game gets.
3. Long game times mean that a bad game feels like a complete waste of your time.
4. Impossibly steep learning curve generally scares away all players that aren't mega-nerds to begin with.
It's like the perfect storm of nerd rage all packed into one game.
Really bummed about this though. They're calling it a sequel and yet they're changing literally nothing about the gameplay at all? Very disappointing. The reason I don't play DotA/HoN and rarely play LoL is because the game is such a huge chore when you lose, for all sorts of reasons intrinsic to the game itself:
1. It's extremely team oriented and one weak link can ruin everything(infamously terrible community problems start here).
2. Slippery slope means that the more you start losing the more frustrating the game gets.
3. Long game times mean that a bad game feels like a complete waste of your time.
4. Impossibly steep learning curve generally scares away all players that aren't mega-nerds to begin with.
It's like the perfect storm of nerd rage all packed into one game.
Chavelo said:
The Black Box has been and gone. Originally intended for a retail release, it was instead relegated to the Radeon HD 2900 series of cards. To this day, opening the box to the 2900XT I had purchased for my new PC to find a key for The Black Box is one of the best surprises ever.
I don't expect Valve to bundle this and Portal 2 together in a new "box." They would be missing out on a lot of revenue in doing that. Back when the Orange Box came out, Portal was an unknown property that most probably didn't expect to become as huge as it did, and Team Fortress 2 also wasn't guaranteed to become as big a hit as it did. Those two games needed to be bundled with Episode 2 to give them more exposure. Dota and Portal 2 don't need that kind of support to sell.