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'X-Men: Dark Phoenix' to be "grounded"
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Frozenprince
Banned
Watch Vulcan be the main villain too because "it makes more sense" or some dumb crap.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Lilandra isn't the villain of the Dark Phoenix Saga. Sebastian Shaw, Mastermind, Emma Frost and the Phoenix force itself are.
The reason an intergalactic alien empire gets involved is because Jean's existence is a threat to the entire universe, you can't ground the story and have the same impact.
Please keep Gladiator out of this if you're going to have him job to Mystique or Angel.
If you feel like watching a good adaptation, watch the 90s animated series. Aside from toning down the violence a tad and replacing Peter/Nightcrawler with Gambit/Rogue, it's a fantastic retelling of the original story.
The reason an intergalactic alien empire gets involved is because Jean's existence is a threat to the entire universe, you can't ground the story and have the same impact.
Please keep Gladiator out of this if you're going to have him job to Mystique or Angel.
If you feel like watching a good adaptation, watch the 90s animated series. Aside from toning down the violence a tad and replacing Peter/Nightcrawler with Gambit/Rogue, it's a fantastic retelling of the original story.
Nightwing123
Member
Weird decision since the Phoenix is cosmic level entity but if the movie ends up being well made then I'm completely fine with this.
ANything involving the Morlocks?
MugiwaraCole
Member
I don't understand why people keep seeing these movies.
You don't ground the fucking X-Men. Certainly not a Phoenix storyline.
You don't ground the fucking X-Men. Certainly not a Phoenix storyline.
Frozenprince
Banned
A lot of New Mutants is p grounded.
...thats just a reused photo from ApocalypseAlmost 20 years after the 1st film and we're still doing this black leather bullshit
Have they even started filming Dark Phoenix?
Nemesis121
Member
Train wreck in the making....
Pandora012
Member
To be honest, this was a train wreck in the making before this bit of news.
Yeah, from what I understand, it'll only feature a FUCKING PSYCHIC DEMON BEAR
Violence Jack
Member
So they want to make an adaptation of Dark Phoenix and not have it "too intergalactic", yet still plans to include the Shi'ar empire?
It already sounds like ass.
It already sounds like ass.
autumnleaf
Member
They handled the Phoenix terribly in Apocalypse so I don't hold much hope for this.
What is that from?
BoogieWoogie
Banned
"My name is Lilandra Xavier, Charles' ex-wife and owner of Shiar Corp. The Phoenix as you call it was a genetic experimental procedure where we tried to fuse Jean Grey with a bird."
Frozenprince
Banned
Obviously at this point the writer who penned Last Stand who's now penning this thinks his idea is GEEEENIUS
allenpergallon
Member
So....X3?
Or does "not intergalactic" mean the Shi'ar will be fromthe moon Jupiter or something.
...it's probably X3.
Or does "not intergalactic" mean the Shi'ar will be from
...it's probably X3.
I can't wait for IT, my favorite comic book.
Frozenprince
Banned
The X-Men movies are written by people that hate the X-Men
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Almost 20 years after the 1st film and we're still doing this black leather bullshit
They had to pack in the other costume idea when it was decided not to go too intergalactic.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
This is what ya'll get for making Logan a success.
I'm not hatin.
Dash_Riprock
Member
They learned NOTHING from Fant4stic.
Holy shit...
Holy shit...
I think the only good X-Men films are the ones that explore human fear and resentment towards mutants, terrorism vs pacifism etc and don't focus too much on blowing up skyscrapers and shit. Apocalypse was a big dumb turd that tried to marry the grounded Singer style with an OTT Avengers plot and it failed completely. I personally just tune out when these superhero films start invoking celestial beings, aliens etc, because most of the time the human drama is sacrificed for the sake of spectacle and the characters and their personal struggles become secondary.
Films like Spider-Man 2, TDK and Logan build the story around the characters struggles to live a meaningful life outside their heroics, Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne and Logan have to pay a heavy price for being heroes and they always feel real. It is not easy for them to do what they do. Apocalypse was just 2 hours of nonsense where a bunch of CGI mutant powers are thrown around until the credits roll. If they are readjusting the franchise to be more like the Logan than Apocalypse, I'm all for it.
Films like Spider-Man 2, TDK and Logan build the story around the characters struggles to live a meaningful life outside their heroics, Peter Parker, Bruce Wayne and Logan have to pay a heavy price for being heroes and they always feel real. It is not easy for them to do what they do. Apocalypse was just 2 hours of nonsense where a bunch of CGI mutant powers are thrown around until the credits roll. If they are readjusting the franchise to be more like the Logan than Apocalypse, I'm all for it.
Maybe they should make the whole movie a big cloudy blob that people look at without having to think too hard about. Maybe the director comes to each theater and helps people eat popcorn, scoops it directly into mouths, etc. Maybe drives them to/from the theater as well (could get lost).
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
More grounded? Less intergalactic? Fuck off with that shit.
It was expected, but still.
It was expected, but still.
Barely Lethal.
Lilandra isn't the villain of the Dark Phoenix Saga. Sebastian Shaw, Mastermind, Emma Frost and the Phoenix force itself are.
The reason an intergalactic alien empire gets involved is because Jean's existence is a threat to the entire universe, you can't ground the story and have the same impact.
Please keep Gladiator out of this if you're going to have him job to Mystique or Angel.
If you feel like watching a good adaptation, watch the 90s animated series. Aside from toning down the violence a tad and replacing Peter/Nightcrawler with Gambit/Rogue, it's a fantastic retelling of the original story.
Gladiator only jobs to Phoenix. "The great Gladiator! How I have missed the pleasure of thrashing you!"
Making Jean destroy an uninhabited planet instead of killing 5 billion people was pretty much a necessity because of S&P, but I thought it introduced an even more compelling moral quandary. As Beast put it, "Jean has committed no crime, has injured no one.
Yet, we are asked to allow her to be destroyed to prevent the possible future crimes of another." Killing someone who's already taken 5 billion lives felt like a no-brainer, but killing someone because he or she has the potential for such destruction is a much more interesting dilemma.
Despite the censorship, I did like that they snuck in a reference to "Plan Omega" without fully explaining what it entailed. In the comics it was clear that Lilandra planned to destroy the entire solar system to make sure Phoenix was dealt with.
George Oscar Bluth II
Banned
No.Great news as far as I'm concerned.
This is X-Men grounded:
And this is X-Men hammy:
I'll fucking take grounded any day of the week.
Logan is a good movie. Apocalypse is a bad movie. It's in the execution.
Great news as far as I'm concerned.
This is X-Men grounded:
And this is X-Men hammy:
I'll fucking take grounded any day of the week.
what you want is Logan
what you're probably going to get is X-Men Origins: Wolverine
_Final_Phoenix_
Member
"Grounded" is the new "dark and edgy"
Crankshaft
Member
They already did Phoenix, cant we have Mojo or something new?
Dark Ninja
Member
No Costumes. No Fun.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
It's crazy we still haven't gotten Mr. Sinister.
Except when they can put Olivia Munn in a revealing outfit. That's when they are A-OK with going with traditional comic costumes.Almost 20 years after the 1st film and we're still doing this black leather bullshit
digitalrelic
Banned
The original Bryan Singer X-Men was also pretty grounded for it's time, and it worked out great. Even X-Men 2 was somewhat grounded compared to First Class/DofP/Apocalypse. No reason pulling away from the cheesiness can't work.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
This is basically going to be Power Rangers, isn't it?
Wasn't he teased in the post-credits scene of DOFP or Apocalypse?
wasn't it Olivia Munn who kinda pressed for having the original costume? Or am I misremembering stuff.
I will never enjoy the X-Men team up movies as long as they don't embrace that they are fucking comic book movies and should at least adapt their Designs to it.
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