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Vatican clarifies Pope's statement: Atheists are still going to hell
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I'm sad now. I wanted to go to heaven ...
It's logical though. You can't walk through Crip territory wearing Blood colors and expect not to get shot. Wearing the right color jersey is important.
Kidding aside, I don't claim to be some authority on religion but isn't denying God pretty much the worst sin possible according to the church? You're actually worse than the devil.
It's logical though. You can't walk through Crip territory wearing Blood colors and expect not to get shot. Wearing the right color jersey is important.
Kidding aside, I don't claim to be some authority on religion but isn't denying God pretty much the worst sin possible according to the church? You're actually worse than the devil.
Indeed it will. Unfortunately for unbelievers, at that point it will be too late.
Allow me to quote scripture:
Luke 16:20-26
And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores, desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom.
And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame.
And Abraham said to him:
Dongs Macabre
aka Daedalos42
If I'm going to hell, at least I'll be in good company. Heaven sounds really boring.
Religion is about selling a product: eternal salvation. Mario isn't coming to Playstation.
Does that mean nuns are lesbians?
not all religion is selling only salvation. i believe mine teaches how you should treat people. basically, "don't be a dick". be nice. take care of each other.
SirMossyBloke
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My eyes glazed over, sorry.
Dude Abides
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Based on sales in NA and Europe, the Vatican needs to get out of the church business and go third party.
Santa Claus to children of the world " you might still be a good kid if you don't believe I exist but you sure won't get any presents"
That's basically my thoughts on anything that comes out of the vatican/pope. Threatening atheists with this is completely wasted. "hey start believing in that thing that doesn't exist or when you die you'll continue to exist somehow in another place that doesn't exist and it'll be really bad and stuff".
That's basically my thoughts on anything that comes out of the vatican/pope. Threatening atheists with this is completely wasted. "hey start believing in that thing that doesn't exist or when you die you'll continue to exist somehow in another place that doesn't exist and it'll be really bad and stuff".
Rocket Punch
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But the pope is infallible!
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Crap!
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Crap!
boiled goose
good with gravy
you can do a better job by thinking about it, than by reading an ancient book.
If the bible is not the word of god, and the dogma dictated by the higher ups is not what you believe, then how do you decide what is right?
entremet
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Paul the Apostle, writer of many New Testament books, used the allegory of marriage and compared the Church to the bride of Christ.
boiled goose
good with gravy
might also be due to a translation from latin or italian so there are no gender neutral pronouns?
Anticitizen One
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Good thing I enjoy "entering and remaining in her" if y'all catch my drift 
Don't they have a "first circle" in Hell, meaning that if you didn't do anything evil, just did not believe in Christ, then you are not treated too badly.
Or did Dante just make all this stuff up and it's all like Hieronymus Bosch???
(Paintings by Bosch not linked bc you can google them).
Or did Dante just make all this stuff up and it's all like Hieronymus Bosch???
(Paintings by Bosch not linked bc you can google them).
with reason. i don't need a bible to tell me what is wrong or right. my conscience guides me. i don't read the bible. in fact, i'm not sure if it's even the divine word of god. it may be a book written by men about their interpretation of a great man that lived long ago (Christ). anyway, i studied philosophy extensively for several years before converting to catholicism. i follow nothing blindly. i joined the catholic faith because i believe it is truly universal and includes all. i believe god is love. period.
boiled goose
good with gravy
Can I accept salvation after I die?
Strange. What you are describing yourself as is not a catholic, you are just calling yourself one. Seems to me you are just someone who believes in god without any particular doctrine. And I guess you believe in Jesus (as a man, but not a deity?)
If you do not believe that Jesus was god or the son of god, then you are most definitely not a catholic.
Oh no! The Pope said something open minded that could be construed as a positive statement, shut everything down! We must clarify that everyone not in our group is going straight into hell where they'll be tortured for all eternity... Maybe they'll join us now?
I honestly don't get why the Catholic Church is so hostile to everyone that doesn't follow their religion.
I honestly don't get why the Catholic Church is so hostile to everyone that doesn't follow their religion.
Think of it as actively sending people to heaven.
If you also kill them expressly because of their faith you make them martyrs. That means not only heaven but probably a nice cabana by the beach too.
Monocle
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Oh good, for a second there I was afraid the Pope had taken a sane position.
If you poop on their bellies too, you might be able to convince Jebus that you went crazy and couldn't help your actions, so you deserve heaven after all. I'm not sure if it works that way, but what do you have to lose?
Freezasaurus
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lololololol Did they seriously take a look at their statement before releasing it?
"Let Jesus enter you."
teruterubozu
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"Fuck you, I'm blessed."
nothing wrong with penetrating a religion
Why are you so sure that the pope wants to effect change and this clarification is contrary to what he was trying to get across. If he disagrees with this clarification he can just come out and say it.
GAF meet up?
Monocle
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I wanna get down on my knees and start pleasing Jesus...
i'm sorry, i wasn't clear. i see jesus as both man and deity. i believe in jesus. i am christian and that is why i joined the catholic church. it came directly from christ. i just don't believe the dogma of the church. i feel his message has been diluted and misused by the church for quite some time. jesus did not say atheists, gays, and others aren't going to heaven. he said love thy enemy. do unto others, etc. in fact, he said nothing about laying with other men, etc.
edit: i will never be able to completely explain how i believe. i believe anyone can receive forgiveness no matter how grave their sins. and i don't think there is any reason why atheists have to go to hell just because they don't believe. if i believed that i could not call myself christian.
You do realize what Jesus' supposed purpose in coming to Earth was, right? I'm with you on the dogma stuff, but you're basically ignoring the primary function of Jesus, which is to save those who accept from their sins.
It's all nonsense, but "do good things and go to paradise when you die" is not Christianity.
If he agreed with the clarification, he would have clarified it himself.
i do believe he came here to take away our sins. they are on him. i'm sorry, when i said i believe in jesus, that was part of it. i believe in jesus, all aspects including dying for our sins.
i'm outta here. i won't go on defending my catholicism (or lack of it). i will go on living the way i choose and hope for the best.
He seems to have done just that through a spokesperson. Rosica seems to speak for the popes intentions. If that is a misrepresentation, then Francis can clarify. I doubt this was issued without his knowledge.
SolarPowered
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Let the Pope do something nice for you every once in a while, you stupid church.
read the thread, or better yet, do some research. everything the pope says is not infallible. it's not like he can just say "the sky is green" and boom, infallible. sorry, i was leaving but i just can't let this go. it's been explained several times in this thread. papal infallibility is only the case in really rare circumstances.
boiled goose
good with gravy
It is ok for you to believe what you believe. That is your right.
It is great that you have the ability to challenge and question dogma. Never stop questioning, never stop thinking critically. Those are the two more important things. Good luck.
The bible is self contradicting... Thinking too hard about it will not really get you anywhere. :3
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