Dragonborn
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Without the apps behind a paywall they'll have to add some actual value to XBLG. Wonder what they'll do
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Xbox Live Apps no longer behind paywall coming?
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Steverulez
Member
Was going to reply until I saw the last line, would be a waste of time.
I disagree, I think theres enough to announce in downloadable games, titles for next year to have more than 1 game. They wont do what Sony did at E3 last year, which despite all their stuff on indies and policies, actually announced nothing that would get me excited for PS4.
Plus (unsurprisingly) they seem pretty confident in their line-up, they will know they need to keep new content coming in sequels/reboots of IPs and new stuff to capture people.
2014 is likely to be: H2A, Forza Horison 2, Sunset Overdrive, possibly Quantum Break.
The first two are unannounced and would already be more than just 1 game announcement.
All they then have announced thats outstanding for 2015 would be Halo 5 and Fable Legends... which Halo will come in the latter half of the year and Fable Legends could be at anytime, even adding in a potential Forza 6 I still think they'll have other new retail IPs coming (plus Kinect stuff)
Garrett 2U
Member
How is that a problem?
Sounds like a good thing.
Shows how much I use either of my 360 consoles these days. Thanks for the update.
I take it iplayer is not behind a paywall?
Haven't touched my xbox one since release week cause my Live ran out and there has been no games I want to play. Would be nice to be able to use it for Netflix, and Hulu, without the need for Live. Just can't see paying for a service to play games I don't have just to be able to play services I already pay a monthly fee for. My xbox one has been a giant brick since I got it.
Correct, neither is ITV, Channel 4 ect I believe.
Dragonborn
Member
So a remake of a game I played 10 years ago and another Forza. I would honestly expect a lot more because if that's all they have to announce it's going to be a disappointing E3. This is where their lack of first party support will really bite them back
It's a problem for MS. Once Sony's first party gets going they'll have the best exclusives and the best version of multiplats. They need to do something before that happens
Steverulez
Member
I think its probably unwise to include LXP and Next, we dont have anything specific on them in terms of what they're doing and it could be a long way off. Good Science have been MIA for a while so who knows what is going on there.
Press Play did say their next title is coming later this year for 360/One though so that will be interesting
Where did you hear that?
Along with at least one (potentially two) new AAA IPs from two developers that are highly regarded?
All this fuss about lack of first party support is ridiculous when they've shown they can (and will) work with developers they dont own. Its not like the Xbox One is starved for exclusive content.
Was your attitude similar when Killzone Shadow Fall was announced? (the 6th Killzone game) or Uncharted 4? (The 5th Uncharted game)
This is very presumptuous that you think Sony has the best exclusive line-up. Just because they have the bigger first party studios team doesnt mean they make the best games. It may be the case to you personally prefer Sony's exclusives (which is fine) but I got an Xbox One first because I prefer the games Microsoft publish.
Dragonborn
Member
Didn't someone already imply that they were working on fixing that? I could have sworn I saw that.
Winterfang
Banned
Oh God, I certainly hope so,
I think chubigans said something about it but I can't remember
Garrett 2U
Member
Quite a statement right there.
Nonetheless, I still don't see the problem. PlayStation having a strong E3 doesn't stop Xbox from having a strong E3 too...
Fox Mulder
Member
would they?
I attribute no value to IE, YouTube, Netflix, or Hulu since they're everywhere already. People buy Live because its required for online multiplayer. They had to throw things behind a pay wall because psn was free and now it isn't.
Live is a solid service that has been stable all Gen and never got hacked. Maybe they could match the kinds of newer games you get with ps+.
BRocknRolla
Member
It wouldn't give it more value. There wasn't any "value" in paying to get something people can get for free in the first place. Creating the lockout was a negative. I said that Live is a ripoff in its current state. Removing a paywall just makes the service a net zero, as opposed to a negative.
They need to add value, like discounts or games. Those would make the service more valuable. Removing unnecessary lockouts seems a step in the right direction for proving that MS understands what "value" actually means.
Dragonborn
Member
Wait, two highly regarded developers? I assume you're talking about QB, which is definitely big (but I'm holding out for a PC version down the road).
The other must be Insomniac? That's news to me, why exactly is Insomniac so highly regarded? Last I checked, they've been mediocre for years, ever since ACiT. They ruined Resistance, and they treat Ratchet like complete crap (seriously, it's like they only ever car about it as a cash cow for their other projects). All4One and FFA were terrible and Into the Nexus was average at best.
If they were so highly regarded, I wouldn't be hoping for Sony to give Ratchet to another dev. The IP deserves so much better. Unless I'm missing something here?
No issue, but if that's all they have to show then damn, pretty bad. We know Sony will have plenty more than just TLOU and Driveclub (if that ever comes out). E3 2014 should also offer a glimpse of 2015, and so far all MS has for 2015 is Fable Legends, another Halo and probably another Forza. I'd hope they would show more than just that. I have similar expectations of Sony, they can't just wing it like last time (I really want some UC4 gameplay to be shown).
Miles Quaritch
Member
Eh, H2A is as exciting as TLoU PS4. Both are great games and will be fantastic to replay with better visuals, etc.
And Horizon 2 is just as exciting as Drive Club. If not more based on the swamplands rumours.
Not sure what the problem is with either of those titles...
Steverulez
Member
The idea should be that they get rid of the apps behind the paywall and try and do something else to provide value to subscribers to keep those people.
Games with Gold is coming to Xbox One and I think it'll be there by E3 at the latest (suggestions of an announcement earlier have so far not come true)
Remakes of older titles have never been system sellers.
Steverulez
Member
You dont speak for everyone. From my personal experience I liked the first two Resistance games, ive not played the third (its sitting on my desk). The main Insomniac team are making Sunset Overdrive and the yearly R&C games are being made by their second team, I also really liked the first R&C on PS3 (not played the second). They were making titles every year and clearly the process caught up with them. I would consider Insomniac a highly rated developer and its clear they moved away from Sony to have more freedom which they didnt get from EA either, but hopefully are with MS.
They talked about EA didnt support the direction of Overstrike and with MS its nice to have a publisher that supports the game they want to make.
ShadowgeistX
Member
Sums up my thoughts completely, minus the last line.
They've gotten away with their crap for far too long really. I just let my gold sub expire after a while and have no plans of renewing or picking up an XBone. Furthermore, not only have they screwed people over for years now, they're going to keep on doing it while these "plans" are being written out. In the end, the people who funded gold till this day will probably get nothing for it. In fact, I bet the message will be worded such that the customers should be thankful that this is finally happening.
Mike Double U
Banned
True, but could Halo 2 Anniversary actually be one IF the multiplayer is done effectively?
Sequels can't be fun apparently. Did last year not teach people anything ... MS pull ace's out of the hat all the time. Dead Rising, Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Titanfall, Quantum Break were all unknowns around E3. Mix of first, second and third party there.
Could an included Halo 5 beta in the H2A package be?
Anyways, this first year should be really interesting under Phil Spencer. After listening to the podcast with Major Nelson, I think there's a lot of hope for the future for Xbox.
Edit: could a graphically inclined member make me a Obama Hope picture with Phil Spencer instead?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Sure, but a good game is a good game and if H2A is well made and features 1:1 MP with OG Halo 2, I could see it shifting more than a few units. Not to mention the addition of a H5 beta potentially pushing a few people over the edge.
Yeah, I think we'll see a few surprises from MS, but likely not as many as last year. We'll finally see some Sunset gameplay and perhaps an extended QB demo...
crazepharmacist
Member
Holy shit, when did it go up to $99? What a fucking scam. I used to get it for free with my University, then paid I think $30 per year for two years, and now it's $99?! That's absolutely ridiculous. It's not even worth $30 save for the convenience factor. I mean, you're not even saving money. They mark up all the Prime products to make up for that "free" shipping. Jesus, fuck Amazon.
PoloBlue28
Banned
ITT: some people complain about a stupid policy being reversed.
Can't wait for the thread about the parity clause dropping.
Can't wait for the thread about the parity clause dropping.
Old example but I'm pretty sure that Super Mario All Stars helped SNES sales.
Dragonborn
Member
I know I don't speak for everyone (it's all my opinion after all), but it is the general consensus (see metacritic, user reviews, sales numbers and general discussion). I just wouldn't say they're "highly regarded", far from it. They're an average dev nowadays (at best, I'd say more along the lines of mediocre), which is why I just don't get where the hype for SO is coming from (after all, all we've seen is a CGI trailer). It doesn't change the fact that they've put out 2 terrible Ratchet games, 1 mediocre Ratchet, Fuse (lol), and ran the Resistance franchise into the ground with poor decisions (the sales numbers speak for themselves).
The fact that they gave Ratchet to their B team is exactly what I don't like. I feel it deserves better, and hopefully another Dev can have a shot of it. Insomniac wants to move on anyways, so why not? I'd like to see them live without having to lean on their Ratchet clutch.
As for the EA thing, I'm pretty sure Insomniac has said EA had nothing to do with the change. Wasn't it focus testing that led to the changes? So yea, again I ask, what exactly is there to hold in such high regard? Resistance, Tools of destruction, and ACiT were all great, but that was years ago.
I doubt Halo is magically the exception the rule. The MP was great, yes, but it's still a game people played 10 years ago. Outside of the big Halo fans who yearn for those days (people who were going to get an X1 anyways), it won't be much of a system seller for the mainstream. It's a good complement for people who already own and X1, but it's not going to move boxes that much.
The source article reads like trash.
Half of the claims don't even make sense:
Think about this, in the case of an unnamed "whistleblowing" source.
Miles Quaritch
Member
Ah, that's a shame. I had been hoping the time-frame quoted was legit, but it seems it might not be...
Thanks for posting the source article.
mangochutney
Member
Shhhh you're giving away his secrets!
He does it well. Should be a politician. Well, his counterparts do the same too of course but for some reason people like to go in balls first with this guy because he has actually played a video game.
Ultimately anyone in charge of any party would have the same ambitions.
All sides would want Shenmue 3. All sides would want free multiplayer. All sides would want apps outside of a pay wall. All sides would like AAA titles for free every month because it is their job to offer the best value to their customers.
However they have to do that within a budget, so it is naive to lap everything up when someone says 'yeah I'm going to look into that, I hear what everyone is saying' to any pipe dream question that comes their way.
They were fixing it on a case by case basis last I read.
Lol what. Its not even the same thing. you pay 99 for 2 day shipping and free Video stuff.
I am supposed to pay $99 because of a shitty video service I don't want or use. I got one more year in at $79 so once that's up I'm cancelling my Prime membership.
Dragonborn
Member
You can access 2 day shipping without prime, you just have to pay for it. That analogy makes no sense. I pay it mostly for the free two day shipping (since I order a tons of stuff from them). Instant Video and Kindle Lender's Library are just added bonuses
Oh of course. If you're a big Halo/Gears/Forza/Fable fan then obviously the X1 is for you. I'm not arguing that.
But objectively, Sony has the better first party studio (one look at past GOTYs, and general consensus will show that).
And you earlier mentioned Killzone being the sixth entry. When it was announced I was excited but the game underdelivered. The main issue with your argument is that though Sony does release sequels (who said they didn't?) they also release a lot of new IPs to go along with them. For the last few years, MS relied exclusively on the usual, monotonous Gears/Forza, Halo/Forza yearly cycle with Fable sprinkled around. They don't seem to be changing that either which I don't like.
2014: Halo/Forza
2015: Halo/Forza/Fable
2016: Gears/Forza
AyaisMUsikWhore
Member
Despite what you want to believe, not a lot of people feel happy about the idea of either one of those games having Sequels. However Sony studios are capable of new IPs which have been demonstrated by TLOU and others. There is a huge difference. Considering we have yet to see MS studio's make a new IP outside if their core games, it's still a reasonable way to look at the situation. Can i343 deliver something that isn't Halo? Something on the lines of that.
No, iPlayer is the only one not behind gold.
I'm pretty sure the price didn't go up due to the video service. It went up because shipping got more expensive. It maintained it's price for 9 years.
I order enough stuff in the year to cover the $79 in what would be 2 day shipping fees probably 3-4 months into the year. I don't want to pay for their video service. Once this last year is up, I will take my business elsewhere.
H2A is more of a system seller than anything they have out or planned right now for Xbox One.
Andronicus
Banned
Xbox Live Platinum Incoming
Dragonborn
Member
Are there any other websites where you can pay a yearly fee for free two day shipping that offer as many items as Amazon (I'm honestly asking, cause I'd like to know).
Miles Quaritch
Member
MS mostly funded State of Decay, which is a fantastic new IP that went on to be one of the fastest selling original game on XBLA.