Then Capcom should have called it something other than DmC: Devil May Cry. They wanted to use the brand name as recognition, and that carries with it the burden of sharing the same brand name, and alienating people that enjoyed the previous games as a result.
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Why am I enjoying DMC (Devil May Cry) ?
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GenericUser
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First post nails it. Remember: never take gafs opinion as gospel and form your own opinion on games.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Yeah..... no:
A lot of DMC fans (myself included) bought the game day 1 and gave it a fair shake. I myself platinumed it (twice). It's a fun game and has some mechanics that I definitely wanna see in future entries (cross-combos being one of them).
But aside from combat (which still had a lot of problems as you can see in GE's post) the rest of the game wasn't that good. Devil May Cry never had a problem when it came to combat and mechanics. In fact DMC4 and DMC3 both have vastly better combat systems compared to DmC. Capcom brought NT so the game would have a better story and character have more depth. What they did with DmC's story and characters was laughably bad. So the end result was:
DmC: A decent combat system (which objectively had lesser depth than OG series) with a ridiculously bad story and forgettable characters
+ one of the worst PRs that I've ever seen in my life
So..... why didn't we get DMC5 in the first place?
FrostuTheNinja
Member
It's a competent action game but I'll never forget turning it off after that whole horseshit slow motion cutscene that went on for what felt like forever. There was tension, we get it.
BaraSailey
Member
DmC is a good game, that's why, haha. Story and character design issues aside, it's a lot of fun to play, especially on Turbo mode. I prefer the original DMC games because the combat feels much more deep (especially 4), but DmC is a solid character action game. I honestly wouldn't mind a sequel, but I want a proper sequel to DMC4 a lot more.
Pretty much, I'm probably the biggest fan of the original and still got DmC day one. Heck I got it day one on ps3, pc and ps4 lol. While it was fun it just wasn't the dmc I wanted.
Glass Rebel
Member
Hell, I remember the OT being mostly old DMC fans. So much about old fans not giving it a chance.
McStickenstein
Member
Don't mind the haters. It's got a different style but the game is great. You can debate the characters and story, but gameplay it's got.
Pretty sure most sales were from the old fans.
Don't know what part of Gaf you've been reading and it also depends which version you played, the original had a laundry list of issues which were apparently fixed in the definitive version even then when taken in isolation it's an okay game, but it's a shit DMC game (not the shittiest though) that took so many steps back from what the franchise is known for in excelling while not improving the things the franchise was known for lacking in (Dialogue and writing), which should have been Ninja Theory's forte but they fell short.
Still one of the most baffling reboots ever.
Still one of the most baffling reboots ever.
darkslayer101
Member
You can't just say it does things better than the entry everyone pretends doesn't even exist. Hell, DmC Devil May Cry even makes you fight a giant building too!
dragonzdogma
Member
Great post, but the dmc is still a very mediocre game compared to 3 or 4, which fans want capcom to top.
You can't just brush that off and call it a day.
It being a Devil May Cry game carries with it a certain set of expectations. Mechanical and gameplay chief among those. On that alone, the base game is an awful DMC game. That's to say nothing of the writing or encounter design or anything else.
Good action game does not equate to a good Devil May Cry game. It's an awful Devil May Cry game as far as I'm concerned. Divorce it from the lineage the name implies and you have a decent action game with some iffy writing. And so people don't accuse me of just hating on something different or new. Devil May Cry 2 doesn't even really succeed and being a good game (I'll give it some points for Dante's design though). So DmC isn't even the most awful Devil May Cry.
Ludger Kresnik
Member
DmC DE is a great action game with some fantastic art design, as long as you skip all the cutscenes. DMC never had good writing and was always goofy, but DmC was like next level tone deaf really up its own ass terribleness.
darkslayer101
Member
exactly.
To know that it took them 7 yrs since DMC4 to come out with DmC DE that is still not up to par in combat with 3 or 4 is disappointing to say the least.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
It really depends on how you approach the game. If you were really invested in the mechanics and/or really liked the characters from the OG series and couldn't get behind the new direction of either, then you'll probably not like it. If you found Devil May Cry too obtuse mechanically to get into before and/or enjoy the new story/art direction, you'll probably like it.
Mechanically, the original release back in 2013 was a massive let down: 30 fps, Demon Dodge shenanigans, crappier Angel Dodge, easy SSS ranks, Color-coded enemies only being damaged by specific weapons, Keys for secret doors, certain moves having an insane amount of active frames, wider parry windows, even more useless Devil Trigger, no manual lock, Bloody Palace being a downloadable, infinite air time with Angel Whip + Jump, no rank decay past S, lack of difficulty even on highest settings... the list goes on.
To me, story wise, I'll stick by what I've said before: DmC tries way too hard to be cutting and relevant and merely ends up being high school edge because of it. It doesn't deep dive on any of the topics it purports to be about and just uses them to prop up the overall edginess (which they actually try to tone down in the Definitive Edition by taking out an entire part of a scene as well as a few lines of dialogue from what I can tell including the line "Donkey Punch"). It utterly falls apart the second you put a bit of thought into what is actually going on.
Vergil's Downfall is actively nonsense.
Mechanically, the original release back in 2013 was a massive let down: 30 fps, Demon Dodge shenanigans, crappier Angel Dodge, easy SSS ranks, Color-coded enemies only being damaged by specific weapons, Keys for secret doors, certain moves having an insane amount of active frames, wider parry windows, even more useless Devil Trigger, no manual lock, Bloody Palace being a downloadable, infinite air time with Angel Whip + Jump, no rank decay past S, lack of difficulty even on highest settings... the list goes on.
To me, story wise, I'll stick by what I've said before: DmC tries way too hard to be cutting and relevant and merely ends up being high school edge because of it. It doesn't deep dive on any of the topics it purports to be about and just uses them to prop up the overall edginess (which they actually try to tone down in the Definitive Edition by taking out an entire part of a scene as well as a few lines of dialogue from what I can tell including the line "Donkey Punch"). It utterly falls apart the second you put a bit of thought into what is actually going on.
Vergil's Downfall is actively nonsense.
At least when I thought it was all metaphorically in Vergil's mind it was merely completely unsubtle and completely unlikable. The fact it actually happens in hell? Complete nonsense.
So what you're saying is that...its a Devil May Cry Game
FaintColt388301
Member
Loved it too. My first DMC game.
I ad a blast with it and can't wait to go play the others.
I ad a blast with it and can't wait to go play the others.
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Deleted member 325805
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Well I liked RE6 more than RE4 and Fallout 4 more than New Vegas, so I'm basically public enemy number around here, but at the end of the day the only review that matters is your own.
toastyToast
Member
Nah it had some serious balancing issues that were addressed in the DE. It wasn't a particularly good combat sandbox and the bosses sucked for the most part.
You have to understand, people were expecting the follow-up to DMC4 which had a pretty good base to make a sequel from. Then this reboot was announced
But then the people who want the latter wouldn't be happy, as the former may as well have just been made instead in such a scenario.
Jangowuzhere
Banned
I will forever be dismayed by the people who find DmC a mediocre game and then immediately defend DMC4 as if it was some kind of masterpiece
DMC4 was disappointing trash at release. Outside the fun Bloody Palace mode, everything else about that game was pretty damn lame.
DMC4 was disappointing trash at release. Outside the fun Bloody Palace mode, everything else about that game was pretty damn lame.
Isaac Otherworld
Member
It's not the worst game ever made so someone is bound to enjoy it. For a Devil May Cry game it's certainly no DMC2, but it still can't stand in the same room as 1&3&4.
OmnipotentO
Member
Trailers really did the game no favors but the game itself was legit good. Dante not as insufferable as people made him seem. i enjoyed the game quite a bit.
I really appreciate this.
John Paul v2
Neo Member
It's easy to enjoy because it's an instantly gratifying experience that whizzes you through some gorgeously designed and dynamic environments. The bulk of the criticism is of the combat, that it's shallow and easy relative to previous DMC games.
Basically, with DMC 3 and 4, they aren't really campaign based games where you slog through for the story and then pop the game back on your shelf. They're like virtual martial arts that take significant amounts of time to master. You feel compelled to replay individual missions until every encounter is handled in the most efficient and creative way. What this results in is a sense of samurai-like mastery, style and badassery.
This is why when people complain about the re-use of environments in DMC4 I think they're missing the point, because the combat encounters and character playstyles are the real meat of a DMC game, and not the visual assets.
Basically, with DMC 3 and 4, they aren't really campaign based games where you slog through for the story and then pop the game back on your shelf. They're like virtual martial arts that take significant amounts of time to master. You feel compelled to replay individual missions until every encounter is handled in the most efficient and creative way. What this results in is a sense of samurai-like mastery, style and badassery.
This is why when people complain about the re-use of environments in DMC4 I think they're missing the point, because the combat encounters and character playstyles are the real meat of a DMC game, and not the visual assets.
Giraffe Keighley
Member
A great Devil May Cry!!!
Jangowuzhere
Banned
Except they also shoved in shitty level design, awful platforming sections, and horrible puzzles into those environments. The meat of a game like Bayonetta is also the combat, but that game doesn't feel the need to waste your time with bad fluff when it paces out its adventure.
The complaints about the campaign in DMC4 are completely valid. The combat is good, but the crappiness of everything else wears it down.
ForkNetwork
Banned
Because its good
It aint the best hack and slash in the world, but some of the levels are enjoyable and the weapons aint half bad
It aint the best hack and slash in the world, but some of the levels are enjoyable and the weapons aint half bad
Kenzodielocke
Banned
It's the third best Devil May Cry game, some people are just too freaking hurt to admit that.
First post rule, once again.
I totally agree, it's just a crazy fun, well executed game AND a kick-ass Devil May Cry.
Also, the soundtrack is fucking amazing.
The gameplay is a lot of fun in the DE.
The story is straight garbage though. I actually like the new Dante, but he's underserved by a really poor script. I know story was never the series' strong point, but at least the previous games were somewhat tongue-in-cheek. DmC feels like a 12-year-olds attempt at a serious, adult script.
The story is straight garbage though. I actually like the new Dante, but he's underserved by a really poor script. I know story was never the series' strong point, but at least the previous games were somewhat tongue-in-cheek. DmC feels like a 12-year-olds attempt at a serious, adult script.