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Wii U hacked?
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What does this mean?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I'm still trying to figure that out...
That both systems aren't hacked yet? At least there native modes....
Well neither one has been hacked, it just kinds of feel like they reached a turning point with the latest generation of systems whereby genius kids in bedrooms are no longer enough to break it.
What about this thread changed your mind?
Hacked already?
Ha. i cant even get online with my main wi-fi connection, even after the update and f*cking around with the IP settings etc
lucky for me, my house has a secondary wi-fi connection with another company, that works! (only with wep disabled ) although it's a shitty 2 meg compared to my 60mb main
Ha. i cant even get online with my main wi-fi connection, even after the update and f*cking around with the IP settings etc
lucky for me, my house has a secondary wi-fi connection with another company, that works! (only with wep disabled ) although it's a shitty 2 meg compared to my 60mb main
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I was stumped over the word "console" in comparison to "handheld".
Lol
So someone said eariler that nintendo has to release a new console by 2015 because of this? Could it really be that bad?
KojiKnight
Member
Err... about that... Both 3DS and Vita have their BC modes fully hacked, and there have been a few big names in the PSP "scene" who've more or less confirmed that they have at least some code running access to Vita, likely in "user" mode... they just aren't released to the public yet.
test_account
XP-39C²
Who? I know about Yifan Lu (not sure that he is big in the PSP scene though), but who are the others?
There's a difference between taking advantage of existing exploits that are there due to backwards compatibility, and actually hacking the native operating environment. Unless something has changed on that front, at least with the 3DS.
Wait for E3, Nintendo will show off its next gen console. They can sweep wiiU under the rug like virtual boy.
Anyway until the system is hacked in wiiU mode it's not really hacked. 3DS was hacked to play DS games really fast but the 3DS part remains unscathed.
It wouldn't matter anyway. Nintendo throttles all their connections off their server.
That's not really true, old hacks work in the emulated environments because they didn't have a safe way of just removing the hack without it possibly affecting compatibility, and the emulated environments are so safely sand-boxed that it poses no risk to the parent operating system and the system kernals.
Nintendo just needs an update making the WiiU regionfree and being able to install games to external storage and I'd be not interested in hacks anymore.
What good is a quiet console if its optical media drive makes it unbearably loud? I was positively surprised how nice WiiU is, but then I inserted NintendoLand.
These two reasons drove me to Wii hackery, finally being able to use the disc trapped in its beautiful black case and then even without the loud noise of the drive. It was a wonderful day.
What good is a quiet console if its optical media drive makes it unbearably loud? I was positively surprised how nice WiiU is, but then I inserted NintendoLand.
These two reasons drove me to Wii hackery, finally being able to use the disc trapped in its beautiful black case and then even without the loud noise of the drive. It was a wonderful day.
I recall the group "Legacy" stating that they managed to break copy protection on 3DS and play back the games they dumped; and they stated something like "just wait for the chinese cart manufacturers to figure it out themselves" - so apparently it is not just possible, it already happened.
There's no emulation going on, Wii games run "on the metal".
Just like an i7 can run code originally written for a Pentium 3, the Wii U CPU can run code written for the Wii CPU. The GPU also is likely to have a "Wii mode", just like the PS2 GPU: it has all the commands and functions necessary to run the past console's games.
At most, there might be some leftover Wii U code running on a separate core which intercepts some memory accesses and the GPU might do some extra babysitting behind the scenes (to upscale, as example), but it's not close to emulation at all.
Theoretical VC Gamecube games might be merely modified binaries wrapped inside native Wii U applications, like the 3DS GBA games are.
AFAIK this only worked for one game (Splinter Cell) and the method cannot be applied directly to other games: there seems to be some sort of hardware authentication that changes from game to game. Even if they do manage to make a cart that works for all games, you'll only ever be able to have a single game on the cart at once, since there's no way to run a loader menu (which would be unsigned code).
KojiKnight
Member
SKFU (who's also big in the PS3 scene) and Wololo. Wololo.net is a good place to keep up on Vita hacks.
Also SKFU has access to a Vita dev kit http://wololo.net/2012/11/17/skfu-g...s-vulnerabilities-that-could-help-hacking-it/
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RoyalFool: It's a misunderstanding to think that sandboxed means secure... Wii mode was hacked from GCN's sand box. Lots of vita information was discovered via the PSP's sandbox (including the fact that it's achieved via the "Kermit" API, and how parts of the memory are stored/accessed). You can learn a lot about a host system via a sandboxed environment... it's impossible to turn everything off or else there would be no way to get back
friskykillface
Banned
whoa, forgot about that.
my super metroid and super mario rpg on my wii vc is begging to be played on the gamepad.
i need itwonder if they could get N64 vc games on the gamepad too.
You're thinking of the "Crown3DS" team. Legacy got something different, apparently. Not public, of course.
SKFU (who's also big in the PS3 scene) and Wololo. Wololo.net is a good place to keep up on Vita hacks.
Also SKFU has access to a Vita dev kit http://wololo.net/2012/11/17/skfu-g...s-vulnerabilities-that-could-help-hacking-it/
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RoyalFool: It's a misunderstanding to think that sandboxed means secure... Wii mode was hacked from GCN's sand box. Lots of vita information was discovered via the PSP's sandbox (including the fact that it's achieved via the "Kermit" API, and how parts of the memory are stored/accessed). You can learn a lot about a host system via a sandboxed environment... it's impossible to turn everything off or else there would be no way to get back
Correct, but it's entirely possible to prevent rogue software from moving upstream if you have access control on at CPU level. Example: code being executed from memory range A cannot read/write data in memory range B.
Ah, I see. Anyway, creating single-game flashcarts is something I expected to have happened much sooner: the cart talks to the system via an interface, so it would be only a matter of replicating all the responses returned by the cart and the system would have no way to know it's talking to a fake (essentially, a "Chinese Room") . That Nintendo somehow managed to delay this deserves a commendation... and also leaves me confused as to how could they mess things up with the Wii U given the gained experience.
test_account
XP-39C²
Thanks for the link. I've read that article before, SKFU only said that there are vulnerabilities that might let one bypass the 90 day devkit activation, not anything about runing unsigned code on a retail Vita as far as i can see. No offense to SKFU at all, but i dont think he is really concidered as a big guy in the hacking scene. He might be known by name, but he has not come up with any breakthrough hacks as far as i know.
I usually read wololo.net, but i havnt seen that Wololo had said that he has anything. Anymore info on this?
If it's on the Game Pad, it won't be for me in the slightest.
I hear it's also released on NES.
and IOS. And Wii VC
Edit: whoops, looks like my sarcasm detector was malfunctioning.
Playing 1:1 dumps isn't interesting though. Running your own code is. That's what the homebrewers are after so they can run their own code. That's what the pirates are after since it allows you to make a loader that can load multiple images off one disc and strip out useless data to fit more games on one.
I never said it was, I just wanted to point out the current state of affairs.
Refreshment.01
Member
What-s going to happen is human nature
You seem detached from such species, these questions makes you look a bit naive.
Stephen Colbert
Banned
I still own all of my favorite games from the SNES/Genesis/PS1/N64 eras
I love those games and get nostalgic every time I play them. But not to the point where I can justify buying a ton of adapters to have all those system still hooked up to my tv, having them take up a ton of space and still having to blow on them just to get them to work.
That's why I like being able to emulate all my favorite games from back then on newer consoles. I am sure I'm not alone.
KojiKnight
Member
This... it's not especially hard to create backups of games you own, and I have a mess of NES/SNES carts LITERALLY this second right beside me if you'd like me to take a picture of
Most dumping hardware is $50~ range... cheaper often than buying a replacement console.
It's not going to be a hash of the key, folks. It's likely they've written up some basic details of a hack, and posted up a hash of that write-up for insurance. If anyone else publicly hacks it before they do their full reveal in 8 days, then failoverflow can simply post that write-up online to prove that they'd already done so. It allows them to try to get something more impressive done (say a proper demo with working gamepad support) for their reveal without having to worry about getting scooped.
Yeah, that sounds like it could be a possibility.
KojiKnight
Member
More likely I think with a hash tag (adding too that they had to update it because "they left a lot of garbage data), it's likely the hash of full flash dump or firmware dump.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
I wish 1337 haxzors would just speak english.
Yeah, it's not a hash of some "hacking writeup", that would be irrelevant.
CrunchyFrog
Member
Has anyone done any interesting tinkering with the controller? IIRC it's just using standard wifi N chips yes? The only trick it would seem would be reversing whatever magic transfer protocol they have running under the hood. This will get way cool once it gets unlocked for PC use. I honestly couldn't care less really about homebrew besides region free functionality in a select few cases
Nintendo and Broadcom worked on a proprietary protocol which uses the Miracast standard, which is built on top of Wifi Direct. Wifi Direct's still a very new technology with very few devices supporting it, so it'll be a while before we see anything come out of it. Even if they do manage to establish a pairing with the controller, it'll take a lot of effort to ensure it streams content as fast as the WiiU does, which is by far the fastest Wifi Direct device on the market today. It's really cutting edge technology.
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
And some people use cars to kill others. Doesn't mean we should stop making cars.
Fredrik
Member
No kidding Xbox Live isn't even close of being as important as having WiiU online as far as I'm concerned. Region free would be sweet though since I live in europe. And VC games on the gamepad would be awesome. But seriously using WiiU offline only would be like... like... I can't even come up with a comparison stupid enough, I'd rather not use the console at all.
Anyhow, judging by the percentage of friends who have bought a second system just to pirate stuff on PSP, Wii, DS, 360 etc I think this hack will at least increase system sales. Software sales on the other hand...
cyberheater
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What?
You said.
And I'm saying the evidence is that the WiiU has been hacked before the 3DS.
AndyMoogle
Member
Except we haven't seen any evidence of it yet.