Can we still go here:etiolate said:PS: I have a ps2, so lets not go there.
etiolate said:I'd take the original content on DC over the ok quality/large hype original content on PS2.
Can we still go here:etiolate said:PS: I have a ps2, so lets not go there.
etiolate said:I'd take the original content on DC over the ok quality/large hype original content on PS2.
Socreges said:Can we still go here:
Mr_Furious said:Any TRUE Sega fan has all 3 systems. The rest of you are all bitter posers
I was only talking about current gen home systems seeing that this is what all the fuss is aboutAniHawk said:All FIVE systems. FIVE SYSTEMS!
It doesn't really but I like taking digs at the wannabe fanboysetiolate said:I am not sure what that has to do with this?
But its true
I was under the impression that you used "I have a PS2" to show how you're not just a biased fanboy. Yet you think the original content is of "ok quality". I dunno. They kind of cancel each other out, in my mind.etiolate said:I am not sure what that has to do with this?
But its true
How many systems is the Genesis / Sega CD / 32X again?AniHawk said:All FIVE systems. FIVE SYSTEMS!
BuddyChrist83 said:How many systems is the Genesis / Sega CD / 32X again?
BuddyChrist83 said:How many systems is the Genesis / Sega CD / 32X again?
DavidDayton said:Lemme see...
1 - Master System
2 - Genesis
3 - Game Gear
4 - Sega CD [a new system in as much as it ran different games]
5 - Sega 32 X [see #4]
6 - Sega Saturn
7 - Sega Dreamcast
8 - Pico
How's that? Even if you discount the Sega CD and 32X, there are STILL 6 unique Sega systems -- of which I own 5.
goodcow said:You can't count the Game Gear as "unique" because it's just a Master System. If you count that as unique, you might as well count the Nomad.
etiolate said:BAGEEZUS.
Sega Fans,
You are missing the point. You like Sega? You want Sega around? Did putting Sonic Heroes multiplatform or say Soccer Slam the same really help? No, Soccer Slam bombed every-fucking-where. Sonic Heroes still mostly sold on Gamecube, it did not benifit from the increased PS2 userbase. Will SMB sell on like it did on Cube for Xbox and PS2? I doubt it. What will these things do? Piss off fans who buy their games. Not everyone (now hold your breath here) who likes Sega ONLY likes Sega, so there are Nintendo fans who also like Sega, Capcom, etc. It seems though that there is a lot of Nintendo fans who also like Sega. Now there is a userbase there buying software and now Sega is screwing around with that fanbase just like they have fucked over their own fanbase FOR YEARS. If you are a Sega fan you should know this. This is bad for Sega in the long run. It's another dumb move, I can't really cut it any other way. Sega has slowed their amount of original content and increased ports. Now they are taking a fanbase with Monkeyball, that console wise debuted on a Nintendo console and thus has its userbase rooted there...and porting it to other consoles. SO what original content Sega had is now yet another port. It might get some PS2 sales, the Xbox userbase has shunned these games(yet Sega goes back for more and I suppose more handouts from MS). Handouts may provide more money but it's a bad way to conduct business. Which gets to the overall problematic issue here.
Dear Videogame Fans,
Is this sort of videogame politics good for the hobby? I say hell no. Sega is a shadow of its DC self. This is not good for videogames and while many of you see fanboy goggles and think "it should just be about the videogame and not the company" you turn your head away from obvious issues that are potential downfalls. If you think this is a fanboy issue, then you have teh GAF goggles on. Trying to filter everything into already understood terms without looking a little deeper and thinking a tiny bit about an industry you spend so much time around.
PS: I have a ps2, so lets not go there.
Please, PLEASE tell me that I should be registering sarcasm on the meter right now. Please.
Uh, I think his point was: not everyone cares about hockey.Fight for Freeform said:What's wrong with you?
It's the best hockey game out, perhaps one of the best sports games out, and it's not on the GameCube.
Why?
Because of Nintendo.
Don't blame SEGA, blame yourself!
If Nintendo did a better job catering to adults and mainstream gamers, you would probably see some quality titles on it. Have fun with your Billy Hatcher, which you as a member of the fanbase totally deserve. I'll be a part of an older, more mature, casual fanbase that will get a chance to play some of these great games (the ESPN titles).
VideoFenky said:Sega announced today that it has hired on famous Korean "unit" Sugar to be their "promotion character" for Sega Superstars, due out November 11 in Japan. The four-girl group was previously hired on to be the "image character" for the company's arcade division.
These four girls are named (left to right in the photo) Jung-Eum, Soo-Jin, Hye-Seung and Ahyoomi, and they're all very pretty, I guess, but I really don't know what qualifies this group to be image characters, or promotion characters, or any sort of characters, really, other than the kind that serve me 600-yen iced coffees at cafes in Shibuya. Sega says that they had two albums in 2003 "that both entered the top ten in Korea's hit charts and won several awards," but as far as I can tell, playing assorted characters for everyone's favorite Japanese games maker is their first major work outside of their native country.
haha, well I'd rather have Billy Hatcher than some ol' hockey game. And I'm an "older, mature" person, so chew on that.Fight for Freeform said:If Nintendo did a better job catering to adults and mainstream gamers, you would probably see some quality titles on it. Have fun with your Billy Hatcher, which you as a member of the fanbase totally deserve. I'll be a part of an older, more mature, casual fanbase that will get a chance to play some of these great games (the ESPN titles).
Damn straight.The best hockey game is NHL Hitz 2003.
drohne said:anyone who's less likely to buy monkey ball 3 because the first two games are being ported to xbox and ps2 is an unbelievably petty twit. i think sega are going forward on the assumption that unbelievably petty twits are a tiny minority of even the gamecube audience, notwithstanding all the message board evidence to the contrary.
drohne said:anyone who's less likely to buy monkey ball 3 because the first two games are being ported to xbox and ps2 is an unbelievably petty twit. i think sega are going forward on the assumption that unbelievably petty twits are a tiny minority of even the gamecube audience, notwithstanding all the message board evidence to the contrary.
Mr_Furious said:I was only talking about current gen home systems seeing that this is what all the fuss is about
Fight for Freeform said:What's wrong with you?
It's the best hockey game out, perhaps one of the best sports games out, and it's not on the GameCube.
kernel said:Firstly, I think a lot of you have missed a more important point: companies are unintentionally giving customers reasons NOT to buy their games when they're released. I doubt many of the people who bought Morrowind on day one jumped for joy when they heard that a better version was going to be released at a cheaper price. I sure as hell didn't cry tears of joy when I heard about MGS2: Substance. I want to preorder MGS 3 - I really, really want to - but I've learned my lesson. I resisted the urge to buy Fatal frame 2, and it looks like Tecmo is rewarding me with a Director's Cut on Xbox. I think Silent hill 2 fans also got screwed to some extent, and I'm sure there are other examples. Super Monkey Ball fans who paid over a $100 for the 2 games have every right to be angry and not to preorder SMB3 if it's ever announced.
lordmrw said:this news doesn't really bother me, but if sega were to announce Monkey Ball 3 for PS2 and Xbox only, then I think the complaining would be warranted.
etiolate said:BAGEEZUS.
Sega Fans,
You are missing the point. You like Sega? You want Sega around? Did putting Sonic Heroes multiplatform or say Soccer Slam the same really help? No, Soccer Slam bombed every-fucking-where. Sonic Heroes still mostly sold on Gamecube, it did not benifit from the increased PS2 userbase. Will SMB sell on like it did on Cube for Xbox and PS2? I doubt it. What will these things do? Piss off fans who buy their games. Not everyone (now hold your breath here) who likes Sega ONLY likes Sega, so there are Nintendo fans who also like Sega, Capcom, etc. It seems though that there is a lot of Nintendo fans who also like Sega. Now there is a userbase there buying software and now Sega is screwing around with that fanbase just like they have fucked over their own fanbase FOR YEARS. If you are a Sega fan you should know this. This is bad for Sega in the long run. It's another dumb move, I can't really cut it any other way. Sega has slowed their amount of original content and increased ports. Now they are taking a fanbase with Monkeyball, that console wise debuted on a Nintendo console and thus has its userbase rooted there...and porting it to other consoles. SO what original content Sega had is now yet another port. It might get some PS2 sales, the Xbox userbase has shunned these games(yet Sega goes back for more and I suppose more handouts from MS). Handouts may provide more money but it's a bad way to conduct business. Which gets to the overall problematic issue here.
Dear Videogame Fans,
Is this sort of videogame politics good for the hobby? I say hell no. Sega is a shadow of its DC self. This is not good for videogames and while many of you see fanboy goggles and think "it should just be about the videogame and not the company" you turn your head away from obvious issues that are potential downfalls. If you think this is a fanboy issue, then you have teh GAF goggles on. Trying to filter everything into already understood terms without looking a little deeper and thinking a tiny bit about an industry you spend so much time around.
PS: I have a ps2, so lets not go there.
lordmrw said:a few too fucking many, but the True(heh) sega fans gladly bent over and grabbed their ankles and paid for all of them, for all the good it did them.
goodcow said:You can't count the Game Gear as "unique" because it's just a Master System. If you count that as unique, you might as well count the Nomad.
drohne said:anyone who's less likely to buy monkey ball 3 because the first two games are being ported to xbox and ps2 is an unbelievably petty twit. i think sega are going forward on the assumption that unbelievably petty twits are a tiny minority of even the gamecube audience, notwithstanding all the message board evidence to the contrary.
Another empty, baseless rant. Are Nbots making this much noise about SF Generations not being on Cube, considering SF2 reached superstar status on the SNES? Nope. The idea that XBox is getting this game instead of Cube would've been considered completely laughable five years ago. Then again, so would the idea of VF4 showing up on PS2 instead of DC. Shit happens.
Shinobi said:Complete and utter bullshit. This is akin to someone buying a console within the first 12 months of it's life, then bitching because it's gone down in price. If a game is ported to something else months after the original game, I don't see why it's some sort of great sin or slap in the face to add extra content, anymore then it's some great slap in the face to take a year to release the game on said machine in the first place. You either buy the game enjoy it early, or you wait six months or a year and get version with some extras. Both scenarios have their advantages. No one forces anyone to buy a game or console when it comes out.
This is the way the real world works. Been going on with cars forever. Every year they get more and more features. What are you gonna do, wait for the perfect model to show up in 2517 before buying one? Please.
I'd take the original content on DC over the ok quality/large hype original content on PS2.
Shinobi said:Well that's a seperate argument altogether. It doesn't concern me, cause it's my belief that Sega is saving most of it's big guns for 2005 and 2006, so they can start the next generation on the fly instead of being a leg or two behind as they've been on PS2. Releasing say, a Sega Raly 3, Panzer Saga 2 or VF5 this generation would be a complete waste of time. Games of that ilk would make a far bigger impact at or closer to the launch of the new consoles, and help establish a consumer base for Sega early on just like Namco did on PSX, EA on PS2, and Team Ninja on XBox.
Still, even in Sega's seemingly darkest days I'm getting OutRun 2, Spikeout and some quality sports games from them, and that's still more then most companies will ever have on offer in a five or six month span. I guess the disappointment in Sega this year just shows how highly their games been regarded before, though I think their output during the Saturn and DC era's was taken for granted.
Shinobi said:Eh, plenty of games get outsourced. They originally made it, their name is on it, so it's their game. Getting technical over stuff like that is a fool's errand.
As for the first point, who the hell was Bungie to console gamers before this generation? Who was Team Ninja? Outside of DOA on the PSX and a handful of DOA arcade units, they had no presence in North America. Namco's last big 16 bit release here was WeaponLord, which perhaps 8 people bothered with. Square went from the Final Fantasy company to a third party juggernaut on PSX outside of Japan. Psygnosis had done little on the console landscape, but rode the Wipeout wave to huge success on PSX. I don't even need to mention Rockstar. Those examples are just off the top of my head.
Sega still clearly has presence, despite it being pretty mild. The sports games are selling, albeit at a cheap price. The Sonic anime draws as big a rating as any show on Fox kids. The Sonic games still sell pretty well, relative to other platformers. It isn't like they're dead. And they're FAR better off now then they were in late '98 and early '99, when aside from a few Model 2/Saturn ports on the PC game shelves they didn't even exist at retail level. Yet DC's launch was a huge success.
It doesn't matter how you finish when it comes to selling games...it simply matters how you start. If Sega can throw out a new Sonic, VF5, Sega Rally 3 and Phantasy Star Generations right off the jump that are visual sparklers and garner plenty of praise, they'll be right back with the big boys. The chances of that happening are far greater then they would be if they released such games now, when things have already been settled.
Shinobi said:You either buy the game enjoy it early, or you wait six months or a year and get version with some extras. Both scenarios have their advantages. No one forces anyone to buy a game or console when it comes out.
AniHawk said:There's already a topic about DC vs. early PS2. Go there if you want.
Sonic4ever: Sorry to upset you. I didn't single JUST you out either. Besides, my first comment towards you was an attempt at humor. I'm always 75% sarcastic/trying to crack a joke around here and many people still don't know that.
BuddyChrist83 said:How many systems is the Genesis / Sega CD / 32X again?
drohne said:anyone who's less likely to buy monkey ball 3 because the first two games are being ported to xbox and ps2 is an unbelievably petty twit. i think sega are going forward on the assumption that unbelievably petty twits are a tiny minority of even the gamecube audience, notwithstanding all the message board evidence to the contrary.
We'd still hit it.TekunoRobby said:
That is what's wrong with Sega.
norinrad21 said:hhehehehe you probably never understood the thinking of the Nintendo collective, Not myself but pretty much every Nintendo loyalist won`t let sega get away with this, you mark my words, they will get what they deserve.
Most of their games ONLY seem to sell and sell well to the Nintendo crowd, based on the fact that we dont want them to die and we feel we owe it to sega to buy their games due to all the great stuff they contributed to the 16bit era, but to continue to screw us over is something we wont deal with any longer and watch them pay for these stupid decisions in the few months ahead and straight into next gen
Call me a passionate Nintendo drone or any other crap i have a Saturn, DC, PS2 and will soon get an xbox but my love for Nintendo will never die
sonic4ever said:Square screwed over Nintendo, worst then Sega. Besides making a bad movie, Square has done well on PS1 and PS2. Square has made one Gamecube game, but that was with Nintendo's own money, and becuase Square wanted to work on the GBA. Sega has given the Gamcube better support then just one game like Square. I don't think the Nintendo fanboys have the power like they think. So I doubt Sega is worried about "screwing" over Nintendo as some people call it.
TheGreenGiant said:oh god. IAWTP. I don't understand why people were cross at ports for any reason other than that ports divert resources for new stuff. But this is SEGA and their new stuff is very ordinary at best.
bionic77 said:On a side note, even though most Sega games don't sell for shit on Xbox, don't their sports games sell better on Xbox then on PS2 or am I misinformed?
Mr_Furious said:Any TRUE Sega fan has all 3 systems. The rest of you are all bitter posers
M3wThr33 said:The best hockey game is NHL Hitz 2003.
Justin Bailey said:haha, well I'd rather have Billy Hatcher than some ol' hockey game. And I'm an "older, mature" person, so chew on that.
Damn straight.
DavidDayton said:I'm just saying that most folks aren't all that fond of hockey games... so I really didn't see how it was so impossible to imagine someone "denying" themself the game. Hockey is still a bit of a niche sports game, after all... I don't think it makes or breaks any platform to have it missing. Thus, I was rather amazed to see you seemingly making it such an important title when it came to choosing a system.
The best hockey game is NHL Hitz 2003.
We're supposed to blame ourselves for Sega not putting Monkey Ball DX on the GC when that's the console that supported the franchise?Fight for Freeform said:This goes to prove my point. You'd rather have some kiddy arcade action, compared to a die-hard simulation. I can't blame anyone claiming that the Nintendo userbase isn't as mature as the others.
Don't blame EA, blame... *c'mon, say it with me!* YOURSELVES!
I think the problem is Sega needs new leadership. The company is slowly slipping.enjoy bell woods said:I think the problem a lot of people here have is that they don't really understand what it's like to run a multimillion-dollar corporation.
Wow, so much animosity in this thread directed at Nintendo fans, WTF did we ever do? Dared to make the choice of buying a console that didn’t have a Sony or MS logo emblazoned on it? And for this choice we must be punished by arrogant third parties that think I'm going to buy a second and third console just to play their games, PIGS ARSE!!! listen up I'm the consumer and third parties you should be my bitch not the other way around. Here is a console that I own, if you want my money make some damn games for it, it's as simple as that.Fight for Freeform said:Don't blame SEGA, blame yourselves!