So why are you making a big deal about this then?
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Xbox Live Apps no longer behind paywall coming?
- Thread starter Miles X
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So why are you making a big deal about this then?
Mugatu
Member
Well you say that and it's sort of true but I went through periods of not playing any mutliplayer for months and only used my Gold for playing Netflix on my TV so it's sort of false as well (I never set out to do this but that's what happened)
Jawmuncher
Member
Hope it's true MS needs to radically rethink the value of Gold and apps that should already be free does more harm than good.
Maybe their "vision" is in "development" and will be "revealed" at E3?
3rdamention
Member
You can still get free shipping on many items. Your analogy really doesn't make sense. It would be like saying you have to pay the Post Office an extra $50 a month for some service, just to use your $99 Amazon Prime account. You don't have to pay an extra fee, on top of the $99 a year, just to use Amazon Prime.
Its just like how you have to pay for Xbox Live about $50 annually, to use your Amazon Instant Video account on your Xbox, which you are already paying $99 a year for. You are paying an extra fee for Live, just to get access to the other subscriptions you are already paying for.
It was just an example but yeah, I see that happening first, if anything, with 3rd party services possibly to follow.
This. Besides, with the money MS makes from XBL at the present, I wouldn't be surprised if this never happens.
styl3s
Member
But what's stopping me from going over to my friends house who doesn't give a shit about Netflix and using his Gold account so i can get Netflix cheaper and just stream it to my PS3, PS4, Roku, WDTV, ipad, S4 etc.? Is it a special netflix account that only works on xbox? Because i would rather pay a few more dollars and stream it anywhere. And if i don't play video games online why would i pay $60 a year to get $3 off netflix when i go months without using it?
Completely agree.
Why should we praise them for doing something that every other company in the world has been doing for years? Oh, thank you great king for allowing me to access these apps i already pay money for without having to pay you to access them! So wonderful and kind of you!
They should of never been behind the paywall to begin with.
Nightengale
Member
Boycott and praise are 2 different words with 2 different meanings.
Removing app paywall is definitely not praise-worthy in my opinion. These kind of things are contextual.
Allowing self-publishing on Xbox? Not-praiseworthy. But free Unity? Very praise-worthy.
Mugatu
Member
Return of the Xbox Live Diamond card. Seriously the physical card itself was cool but I got ZERO discounts from it.
I still have mine - yeah, never did anything but for a while I carried it with pride.
You wouldn't, that's why it's an option/incentive.
Making a big deal of what? It's still news, good news. My point was Amazon are suggesting people are buying gold for Netflix and that's not the case.
Explain how it makes sense. Because I don't see it and neither do the two other people you quoted.
It's not news. Nothing is confirmed at all. It's a vague tweet. And your point about Amazon's trolling of Microsoft isn't even a point because you can't possibly make such a statement with the information we have.
Mike Double U
Banned
Phil has been at the helm for six days now...
Not to mention a lot of these "ideas" Xbox has acted on already via OS updates this year. They're already righting the ship and once Phil settles in I'm sure we'll see that Xbox is in better hands. Give him time. He's already mentioned games in these six days more than Mattrick ever did.
Because I used to pay a certain amount just to get my unlimited free shipping on Amazon. Then they increased the price to bundle in video, which I don't want or need, but I still have to pay for because I still want the fast shipping. Make sense? I just think it's slightly ironic on their part to say that.
styl3s
Member
The whole point of my argument is what is the value of gold if you don't play online games.
You replied Netflix discount, why would i spend $60 a month to get $3 off? I end up spending like $30 more a year for netflix, that isn't real incentive.
Impeccable
Member
It's possible they are aiming for a 'for the gamers' E3 type event to emulate Sony last year. And I'm taking issue with plans and ideas from both significant parties, I'm overwhelmingly disappointed in the software updates for the PS4.
Nightengale
Member
It's a non-committal Phil Spencer tweet that vaguely implies changes.
I agree that this change is very likely, ( because app paywall was dumb to begin with ) but it's not really news, just as much as Spencer talking about KoToR : Anniversary and bringing up various old IPs on Twitter being 'news.'
Because it makes the value proposition stronger than it is today.
You can still get two day shipping without Prime though as others have said. The point others are making is accessing other companies' subscription based services does not require anything on Amazon's devices but it does on the Xbox currently. What you're saying doesn't discount that, and even if it was a valid comparison, wouldn't change it. Being hypocritical doesn't mean you're wrong, it just means you're inconsistent.
Return of the Xbox Live Diamond card. Seriously the physical card itself was cool but I got ZERO discounts from it.
While mostly useless they had a few great deals. Buy one get one free on Quiznos Subs that you could use over and over for the first few months. I got fat as fuck from taking advantage of that.
styl3s
Member
This argument is just flying right over your head isn't it?
Let me try to rephrase my statement and explain where I am coming from. I own a xbox but i don't play xbox online nor do i have any interest so why would I spend $60 a month to get $3 discount on Netflix when in the long run i am actually spending more money and not saving? You are missing the argument here.
What is the incentive for XBL gold for people who have absolutely 0 interest in playing online games? $3 x 12 months = $36 and i am paying $60 for 12 months. That isn't a discount. That isn't incentive. Show me $60 worth of incentive.
Mugatu
Member
Not to nitpick but video was included for years before the price jump - the reason for which is more likely the increase in shipping due to fuel costs.
E3 isn't very far away, it would make sense as something thrown in as a list of bullet points somewhere, but yeah they shouldn't make a big deal about it, because it should be like this already.
Not without paying separately for each order, I can't. It was a great deal. Now it's not.
I hope they have more in store than just removing the paywall for apps.
Better games on Games with Gold would be a good start. They should go even further by giving Gold subscribers a 5-10% discount on all games purchased in the marketplace and offering a games rental service like what Sony plans to do with Playstation Now.
Better games on Games with Gold would be a good start. They should go even further by giving Gold subscribers a 5-10% discount on all games purchased in the marketplace and offering a games rental service like what Sony plans to do with Playstation Now.
I think you're missing it, dude! Why would you pay for Xbox Live if you didn't play games? You wouldn't. Without the paywall, you'd still be able to access all the services you want but there's an incentive for users to get the services they use cheaper, bundled along with other benefits, e.g. Games with Gold, multiplayer, etc...
So don't buy it? I don't see what's so hard about this? What you're talking about is only slightly on topic, as it involves Amazon and Microsoft, but really has nothing to do with Live Gold being required for things like Netflix.
styl3s
Member
Did you not even read my original post that replied to? Because my entire fucking argument is for people (like me) who don't play online games on xbox. My whole argument is how putting apps i can get elsewhere behind a paywall is stupid and it's stupid for everyone else that doesn't play games on XBL. If you want me (and those people) to subscribe we need incentive.
Jesus fucking christ man.. Read next time.
Ninja Scooter
Member
They make you pay to ship each order? What a bunch of devils. You're really stretching here. It's a bad comparison.
LOL.
I don't think you understand. It's an incentive for PS4 users, for example, who might get a second console. It serves as a differentiator. Apple do a very similar thing, actually, offering up subscriptions to third party services through iTunes and its billing system. Why would you get Xbox Live if you didn't play games online? That's exactly what Microsoft wants to address and it's what Sony's been doing already.
Pyramid head
Banned
It sounds dumb, but just before I came to my senses and cancelled my subscription, it occurred to me that I had been doing exactly that for about 2 years as there had been pretty much no games I felt like playing online.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
It has never made sense, and I started using my 360 way less because of it. Even when they had the YouTube app long before PS3, it was meaningless to me and never got to use it.
Its just pure brand negative reinforcement for what they perceive as penny pinching but as Amazon rightly targeted, who is going to get Xbox Live just for Netflix or Facebook?
It all became especially ridiculous in the smartphone and tablet world where such apps are just free downloads forever.
Its just pure brand negative reinforcement for what they perceive as penny pinching but as Amazon rightly targeted, who is going to get Xbox Live just for Netflix or Facebook?
It all became especially ridiculous in the smartphone and tablet world where such apps are just free downloads forever.
After he said in the major Nelson interview he started with a Speccy and Commadores then an Atari ST I was 100% on board.
App paywall needs to go for gold.
styl3s
Member
No, i don't think YOU understand.
And nice on the LOL and edit a minute later trying to save the argument against something i never brought up. Scroll up to my original argument. I am arguing how it's stupid to put something behind a paywall that is free elsewhere and how if they want the people who don't play games to pay for the service they should give incentive. Read the fine print next time you want to argue.
Nightengale
Member
I wouldn't even bother. Just ignore him.