On the other hand, they wouldn't have posted it if it was completely meaningless.
As of now we don't know anything either way though.
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Wii U hacked?
- Thread starter Risette
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On the other hand, they wouldn't have posted it if it was completely meaningless.
As of now we don't know anything either way though.
cyberheater
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Would love to play SM64 on that gamepad screen.
homebrew would be cool (glorious gamepad emulation) but the piracy that inevitably comes along with it definitely isn't.
way too many great games on DS and Wii suffered due to piracy, would be nice to avoid the same fate on the Wii-U.
they've kept the 3DS locked up quite well thus far so.. we'll see.
way too many great games on DS and Wii suffered due to piracy, would be nice to avoid the same fate on the Wii-U.
they've kept the 3DS locked up quite well thus far so.. we'll see.
I think it's an SHA-1 hash of the key that marcan & co has done themselves isn't it? They didn't post the key yet, just a hash of it that they made. or something. I dunno what this means.
Then prove it. I've seen no evidence to support the claim that the 3DS has been hacked.
Well, I'm hoping if this results in more harm than good that revealing anything this early in the Wii U's life means they can swiftly slap down some strong damage control and make it a relative non-issue, but we'll see. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the strong online focus was the strongest deterrent, the PS3 got blown wide open, yet it doesn't seem like there's been THAT much focus on homebrew, and similar for the 360 (I'm not even sure there IS homebrew there, just straight up piracy). If they can easily ban online over that then the online features alone could make it unappealing to be a popular pirating option.
As far as I understand, Wii security was conceptually sound - there was an oversight that blew the door wide open, but Twiizers never made the low level hacks public. And it seems Nintendo didn't find (all of) them, so fail0verflow, which consists of people who have in-depth knowledge of old Wii security issues, already had a foot in the door from day one. That's quite different from the 3DS, which is an evolution of a system that was never properly hacked either.
Choppasmith
Member
Hot dog! Great to hear! Now if USB loader doesn't work does Riivolution or does that require custom ios as well?
8bitForLife
Member
I hope the wiiu isn't hacked for a year or 2. If its hacked now, it doesn't sound too good for 3rd party support whats left of it. Even though they should of just region locked nintendo made games left the others alone and would like the region lock gone I'm not wanting a hacked wiiu atm.
I think it's an SHA-1 hash of the key that marcan & co has done themselves isn't it? They didn't post the key yet, just a hash of it that they made. or something. I dunno what this means.
A sha-1 hash can be generated from any file, not from some encyption key.
We know that Marcan already hacked native mode, and he seems involved in fail0verflow.
Fredrik
Member
It depends on if the hackers are into piracy or not. If they unlock the door to piracy then it's most likely bye bye third party support since the platform hasn't in any way taken off yet saleswise. But region unlocking will most likely help with the sales since games aren't released simultaneously worldwide. Piracy do help with the system sales though so you never know if that may increase third party interest.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
If this is indeed a hack of the Wii U mode, would this be the fastest hack ever in history?
Serves Nintendo right for insisting on region locking the system.
Serves Nintendo right for insisting on region locking the system.
sakipon
Member
After the Sony cases everyone knows allowing imports won't protect anyone.
Haha, they would have done that regardless of region locks, as much as they want you to believe hackers are not superheroes, they do this for exposure, even if it means opening the whole door for pirates.
I was able to play online games and buy from the Shop Channel just fine on my hacked Wii.
Well they could save the key in a file and make an SHA-1 hash out of that.
I'm just joking at this point
They aren't supervillains like corporate apologists would have you believe either.
One look at their blog would tell you that they just enjoy breaking security. Why else would they bother with stuff like this? http://fail0verflow.com/blog/2012/cve-2012-0217-intel-sysret-freebsd.html
godofearthx
Neo Member
The Wii U is protected in a similar way as the 3DS but with another layer of protection. It won't be possible to use back ups except if the drive is firmware/hardware modded. That solution has yet to come.
whitelighter89
Neo Member
It's only been released. Hilarious...
abstract alien
Member
I hope so. Even if piracy was tempting for me, the (hopefully) loss of online functionality with Miiverse and multiplayer would deter enough to not cause a real impact. Of course, Nintendo's stance on how their account based system works could push some toward piracy as well. Maybe they can make the right moves in time to remedy the issue. If their is an actual issue with this particular instance.
No.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
I'm not saying it would have.
I am having I have literally zero sympathy for Nintendo that the Wii U was hacked less than a month into its launch and the reason I have no sympathy is because they region locked it.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
I don't know. The Wii Us CPU is literally an over clocked Wii CPU with edram added to it. I haven't heard that the Wii U has a second GPU to run Wii games and if that's the case, then the Wii Us GPU also has all the same core hardware components found in the Wiis GPU.
If so, being able to emulate and upconvert Wii games with a hack of the Wii U mode may be doable.
ioriyagami
Member
It can also be generated from a encryption key. Or from a short word (password). But both don't make much sense to me in this situation
Starwolf_UK
Member
I think it goes back the NES days where they made it (in a physical sense, though in Europe had chip lockouts too because Europe was two regions*) to keep control of what games came out (remember the crash happened due to saturated market) and also being able to co-ordinate marking etc (wouldn't really work if everyone imported, yes there were converters available but people were largely kept ignorant of these).
Now the official excuse is age ratings. Though the real reason is still financial of not wanting to be undercut or have to compete with their subsidiaries. Plus the whole wholesale thing (maybe it says all you need to know about Europe if it can be cheaper for a retailer to import and pay import duty on goods than it is to buy off the official wholeseller).
*-And you thought today's region locking was messed up. It was due to different companies distributing in different countries and didn't want their software working on the competitors hardware.
Well, we'll probably be able to softmod it to run digital games soon though.
RIP third party
but yeah, not interested if it is a cat and mouse game via firmware updates.
test_account
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I might be mistaken, but iPhone was hacked in less than two weeks. iPad was also hacked on day one i think, but that is runing iOS as well, so i'm sure if that (regarding hacking a new system) counts on the same level.
sakipon
Member
We can thank these fellas when downloading a 7GB maximum security lockdown patch in the next weeks.
Or we could thank Nintendo for having the vulnerability in the first place, and then doing its job to close it.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well if they could get a Wii emulator running, then...
Stephen Colbert
Banned
Can anyone with more knowledge of emulation confirm my theory.
I was under impression that you typically need much more powerful consoles to emulate old consoles because the architecture is always so different.
However, from the info we have on the Wii U, there is no second CPU or second GPU in it for the purpose of Wii emulation. This suggests that the main Wii U CPU already has all of the same architecture as the Wiis CPU but with more power, a higher clock speed and edram. Likewise, the main Wii U GPU already has all of the same architecture as the Wiis GPU but with a lot more shaders and pipelines and a higher clock speed.
If that's the case, a fully hacked Wii U both emulating and up converting Wii games should be doable, no?
I was under impression that you typically need much more powerful consoles to emulate old consoles because the architecture is always so different.
However, from the info we have on the Wii U, there is no second CPU or second GPU in it for the purpose of Wii emulation. This suggests that the main Wii U CPU already has all of the same architecture as the Wiis CPU but with more power, a higher clock speed and edram. Likewise, the main Wii U GPU already has all of the same architecture as the Wiis GPU but with a lot more shaders and pipelines and a higher clock speed.
If that's the case, a fully hacked Wii U both emulating and up converting Wii games should be doable, no?
Elfforkusu
Member
Doable or possible doesn't imply that it will ever actually happen -- and it's fair to say it won't. Uprendering is in the realm of software emulation, which is to say dolphin-emu on your computer and that's it. Too much time/effort to pull it off, and too little incentive to do so. I mean, consider: the reason dolphin-emu requires crazy clockspeeds is that it's an inherently hobbyist project. With more effort, it could run on lesser hardware, like, for example, the WiiU. But that extra effort isn't going to manifest itself, because if Nintendo didn't find it worthwhile enough to spend money on, who is?
That said, Wii games look preeeeetty good via WiiU on my HDTV. Outputs at 1080p, upscaling is solid. About a million times better than my TV's upscaler, that's for sure.
Triple Da G.O.D!
Member
Wrong system. You want the portable one.
Pancakes R Us
Member
This. Please hack the shit out of this system. Let us do so much more than Nintendo is not allowing us to do. Cannot wait.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
I doubt Nintendo has any idea where the vulnerability lies.
My understanding is this hack happened so fast because the people that originally hacked the Wii never actually revealed where the vulnerability is and as a result Nintendo never did fix that vulnerability in the Wii U either. That's why there isn't any revision of the Wii that can't be hacked and you can still use the eshop and play online games with a hacked Wii.
If that's the case and these guys continue to keep it a secret, it's possible that Nintendo has no idea how to even fix it.
Refreshment.01
Member
Imagine if HomeBrew turns out to be the saving grace for the system, because as of right now is not so hot.
I don't think being banned from the Miiverse would deter anyone at this rate. It's not like a Live/PSN deal where I would actually care if my account was shut down.
If we have another Wii situation where NOA are being stingy with releases (that Nintendo themselves funded), and my option for making the Wii U region free resulted in my NNID being banned (not like I can take it off the system, so who cares?) I'll go with the option to play more video games every time.
phosphor112
Banned
Uh oh... that's not good. Hopefully their HDD file system and optical drive prevents people from ripping games to their HDD...
If this is any indication of where the problem is, Nintendo can fix it in no time.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
They've stated they plan to release GameCube games on the Wii U via Virtual Console right? If so, that means it can emulate gamecube games (likely due to sharing the same underlying architecture). I would be happy just to see atleast GameCube games emulated, unconverted to 1080p and also simultaneously displayed on the tablet controller.
I think they're just running it with the extra hardware turned off. So no re-rendering games at 720p/1080p native.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
If this gets me VC on the GamePad, I'm in.
ColdBlooder
Banned
People will do "other" things with a hacked Wii U and cover it in the cloak of "YAY Region free!"............
Can you elaborate?