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YESSSS x2! AVATAR trailer #2 is NOW LIVE!!!! (mark ALL spoilers)
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civilstrife
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Yeah, this looks ok. I'm sure it'll be a fine flick, but THIS is supposed to be a revolutionary leap in CG?
right...
I can excuse the beasties and creatures looking otherworldly, that's kind of the point. The blue Aliens, however, are humanoid. They, like most other CG reditions of humanoid characters animate too smoothly. Real human motion is twitchy and jerky, especially where facial expressions are concerned. The moment in the trailer where the guy wakes up as an alien, the mere flexing of the muscles in his foot are simply too smooth. It's the tell-tale sign of CG for me.
Also, they appear...floaty. They don't seem to be carrying their weight properly.
right...
I can excuse the beasties and creatures looking otherworldly, that's kind of the point. The blue Aliens, however, are humanoid. They, like most other CG reditions of humanoid characters animate too smoothly. Real human motion is twitchy and jerky, especially where facial expressions are concerned. The moment in the trailer where the guy wakes up as an alien, the mere flexing of the muscles in his foot are simply too smooth. It's the tell-tale sign of CG for me.
Also, they appear...floaty. They don't seem to be carrying their weight properly.
Boards of Canada
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Looks bad. Unoriginal, uninspiring, but I'm unsurprised. I knew the hype was for not.
DancingCactus77
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I will reserve my final judgment of the trailer until I see the 15-minute preview tomorrow on proper equipment and in the right venue. Many things bother me about the trailer:
1.) The font used in the title. I never liked the tribal-ish font from the first time I saw it. I still don't.
2.) The tall blue creatures do look like a combination of characters from various video games and jar jar binks.
3.) The feel and look of "real objects" is gone from past Cameron films. There is little weight to the helicopters or even the aliens. There is a very artificial sheen to everything in the film.
Until tomorrow.
1.) The font used in the title. I never liked the tribal-ish font from the first time I saw it. I still don't.
2.) The tall blue creatures do look like a combination of characters from various video games and jar jar binks.
3.) The feel and look of "real objects" is gone from past Cameron films. There is little weight to the helicopters or even the aliens. There is a very artificial sheen to everything in the film.
Until tomorrow.
MisterAnderson
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The trailer honestly blew me away. Had high expectations and was worried about the CGI when I heard how heavily CG it was, but I thought all the CG shots looked beautiful and are probably the most convincing CG to date. I was totally immersed and for what little I know of the plot, I really felt the weight of the characters' emotions. CGI has really come to a new level; and to think that there are still four months of post production left. Fuck yeah, bring on Avatar!
Lord Error
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So I'm guessing Davy Jones is pretty much the best we're going to get for a while? These aliens look really nice on some of the screens I've seen, though.
LegendOfGood
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Probably true: This movie will do well at the box office.
Sad realization: The trailer disappointed in that there seems to be little setting the film apart from other big budget CGI flicks. Also, the aliens' design is bizarre and almost unsatisfying.
Playing fair: I cannot judge the film, which is still in production, by this trailer alone. Therefore, I will wait patiently and hope that the film is much better than my now-lowered expectations.
Sad realization: The trailer disappointed in that there seems to be little setting the film apart from other big budget CGI flicks. Also, the aliens' design is bizarre and almost unsatisfying.
Playing fair: I cannot judge the film, which is still in production, by this trailer alone. Therefore, I will wait patiently and hope that the film is much better than my now-lowered expectations.
Am I the only one who thinks it looks shitty?
I'm a fan of Cameron's, a huge fan of the Terminator movies(1&2 of course), I fucking love Aliens, and I think Titanic was a great movie(Fuck the haters). But my god, the minute those creatures I appeared I cringed. I mean what the fuck? How will this change movies forever? Looks like a dreamworks animated movie done Roger Rabbit style. I hate that design, looks too freaky and a little too furry.
Sorry Sculli but I'm not liking what I see.
I'm a fan of Cameron's, a huge fan of the Terminator movies(1&2 of course), I fucking love Aliens, and I think Titanic was a great movie(Fuck the haters). But my god, the minute those creatures I appeared I cringed. I mean what the fuck? How will this change movies forever? Looks like a dreamworks animated movie done Roger Rabbit style. I hate that design, looks too freaky and a little too furry.
Sorry Sculli but I'm not liking what I see.
PhoenixDark
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edit: beaten, fuck you Willcoo :lol
kaching said:
Look, you've seen tons of CGI, been exposed to it in various video games, movies, etc, and the average person hasn't necessarily had this experience. You can't somehow divorce yourself from the so-called "techie" in you by simply claiming to have first seen it and gauged it based on a "visceral reaction". You were always looking at it via the "techie" in you. The "average person" doesn't have a techie in them at all. That's why they're the average person.
You very likely initially judged the trailer in comparison to other CGI that you've seen. The "average person" who I keep talking about won't do that at all, because they don't give a fuck what CGI is or what it stands for, and they're not going to compare and contrast Avatar's CG work with anything else. They'll judge it for what it is they're currently looking at - their reaction is always visceral, never analytical.
None of us here can pretend to know what it would be like for a typical person to view this footage, because we're all too familiar with CGI in one way or another, and most of us have also been following the film. You'd have to show the trailer to your parents or co-workers or someone of that effect to get that reaction. A neutral party who's completely detached from both the film and CGI tech in general.
bengraven
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Jesus, geeks give it up. The fucking hype is painfully crushing. 500 errors on GAF, iTunes downloads keep being corrupt and won't play (Apple has really fucked this up).
Tribes vs. technology! It's just another Return of the Jedi, Phantom Menace, Delgo, District 9, Kaena, Atlantis, (or Strings for you ingrates that never saw that film) ripoff.
It's sad this is Cameron, a man who has shown originality numerous times in the past.
Tribes vs. technology! It's just another Return of the Jedi, Phantom Menace, Delgo, District 9, Kaena, Atlantis, (or Strings for you ingrates that never saw that film) ripoff.
It's sad this is Cameron, a man who has shown originality numerous times in the past.
I'm sure the 3d experience will be pretty cool, but I can't watch 3d on my tv at home. For lasting power, this film needs an engaging story, and from the descriptions and images so far, it looks utterly derivative. Again, the clash of civilizations and the realization that we must work together has been done to death. Still, it might be executed well. Wait and see, I guess...
MisterAnderson
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KingGondo said:
Don't know how much this can effect the liking of the trailer, but I can vouch that I viewed it from an HD projector on a 130 inch screen with surround sound and I thought it was fucking awesome, so it's an interesting theory...
...couldn't watch it in 3D though unfortunately. Hoping it's not shitty because I haven't been too impressed with 3D in the past.
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B-b-but this 3D technology is revolutionary.dalin80 said:
xS1TH L0RDx
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man I'm glad I don't have a stick shoved up my ass when it comes to movies like all of you people. trailer looks great, should be a lot of fun come december.
CultureClearance
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iddqd said:
No, NO NO. This movie is BLUE not orange! It's totally different! You guys don't get it.
CultureClearance
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Valion said:
Quantity always flies in the face of quality. See: Phantom Menace
Expendable.
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Cheebs said:
not better, but much more realistic obviously. and for some people (including me) I'd rather have realistic than the best CG in the world. For this kind of movie it fits though.
OMG!
Read this:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/The-Avatar-Trailer-Sucks-But-Don-t-Give-Up-Hope-14448.html
This is just a fucking trailer, you'll be able to judge once you HAVE SEEN the 15 minutes, you have to see the scenes and not just shots of 4, 5 seconds. This is exactly what is said in this link:
"I get that they're trying to follow up on the promises that Avatar looks like nothing ever has, and would rather show off as many flashy scenes as possible rather than ease you into this world. But the Quicktime format is so limiting, especially for a 3D movie, that the impact of all the CGI wizardry is muted anyway. Already people are complaining that Sam Worthington's Avatar doesn't look realistic, that the blue skin looks fake, because they haven't had enough time to see it move like a human, hear it talk, or see it respond to its world. Having seen it in Hall H, I promise it works. It just needs time to settle in, and just by showing one complete scene at Comic Con, they sold the effect entirely. Cutting together all the random scenes in the trailer just makes you more disoriented."
Watch it in HD, pause on shots like when Jake stands up and sees his feet moving, when he says "it's great", or even on Neytiri, it really is realistic, watch for all the subtle things.
And you all say that it doesn't look realistic because of the colours, very colourful, if it was darker, it would look more realistic (but it already looks realistic)
Read this:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/The-Avatar-Trailer-Sucks-But-Don-t-Give-Up-Hope-14448.html
This is just a fucking trailer, you'll be able to judge once you HAVE SEEN the 15 minutes, you have to see the scenes and not just shots of 4, 5 seconds. This is exactly what is said in this link:
"I get that they're trying to follow up on the promises that Avatar looks like nothing ever has, and would rather show off as many flashy scenes as possible rather than ease you into this world. But the Quicktime format is so limiting, especially for a 3D movie, that the impact of all the CGI wizardry is muted anyway. Already people are complaining that Sam Worthington's Avatar doesn't look realistic, that the blue skin looks fake, because they haven't had enough time to see it move like a human, hear it talk, or see it respond to its world. Having seen it in Hall H, I promise it works. It just needs time to settle in, and just by showing one complete scene at Comic Con, they sold the effect entirely. Cutting together all the random scenes in the trailer just makes you more disoriented."
Watch it in HD, pause on shots like when Jake stands up and sees his feet moving, when he says "it's great", or even on Neytiri, it really is realistic, watch for all the subtle things.
And you all say that it doesn't look realistic because of the colours, very colourful, if it was darker, it would look more realistic (but it already looks realistic)
To be truly revolutionary as hyped, this film would have to be all from the first person, with an unusual 'avatar' view of the World such as a Tron or Predator viewed - and only watchable on Imax cinemas.
As it is, it's just some really basic Star Wars film or something....there's not even originality in the design of the characters or human technology.
As it is, it's just some really basic Star Wars film or something....there's not even originality in the design of the characters or human technology.
Karma Kramer
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These threads are always fun. People saying this looks like videogame CG... :lol
I think its fairly obvious that had this movie not been so hyped, people would probably be saying a lot more positive things. I personally got basically what I expected which was "blown away."
But this was just a taste of the entire experience. Watching this on a big screen in 3D, surround sound, etc... It's going to be one incredible ride and definitely is the most visually interesting movie I have seen in the past decade (can any of you guys name something thats coming out this year that looks this visually stunning?).
I think its fairly obvious that had this movie not been so hyped, people would probably be saying a lot more positive things. I personally got basically what I expected which was "blown away."
But this was just a taste of the entire experience. Watching this on a big screen in 3D, surround sound, etc... It's going to be one incredible ride and definitely is the most visually interesting movie I have seen in the past decade (can any of you guys name something thats coming out this year that looks this visually stunning?).
CultureClearance
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Resettito said:
Jesus Mary and Jesus. If I wanted to feign interest in shallow specs and tech enhancements that don't amount to anything, I'd go play a video game.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Those were the least realistic parts of that trailer.Resettito said:
District 9's CG was stunning but it had an easier time of it with the washed out hues. Compare the color palette in Avatar to the one in D9. Night and day.
D9's look was specifically meant to conjure up a sense of realism and to essentially bring the prawns into our world, while Avatar is pure escapist fantasy and doesn't pretend to be anything else. Most of it is spent on an alien planet that is very obviously alien and entirely computer-generated.
D9 takes place on Earth, and we don't actually get to see that many of those aliens (there were 1.5 million aliens in District 9 but we didn't exactly get that sense). When seen in groups, which only happens a couple of times, the CGI becomes quite obvious.
That's a very good point. We've barely seen the Avatar or the aliens actually reacting to anything in context. Just various short shots of them smiling, crying, growling, screaming, etc. But there's no context to any of it since it's just a teaser, and you don't see any of the lead-up to those emotions.
D9's look was specifically meant to conjure up a sense of realism and to essentially bring the prawns into our world, while Avatar is pure escapist fantasy and doesn't pretend to be anything else. Most of it is spent on an alien planet that is very obviously alien and entirely computer-generated.
D9 takes place on Earth, and we don't actually get to see that many of those aliens (there were 1.5 million aliens in District 9 but we didn't exactly get that sense). When seen in groups, which only happens a couple of times, the CGI becomes quite obvious.
Resettito said:
That's a very good point. We've barely seen the Avatar or the aliens actually reacting to anything in context. Just various short shots of them smiling, crying, growling, screaming, etc. But there's no context to any of it since it's just a teaser, and you don't see any of the lead-up to those emotions.
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