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Xbox World Rumor: Xbox 720 Devkit Specs Detailed, Includes 16-Core Processor
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What specs? The only thing spec-worthy in the article is number of cores, which is meaningless in terms of overall horsepower. The only thing that means is more threads in comparison to a machine with fewer cores, more threads which will require more work from the developers to take advantage of.
You still have to fit into the same power/heat footprint which means you're not going to get 16 cores each as fast as the cores in a machine with fewer cores sitting in the same footprint.
It is why I made the pizza joke. More threads/slices aren't always useful.
More cores/threads/slices is really the only way forward. Clock speed has basically topped out around 3.5Ghz. Any higher and heat is a major concern.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
I don't doubt there isn't some corporate espionage, but honestly both companies can look at what's available tech-wise, look at heat, cost, and come up with a pretty accurate idea of what the other guy is cooking up.
More than likely half this rumors have some merit, but are garbled by people that don't understand what they're hearing, i.e. 16 threads = 16 cores. The only rumors I sorta believe right now is the MS went with 4gb of ram...and that's just cause they can subsidize the loss and hurt Sony in process.
They'll just drop the Xbox brand alltogether and sell the Microsoft Kinect console!
Jokes aside, 16 cores/threads is.. my poor computer
. Still on a E8500 dual core :lolthehypocrite
Member
NeoGaf Believe!!
Don't laugh, this is gaming journalism at is finest!!
Damn Right!!
At least 3 PC duct taped together, we are talking about 16 cores, that server level processors, they must be using a lot of these:
That's bullshit, that game can't be enjoyed.
No shame in that m'boyThey'll just drop the Xbox brand alltogether and sell the Microsoft Kinect console!
Jokes aside, 16 cores/threads is.. my poor computer
Proelite
Member
Once again, 16 cores is totally doable for a next generation console.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_A2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_A2
Dreams-Visions
Member
IBM is making the processor, not AMD.
Nope, I've already thrown out my PC. I'm typing this on my fridge.
I honestly can't remember the details, but I recall reading they weren't on great terms.
artist rendering of the next xbox...
Forgot the tablet controller.
Risk Breaker
Member
Needs at least 2GB of RAM per core, AT LEAST.
No man, your body IS the tablet! Holographic projection on your body!
Goodness!
Can I haz suM of your Monies?
Woo-Fu
Banned
Not really true. There are plenty of advances to be made in both hardware and software. As far as processor design goes there isn't a lot of room for evolutionary growth but there is plenty of room for revolutionary growth.
With an effective resolution cap of 1080p they don't need any advances in ?PU over what is currently available. What they need is what they've always needed, better software. As one of the early posters joked, for all the hardware advances we've seen AI never seems to get significantly better. There are exceptions to this, but the simple fact that they are indeed exceptions shows that it isn't a hardware problem.
In 3D!
Kinect so this is going to be packed in with every console. That sucks.... that's $50-$100 wasted that most gamers don't care about. I rather that money be spent on more tech inside the box.
I think kinect is the reason the ps4 would be more powerful. Unless Sony does something stupid and try to copy wiiu or pack in move. Just give us the most powerful console u can buy for $500.
I think kinect is the reason the ps4 would be more powerful. Unless Sony does something stupid and try to copy wiiu or pack in move. Just give us the most powerful console u can buy for $500.
brain_stew
Member
That would make a lot more sense.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
2013 is so far away. GAF will lose it until then.
Can some mod PLEASE change the thread name from "cores" to "threads"? :-/
At least point the people to the right adress.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER7
at least no one is mentioning cheap PC DDR3, so far...
At least point the people to the right adress.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER7
Complistic
Member
my friend told me it'd have 32 processors.
This is adorable. It's like I've traveled back in time to 05/06.
Proelite
Member
No way they'll even get a 4 core power7 into consoles.
That's because Microsoft and Sony are waiting for a Newegg sale.
While the said deal was supposedly better, Sony's move to NVidia was just as rushed and desperate as MSs was.nib95 said:
I've seen threads advertised as cores by people who work with hw for a living - it's not something I'd blame entirely on listeners understanding, it could just as well be an intentional PR move. And if threads come with dedicated execution resources it's not a whole lot of difference either.-ImaginaryInsider said:
bigtroyjon
Member
Why would a mod change the title when the article says cores?
If you want to make up a rumor and discuss it, with the way things are going lately I'm sure someone will make a thread if you create a blog.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Seems to go with prior rumors. http://www.gamespot.com/news/next-xboxs-32nm-cpu-enters-production-report-6349105
They will buy year+ old i7 processor with "12 cores".
Also, consoles use CPUs made for master race servers. They usually have more "cores", but are generally totally unusable in ordinary PC day-to-day work [those cores are highly parallelized, which is good for serving 100 people that are connected to the server that host 20gb+ database, or smth].
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
2 PC's ducktaped together.
The playstation 3's Cell Processor has 9 cores. Core count doesn't mean shit if developers don't know how to utilize it, or if it is not fully optimized.
Valve is essentially the masters of manipulating PC hardware to do their bidding, here's a detailed writeup of how they do multi-core rendering in the source engine:
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2006/11/02/Multi_core_in_the_Source_Engin/1
I doubt console developers will do much with the additional cores. I'm sure Epic and a few first party developers will use the hardware to it's full extent, but I don't think we'll a benefit to multi-core rendering on consoles for another 5 years.
Valve is essentially the masters of manipulating PC hardware to do their bidding, here's a detailed writeup of how they do multi-core rendering in the source engine:
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/2006/11/02/Multi_core_in_the_Source_Engin/1
I doubt console developers will do much with the additional cores. I'm sure Epic and a few first party developers will use the hardware to it's full extent, but I don't think we'll a benefit to multi-core rendering on consoles for another 5 years.
They will shrug and warn you that the "master race" meme can get you banned.
Megadragon15
Member
Duct tape four I5 PCs together.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Xbox next wont, Kinect 2 will. Voice recognition in you household objects. Wake up in the morning "Xbox, shower, on, hot! Xbox, toast, light brown."
B_Rik_Schitthaus
Banned
16? Why not 17.
Geeks love multiples of 2/4/8.
phosphor112
Banned
PS4 more powerful than 16-core console?
Cell 5.0 confirmed.
Cell 5.0 confirmed.
Wow now this rumor seem more legit.
Shocking thing to me is. It seems Sony abandoned IBM, and now MS is working with them? CELL 2 in 720?(jk)
GarthVaderUK
Banned
Xbox - tea, Earl Grey, hot!
Putting all rumors together is looks like they a using 2 SOC. http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/item/25619-oban-initial-product-run-is-real
So you get 2x 8 core CPU with 7000 built at 32nm.
2Gb per soc for 4GB total ram
You get 16 cores and dual gpu
So you get 2x 8 core CPU with 7000 built at 32nm.
2Gb per soc for 4GB total ram
You get 16 cores and dual gpu
StoppedInTracks
Member
:lol
XBM hyping 720 to the maxxx
Always-honest
Banned
Like always: it will be max medium pc. So 1/2 pc
Gotta network it to your Keurig so you can say, "Xbox. Tea, Earl Grey: hot."
Edit: Beaten like Worf in an episode where they need to show how strong some new character is.
There's lots of posts with that stupid pic of the console peasants, and that person is never banned. So it is ok to post the meme towards console gamers, but not PC gamers?
Last I saw that pic used the user was banned for it.