el retorno
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Asking for reform is not antisemetic.
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German anti-Semitism 'deep-rooted' in society
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Asking for reform is not antisemetic.
Wanting Israel gone isn't either.
Ignorant official statements and facts, and making up a fantasy feud is without a doubt absurd and stupid. Ordinary Greeks and Turks have nothing against each other, you make it seem like Turks and Greeks are in an ongoing war. Read abit about the Turkish/Greek earthquakes to learn about the current relations among the both people. There is no hostility between Turks/Greeks in general, but I can ensure you that there is one between Neo-nazis and non-Nordic people.
I guess there's a defence force for anything on GAF, even Neo-Nazis.
No, that is not the problem here. The Swedes I referred to were against the very existence of Israel, making them anti-semitic. Criticizing Israel is a different beast.
But people should read what I write instead of going into crybaby mode because apparently I implied that they are anti-semitic. You are not for criticizing Israel. Wanting it off the map, though, that makes you anti-semitic.
The UN charter allows every people the right to self-determination. That includes the Jews.
Saying that Israel should not exist amounts to antisemitism, since it singles out a single nation as having no rights for independence.
It is, unfortunately.
el retorno
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According to the EU it is http://fra.europa.eu/fraWebsite/material/pub/AS/AS-WorkingDefinition-draft.pdf
Nobody was acusing you of this. I think most people, my response included, was to say to you that you're NOT antisemetic.
But there are people that hold views more extreme than you that are.
Though you did say this
Wanting Israel off the map is anti-zionist, wanting israeli people killed is antisemitic.
Please see the post above yours.
So by your logic, wanting France to be destroyed as a state and occupied by Germany or UK or whatever is not anti-French? Only killing every single Frenchman is?
el retorno
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He'll try to make the distincion that Israel /= Jew and so it's not antisemetic because Judaism is a religion not a race. And completly miss the point about self-determination and the UN/EU.
I did, I just don't agree with it. I do believe jews exaggerated the Holocaust to create Israel, but that's a conclusion made after careful research, and the study of History, as a science, shall be driven by reason, not emotion. That does not make me antisemitic at all.
It should also be noted that semites are not necessarily Jews. So we can squash that argument now.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
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..and that tells you all you need to know about volturnus.
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Some tidbits from the summary:
The Body of antisemitism in Germany:
right-wing = 26.000 People in Germany
left-wring = 32.000 " "
islamic groups* = 37.400 " "
There is a decline in "politically motivated criminality" in Germany. It went from 1.559 cases in 2005 to 2010´s 1.268 cases. Over 90% of these cases can be contributed to the extreme right-wing.
* "antisemitism is a constitutive part of their ideology."
edit: Goggle translated:
1800-2000 people where asked on the phone. And now i know how the 20% figure came up. One of the questions was: "are you annoyed about germans today still being charged(vorgehalten) with the crimes against the jewish?" 67% answered yes. Thats kind of a tricky questions as i could see many answering with "yes" while still haveing nothing against jews in general.
The Body of antisemitism in Germany:
right-wing = 26.000 People in Germany
left-wring = 32.000 " "
islamic groups* = 37.400 " "
There is a decline in "politically motivated criminality" in Germany. It went from 1.559 cases in 2005 to 2010´s 1.268 cases. Over 90% of these cases can be contributed to the extreme right-wing.
* "antisemitism is a constitutive part of their ideology."
edit: Goggle translated:
1800-2000 people where asked on the phone. And now i know how the 20% figure came up. One of the questions was: "are you annoyed about germans today still being charged(vorgehalten) with the crimes against the jewish?" 67% answered yes. Thats kind of a tricky questions as i could see many answering with "yes" while still haveing nothing against jews in general.
el retorno
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I've seen this argument before.
I'm of the ilk the anti-semitism is anti-jewish and it is a product of really bad etymology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Usage
You german? edit: nvm your profile says Brazil.
And to make a constructive response to your Jews used to Holocaust to create Israel belief. I'm guessing your "research" never included Theodor Herzl, World Zionist Congress, Balfour declaration and the other stuff that happened before WWII (and even the first WW)?
So your careful study of History apparently hasn't taught you that the State of Israel was well on its way to being established before the Holocaust even started?
And by the way saying that Jews exaggerated the Holocaust to "create" Israel (note that Israel is the only country on which this term is ever used) is antisemitic as hell lol....
No I don't but I have a friend who is worried when I said I was off to Germany, since then I am following Spiegel.de on twitter which mentions a few race related hate issues on its feeds from time to time. But hey ever country has those, maybe I am just more perceptive since I am off there.
Sweet, I am looking forward to it :3
No, I'm a brazilian historian.
Thanks for clearing that up.
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this should be quoted on every page.
your video is banned in Germany, you should probably state what you post before giving a link.
As a historian, i'm sure you could explain to my grandmother exactly where her 5 brothers and sisters all disappeared. She's just exaggerating right?
1. This Video is not allowed in Germany because apparently it's breaking some laws here.
2. The title says enough: It's by Fred Leuchter. A well known revisionist and holocaust denier.
3. The account that uploaded the video is called "RevisionistsRUS"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_A._Leuchter
DeathIsTheEnd
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Then would you care to say how, and in detail, Jewish statements on the holocaust differ from the primary sources available to us?
Challenge accepted.
"During the holocaust, 99.9% of all human life was exterminated".
There we go. The missus is a right drama queen so she taught me well.
You study pubic hair styles throughout the ages?
Sounds boring until you hit 1995 or so.
Sorry, didn't know about that.
It's a press conference made by an american gas chamber expert explaining his report, stating that there were no gas chambers at all in any of the camps he visited.
but I am really curious, what message are you trying to get across with this video?
el retorno
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WOW, you keep going. You're literally pulling the standard antisemetic cards.
There were no gas chambers.
He is NOT a gas chamber expert. He is a revisionist that put the theory forward that there hasn't been any people gassed in gas chambers. To which any intelligent person would response "Why build gas chambers in the first place?"
You're right. This 'expert' testimony immediately renders the staggering amount of witnesses, evidence and records completely false. Thanks!
He designed gas chambers for the US government.
Sorry, man. I'm blocking you from now on.
Agree, completely disgusting.
Boozeroony
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B-b-but, he's an expert!
Millions died in the gas chambers. Also, current Jews always use this to justify horrendous acts they are exerting.
Millions died in the gas chambers. Also, current Jews always use this to justify horrendous acts they are exerting.
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WorriedCitizen
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Do you only care about Israel reverting its borders back to an arbitrary date in history or would you apply such a demand to the world as whole. And if so where do you draw the line? What is too far back in history? Maybe Germany could get Naples back that way and the indigenous people of Brazil certainly would be happy too.
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malingenie
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Ignoring that guy....
Does anyone think that Germans might be displaying anti-semitism because of how, let's be honest, kind of ridiculous Germany has taken some censorship because of their past and the Holocaust?
I've always wondered if that itself could foster an increase in anti-semitism.
Does anyone think that Germans might be displaying anti-semitism because of how, let's be honest, kind of ridiculous Germany has taken some censorship because of their past and the Holocaust?
I've always wondered if that itself could foster an increase in anti-semitism.
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You're right I didn't interpret your original post as it was meant. At least that is now cleared up.
I don't think that changes anything about my hope for a two state solution where there is a Palestine and an Israel that does not violate human rights. Add ''in it's current state'' to that quote to make it less ambiguous.
It'll be interesting to be able to talk about it in 50 - 100 years.
Boozeroony
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Holocaust denial is prohibited in the Netherlands, which is typically PC.
I came in here expecting stupid and sure as hell found it with volturnus. Blocking him as well.
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I'm really curious what it is you find fascinating about the revulsion?
You want to see pictures of piles of burned bodies and eye witness reports?
Because those exist.
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