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The Formula 1 2012 Season |OT| The Year of the...uh...Platypus?
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Alonso not being on pole since singapore 2010 is really bad. The guy should get pole this year though no doubt.
Is vettel going to be the first driver to score a second win this season? Third win for RBR?
Tune in tomorrow for the RBR show.
Webber will suprise hamilton and alonso in the first corner.
Is vettel going to be the first driver to score a second win this season? Third win for RBR?
Tune in tomorrow for the RBR show.
Webber will suprise hamilton and alonso in the first corner.
Myoclonic Jerk
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I have nothing against Vettel but I'd love to see a different 7th winner. Hamilton is our only hope if the race had no incidents.
EDIT: who's the interviewer? Its a new person
Sleeplessnights
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What is the weather forecast for tomorrow?
Vettel will walk this tomorrow.
Congrats to him on an outstanding qualifying.
Congrats to him on an outstanding qualifying.
Hotter than today again and clear skies.
Im all for an exciting season with a 7th different winner, but im sorry vettel needs to win tomorrow.
sun and 26 to 28 degrees Celsius.
in short: Vettel weather
brotkasten
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The championship is tight enough, so no, he clearly doesn't need to win.
SunhiLegend
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I don't think Vettel will fly away and control the race. He might have been almost 3 tenth faster in qualifying but the cars are much closer in the race than they were last year.
He should though, i dont want him to become champion with only 1 win.
He also never won in canada so he should win!!
Myoclonic Jerk
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Is it even realistic to hope for another Bahrain-like race for Kimi?
Strategy prediction is a one stopper. So if he has a fresh Primes he can push as much as he could and make up places right?
Strategy prediction is a one stopper. So if he has a fresh Primes he can push as much as he could and make up places right?
brotkasten
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Oh boy, here comes the interview.
Time to take a nap.
Time to take a nap.
Forget about it, lotus will not pull a rabit from their hat.
Anyhow i do think vettel could control the race from the front tomorrow.
Myoclonic Jerk
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He's still young, he can win it next year
Who really needs and actually deserves a win is Lewis. 6 winners and he's not one of them. That just doesn't sound right
I'm afraid you're right
and the circuit is actually easy on the tyresHe's still young, he can win it next year
Who really needs and actually deserves a win is Lewis. 6 winners and he's not one of them. That just doesn't sound right
Nah he will fight even harder next race if he does not win. So im oke with him not winning.
brotkasten
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You heard it, guys. Vettel doesn't need holes to have fun.
Myoclonic Jerk
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He's an alien. Who doesn't need holes to have fun?
brotkasten
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Schumacher apparently crossed the line with the red lights, which is why he didn't really finish his last lap.
He would not improved his lap by much though.
brotkasten
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Sky and more irrelevant interviews. This time, a golfer. Good job.
Did you see how they just pushed him out of the picture lol.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Villeneuve and Schumacher on Sky... how awkward.
brotkasten
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Yeah, and then grabbing Schumacher and be even more awkward. They're so terrible to watch.
Edmond Dantès;38710929 said:
Schumacher, Herbert and Villeneuve.
They should have their own F1 show.
Myoclonic Jerk
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Code:
Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m13.784s
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m14.087s + 0.303
3. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m14.151s + 0.367
4. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m14.346s + 0.562
5. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m14.411s + 0.627
6. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m14.465s + 0.681
7. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m14.645s + 0.861
8. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m14.705s + 0.921
9. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m14.812s + 1.028
10. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m15.182s + 1.398
Q2 cut-off time: 1m14.680s Gap **
11. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m14.688s + 0.501
12. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m14.734s + 0.547
13. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m14.748s + 0.561
14. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m15.078s + 0.891
15. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m15.156s + 0.969
16. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m15.170s + 0.983
17. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m15.231s + 1.044
Q1 cut-off time: 1m15.552s Gap *
18. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m16.263s + 1.602
19. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m16.482s + 1.821
20. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m16.602s + 1.941
21. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m17.492s + 2.831
22. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m17.901s + 3.240
23. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m18.255s + 3.594
24. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m18.330s + 3.669
107% time: 1m19.887s
* Gap to quickest in Q1
** Gap to quickest in Q2107% should get tweaked to 105%. Things should be more challenging for bottom teams
105% = 1:18.394
That's tight and I think it would be fair you don't need cars that are almost 10% slower than the fastest in the race
Mika should join with rubens
The problem is that in some races 105% would cut out a ton of cars. On a track by track basis maybe, but 105% as a blanket would be onerous.
No. It's tough enough to be new in F1, and the weak teams that won't get stronger weed themselves out. With 105%, F1 would go nowhere. There shouldn't be an uncertainty of "can we manage to squeeze through this weekend" every week. The worst teams are good enough to join in on the races.
Myoclonic Jerk
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I don't think HRT is a team that would take F1 anywhere, or will add anything to it.
If you check the timing Timo Glock is comfortably above that by .4, but the last two drivers are very close because THEY are crap not just their car, so they should not have it easy to qualify to the race.
That will make smaller teams focus more on talent than the bag of money those drivers bring with them
I think its a win win situation for F1
I often thought the 107% seemed quite high.
But after doing a bit of calculating - it seems that if it was 105% then this would be the first race of the season that HRT would have been fast enough to actually race.
It would also only be the 3rd race of the season that both Marussia cars could start.
All other cars are comfortably within the 105% rule. So...
But after doing a bit of calculating - it seems that if it was 105% then this would be the first race of the season that HRT would have been fast enough to actually race.
It would also only be the 3rd race of the season that both Marussia cars could start.
All other cars are comfortably within the 105% rule. So...
moral of the story is kick HRT out.
Myoclonic Jerk
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You calculated it on fastest time of Q1 right?
Maybe they don't deserve to be in F1? I don't think there's anything wrong in kicking a team that's not good enough to be there. Having more teams is good for the sport, but the right teams not just one that adds numbers and employes cucumbers. Respect to DLR lap today
Yes...i think so. I have been drinking so if some one else wants to re-calculate, please do so
My problem with HRT is not so much that they are slow, its that they do not show any signs of improving - they do not have the budget or personnel to improve. In 3 or 4 seasons time they still be at the bottom struggling to get within 107%
Caterham, although still slow, look as if they are gradually improving and could be getting into Q2 regularly next season.
Marrusia are still awful (nearly as bad as HRT) but they at least look they have the potential to get better.
IMO next season is thier last chance, if they are all still at the bottom next season then they should give up - all 3 of them
Myoclonic Jerk
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Lookout for the iceman
mclaren777
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Oops!
Myoclonic Jerk
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That's what you get if you choose pay drivers. Rubens would've done an amazing job in that Williams
brotkasten
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He'll melt in the sun.
Seriously, the wouldn't be missed. Right now they don't add anything to the sport. They don't even have promising drivers like Minardi had.
Alonso used to drive for minardi right?
Myoclonic Jerk
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Exactly. One is dead meat the other one is a disgrace to all F1 drivers
F1 should allow customer cars or for big teams to run, openly, B teams.
@omiee yes he used to be
2011 Race Summary
The race was declared wet due to rain before the race, and even though the track was slowly drying out, the race was started behind the safety car. The safety car stayed out for the first four laps before the field was released. Leader Vettel was able to repel Fernando Alonso's attack on him, and behind third-placed Felipe Massa, there was immediate action as Lewis Hamilton and Mark Webber collided between turns 1 and 2, with the latter tipped into a spin and rejoining 15th, whereas Hamilton lost two places and was seventh. Vettel immediately began to drive away from the Ferraris of Alonso and Massa, who themselves developed a gap to the two Mercedes cars of Nico Rosberg and Michael Schumacher, followed by the McLarens of Jenson Button and Hamilton. Hamilton passed Button but dropped behind him on the sixth lap as an overtaking move on fifth-placed Schumacher failed to come off at the hairpin. Going across the start-finish line at the end of lap seven, Hamilton tried to pass Button again (who later stated that in the spray he could not see his teammate) and the two collided, with the left side of Hamilton's car striking the pitwall, damaging his rear suspension beyond repair. Hamilton was out, and as he stopped his car on the track, caused the safety car to be called out. Button decided to pit to check for damage on his car, and no damage was found, but the team decided to change him to intermediates on a drying track. However, Button was soon back into the pits for a drive-through penalty for speeding behind the safety car, which dropped him back to 18th.
After Hamilton's car was cleared, the race restarted and Vettel immediately set about building his lead again, whereas teammate Webber was eighth after a steady recovery from his first-corner mishap. The field began to rapidly spread out, with Vettel running on his own in the lead from Alonso and Massa running together in second and third, followed by Rosberg and Schumacher who had a few seconds on the battle for sixth. Button, on the intermediate tyres, was lapping more quickly than the leaders, and as a result Alonso and the two Mercedes cars decided to pit for them. However, this backfired as a heavy rainstorm suddenly hit the track, and these drivers along with Button had to pit to change back to wet tyres again. All this had left Vettel with an eight second lead over Massa, with the rest of the field led by Kamui Kobayashi nearly 25 seconds back. The track soon became too wet to race, and as a result the safety car was called out again. Vettel and Massa elected to pit for new wet tyres taking advantage of the large gap they enjoyed over the rest of the field, and as a result the reigning world champion was still in the lead whereas Massa was third behind Kobayashi. With the rain showing no signs of relenting, the race was red-flagged on lap 25, for a period of around two hours until the rain had cleared.
When the race was restarted, it was behind the safety car which stayed out for eight laps with the order at the front being Vettel, Kobayashi, Massa, Nick Heidfeld and Vitaly Petrov in the two Renaults, Paul di Resta, Webber, Alonso, Pedro de la Rosa, Button, Rosberg and Schumacher. Kovalainen retired under the safety car, with a driveshaft failure. Vettel immediately started to pull away from the rest of the field, whereas Kobayashi was busy defending from Massa. Almost immediately everyone was in the pits for intermediate tyres, following the cue of Schumacher who had pitted early and was setting quick sector times. Petrov and Alonso suffered having to queue behind their teammates, and dropped positions. However, things were to get a lot worse for the Spaniard when Button, who had changed tyres earlier, attempted to pass him just after he exited the pits. There was light contact between Button's front left and Alonso's right rear tyre, but Alonso spun off into a wall and his car was beached on the kerb, whereas Button's left front suffered a puncture, and he had to limp back to the pits to replace it.
The safety car was called while the marshals removed Alonso's car, and as soon as it departed, Vettel began to rapidly pull away from Kobayashi, who was clearly holding up Massa. Heidfeld and di Resta ran fourth and fifth until di Resta attempted to pass Heidfeld at the final chicane and clipped the rear of Heidfeld's car, damaging his front wing and having to pit for repairs, whereas Heidfeld got away without any damage. Di Resta later received a drive-through penalty for causing an avoidable collision. This moved Webber and Petrov up to fifth and sixth but then both were passed by a charging Schumacher, who had already gained places earlier with his early stop and the Button-Alonso collision. On lap 51, Sutil retired after contact with the wall at Turn 7. Schumacher then passed Heidfeld and closed the gap to Kobayashi and Massa before overtaking both of them on lap 51 after a mistake by Kobayashi. By then Webber, still unable to pass Heidfeld, had pitted for slicks and was lapping very quickly, beating Vettel's fastest lap by three seconds. Button, who had already charged back up the field from the back, also pitted early. The front trio of Vettel, Schumacher and Massa pitted later than most, but still maintained their places. Kobayashi however was jumped by Webber, and had Heidfeld close behind him before Button, on tyres that were up to temperature, quickly passed both of them.
Massa spun and hit a wall while trying to lap Narain Karthikeyan, damaging his front wing and thus handing third to Webber, who was quickly on Schumacher's rear wing and trying to find a way past. Button moved up to fourth from Kobayashi, Heidfeld and Petrov, whereas a frustrated Massa rejoined in 12th, out of the points. Just a lap later, Heidfeld ran into the back of Kobayashi at Turn 2, and broke his front wing which soon went under the car, sending Heidfeld's front wheels up in the air. Heidfeld avoided the wall and the barriers on the escape road but his race was over, and due to debris on the track caused by that, the safety car was called again, removing Vettel's ten-second lead.
The safety car departed with ten laps left, and Vettel was able to get a three second lead, but was unable to extend it any further, while a mistake by Kobayashi handed fifth to Petrov. On Lap 61, Maldonado spun off with a damaged front wing and his front suspension broke. Schumacher resisted strong pressure by Webber who tried repeatedly to pass him, with Button keeping a close eye on them. Webber did get ahead of Schumacher, but cut the final chicane and had to give the position back. He tried again, but only ended up cutting the chicane again, and this time he lost so much momentum that Button was able to pass him, and the Australian dropped two seconds back. Button quickly overtook Schumacher and set about closing down Vettel, reducing the gap to under a second with just one lap left. Webber meanwhile caught back up to Schumacher and had finally succeeded in passing him, with just three laps left, while, behind Petrov in fifth, Massa was staging a strong fightback, getting up to seventh. Di Resta crashed on the same lap, and retired. At the front, Vettel, even though Button was close behind, was looking comfortable until he made a mistake and hit some water off line at Turn 6, handing Button the lead. Button took the win, with Vettel second, and his Red Bull teammate Webber completing the podium. Schumacher had to settle for fourth, Petrov fifth, while Massa continued his recovery by overtaking Kobayashi on the line for sixth, with only four and a half hundredths of a second separating them. The Toro Rossos of Jaime Alguersuari, who started from the pit lane and Sébastien Buemi were in the points in eighth and tenth, with Rubens Barrichello splitting them. Alguersuari's eighth-placed finish was the best of his career until he came in seventh at that year's Italian Grand Prix.
Circuit Info
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Laps
70
Circuit length4.361 km (2.709 mi)
Race length305.270 km (189.694 mi)
Lap RecordRubens Barichello - Ferrari - 2004 - 1:13.622
Most Wins (Drivers)Michael Schumacher (7)
Most Wins (Constructors)Ferrari (13)
Previous Winners
2011 - Jenson Button for McLaren-Mercedes
2010 - Lewis Hamilton for McLaren-Mercedes
2009 - Race Not Held
2008 - Robert Kubica for BMW Sauber
2007 - Lewis Hamilton for McLaren-Mercedes
2006 - Fernando Alonso for Renault
2005 - Kimi Räikkönen for McLaren-Mercedes
Videos highlighting the Canadian Grand Prix
Highlights from 1998 Canadian GP
Highlights from the 2011 Canadian GP
History of F1 from the drivers perspective
Changes from 2011
-All kerbs and lines painted around and on the track will be painted with a genuine FIA-approved non-slip paint.
-The guardrail on the drivers left before and after turn 10 has been replaced by walls, as in other locations. New debris fences have been fitted on top of these new walls.
-A number of guardrail posts have been renewed.
-A gate will be provided in the pit wall to allow the teams to remove all their equipment from the grid more quickly and without having to take everything to the pit exit.
GP Facts
-The Circuit Gilles Villeneuve circuit firmly belongs to Michael Schumacher, the German having notched up seven wins from 17 attempts. Pretty impressive. Only Nelson Piquet can come close to that stat with three wins 1982, 84 and 1991 from 13 starts.
-In recent seasons, no one has dominated at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, with the top step on the podium being occupied by five drivers in the past six years: Jenson Button (2011), Lewis Hamilton (2010, 07), Robert Kubica (08), Fernando Alonso (06) and Kimi Raikkonen (05).
-Jean Alesi took his one and only Formula One victory here in 1995. Driving for Ferrari, he inherited the lead after Michael Schumacher suffered a gearbox problem that dropped him to fourth. Alesi famously ran out of fuel on his victory lap but was given a lift back to the pits by the defeated Schumacher.
-Nigel Mansell probably doesnt have fond memories of his 1991 race here. The Briton was leading comfortably when on the last lap he ground to a halt. It is commonly believed that he let his engine revs drop too low while waving to the crowd in celebration, thereby stalling the engine, However, the official Williams line was that Mansell suffered a late gearbox failure. Whatever the reason Nelson Piquet swept through to score perhaps his most fortunate F1 victory.
-The extraordinary 2011 Canadian Grand Prix is officially F1s longest race. The total race time (including a long suspension when the wet track was too treacherous to race upon) was a whopping 4 hours, four minutes and 39.537 seconds, over an hour and a quarter longer than the similarly disrupted Korean Grand Prix of 2010. Up until last years race in Montreal the longest Formula One event was the 1954 German Grand Prix, which lasted 3hr 45 minutes and 45.80 seconds. There was no rain interruption there though. That race was run in dry and mild conditions and featured 22 laps of the 22.81km Nurburgring, giving a huge total distance of 501.82km.
Wall of Champions Victims
-Alexander Wurz, two-time winner of the Le Mans 24 Hours, in 1997
-Damon Hill, 1996 F1 World Champion, in 1999
-Michael Schumacher, 7 time F1 World Champion, in 1999
-Jacques Villeneuve, 1997 F1 World Champion, in 1997 and 1999
-Ricardo Zonta, 1998 FIA GT sports car Champion, in 1999
-Nico Rosberg, 2005 GP2 Champion
-Nick Heidfeld, 1999 International Formula 3000 Champion, in 2001
-Jenson Button, 2009 F1 World Champion, in 2005
-Juan Pablo Montoya, 1999 CART Champion, in 2006
-Vitantonio Liuzzi, 2004 International Formula 3000 Champion, in 2007
-Kamui Kobayashi, 2008-09 GP2 Asia Series Champion, in 2010
-Sebastian Vettel, 2010-11 F1 World Champion, in 2011
Drivers Championship
Constructors Championship
Fantasy League Championship
Myoclonic Jerk
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Thanks Leunam. Very informative
Will watch the videos tomorrow thought
Will watch the videos tomorrow thought
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