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Playstation 4 Camera - Navigational voice commands
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quaint, it just reminds me of the comment in the "Xbox One only five countries get full Kinect voice experience' topic where the one Xbox fanboy said
"That's five more countries than Sony will ever have voice recognition in. Ever."
Oops for him I guess
I guess this is nice for people who want it, but I'll still be avoided the PS Camera like a plague
UNLESS they release something like Project Spark where you can make your own games and have homebrew motion capture. THEN i'd get it for that alone
Don't be lazy dude. Search and reveal.
Well here's the quote:
Darth Tigris said:
It's probably the quickest crow I've ever seen someone have to eat. The turn around on this crow is only a few hours. Bad timing for him lol
Wasn't trying to be lazy, just couldn't find the post for a bit lol
KoopaTheCasual
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LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I've got the PS4 Eye paid for so I'm definitely looking forward to this optional goodness.
My launch bundle comes with BF4 and 3 months of PS+. I'm buying the camera separately because I've owned all of the PS cameras so far (and Kinect) and I have had silly fun with them over the years. I understand that it's not desirable for everybody as I seem to be one of the chosen few here that really dig stuff like Kinect and PSEYE but I do like the fact that one console has it as an option and the other is based around it. Since I'm going to eventually own both I'd like there to be some differences in approach.
tl;dr For a lot of people (most?) Sony made the right call having it optional. I'm just hoping for at least decent support.
Tripolygon
Banned
There's been no reference to VR built into PS4 OS for navigation purposes since the reveal so I doubt this a bit.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I think it will but the option to do video chats and take pics for profiles in certain games is nice to have. The Playroom will be a blast for my kids to try.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Games will still win, don't worry.
It's also on product description at Amazon;
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGAA3S2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGAA3S2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I was going to get the camera based on hope. Playroom actually validated the purchase for me. I'm not even kidding. But I'm the type of person to smoke a bowl and have my wife walk in on me playing Happy Action Theatre. Naturally she joins in. I showed her Playroom and she's excited to play around with it too. Sony has been handling this run-up really well. I can't remember the last time a platform has seemed this solid, from messaging to hardware they are killing it.
It's also on product description at Amazon;
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BGAA3S2/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Yeah, it's been there for a while I believe.
Garrett 2U
Member
Curious as to how well it works and how integrated it is in OS.
Eating crow you say, Amir0x?
Motion tracking is really nice for homebrew motion capture, isn't it?
Eating crow you say, Amir0x?
Motion tracking is really nice for homebrew motion capture, isn't it?
Facism
Member
Eating crow you say, Amir0x?
Motion tracking is really nice for homebrew motion capture, isn't it?
Eh, I don't think this changes my position too much - I think it is a dead end piece of technology for GAMING. But Project Spark did modify my opinion to think that it could finally have a valuable application for making games since it allows homebrew motion capture solution, an idea I never thought of and never even imagined was possible.
That said, it makes sense, since motion capturing is not something that requires tactile feedback to function, as 99% of gaming genres do. So obviously it would be the type of concept to avoid my damning proclamation
But I have a far more open mind than people think... when something works, it works. I admit it when it happens. That homebrew motion capture solution is the first good idea I've ever heard for Kinect, and here I am admitting so
Facism said:well, he now has a tag that links to this post
lol damn now I sorta feel bad
Garrett 2U
Member
Haha, no harm no foulEh, I don't think this changes my position too much - I think it is a dead end piece of technology for GAMING. But Project Spark did modify my opinion to think that it could finally have a valuable application for making games since it allows homebrew motion capture solution, an idea I never thought of and never even imagined was possible.
That said, it makes sense, since motion capturing is not something that requires tactile feedback to function, as 99% of gaming genres do. So obviously it would be the type of concept to avoid my damning proclamation
I agree though, it is nice to actually see developers use motion in new ways with gaming, instead of just imagining the possibilities
I hope (and kinda expect) to see more of that stuff
Haha, no harm no foul
I agree though, it is nice to actually see developers use motion in new ways with gaming, instead of just imagining the possibilities
I hope to see more of that stuff
Yup. All I want is things that work man and I don't have to make sacrifices to enjoy. I was really floored when I heard about that concept of Project Spark, but since I was banned during Gamescom I couldn't comment on how surprised I was that here was an idea for Kinect that finally got through my cynicism and shocked me with its brilliance. That IS super smart, and if it works well, it might by itself justify the existence of Kinect since there'd be tons of people making homebrew games that utilize stuff like the motion capture.
We'll have to see how it comes together, but it's a good time to be a gamer regardless
The tough part about being a pure kinect game developer / publisher, is you have no idea how many people are actually using the camera, and how many wrapped it in electrical tape in the closet...if xb1 sells 10 million units, thats 10 million kinects, but how many users? how much of an undefined market do you think will buy the game...where do you set your budget??
At least with PS4eyes you feel better about the camera sales figure representing an actual interested party...granted this may lead to less 'AAA like' efforts, but will probably also not loss devs shirts.
just some thoughts...dismiss or praise as you wish.
Fake edit - Its like the Wii, they sold a bazillion, 75% are in closets, 20% play Wii sports once a year, 4% buy Mario games, and 1% might buy your game that had a bi budget cause you thought you had a bazillion potential buyers, when in fact you had 873. (all fake numbers
)Sorry, you said "kinect" so I thought you were talking the more general package. Voice commands by themselves have already been validated by a number of different products that have been implementing them and refining them over the years, well before kinect arrived.
And really the only thing that should be validating kinect, esp. as a mandatory pack-in, is...kinect. Which, it doesn't seem to be doing too well these days.
The tough part about being a pure kinect game developer / publisher, is you have no idea how many people are actually using the camera, and how many wrapped it in electrical tape in the closet...if xb1 sells 10 million units, thats 10 million kinects, but how many users? how much of an undefined market do you think will buy the game...where do you set your budget??
At least with PS4eyes you feel better about the camera sales figure representing an actual interested party...granted this may lead to less 'AAA like' efforts, but will probably also not loss devs shirts.
just some thoughts...dismiss or praise as you wish.
Fake edit - Its like the Wii, they sold a bazillion, 75% are in closets, 20% play Wii sports once a year, 4% buy Mario games, and 1% might buy your game that had a bi budget cause you thought you had a bazillion potential buyers, when in fact you had 873. (all fake numbers
Interesting. I wonder how a developer would feel about support if the PS4 has sold 40mil, the 180 20mil but the PSEYE 7mil? I might be crazy but I think the majority of people who buy a 180 will hook the Kinect up during the initial setup and leave it there.
Quadraphonic
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You know, all this talk about microphones in cameras seems ridiculous. You can get a 30c camera put into the console, make it the size of a pinhole, and not eve need an add-on for it to work.
Shalashaska161
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The best thing about Kinect is the voice command stuff. Glad to see Sony is implementing that as well.
That's an interesting assumption. Kinect has a 4 microphone array. PS4 Eye (and PS3 Eye for that matter) also has a 4 microphone array. Hardware wise there is nothing stopping either system from detecting voice well - it comes down to software.
Microsoft may have an edge here, though their inability to prepare for more than a few languages for launch isn't confidence inspiring. Sony may offer a simpler version, with 10-20 canned phrases, but that work OOTB and across a great deal of languages. That would actually be a preferable solution to me, rather than a hit and miss Siri like experience.
RanoNL
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Double Rainbows! It must be!
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
Sony created the Eyetoy and Microsoft then created the Vision Camera. Sony followed that up with the PSEye and Microsoft then brought out Kinect. So, do you people really believe that Sony are copying MS with PSEye2 or is it just a meme you've picked up along the way? If you honestly believe that Sony have put two cameras and better mic array in the PSEye2 just for the hell of it, you're crazy. The difference here is that when talking about the Sony camera, we say 'optional' whilst while talking about the Kinect2 we say 'potential'.
FeiRR
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It's been used for motion capturing by small dev studios and amateurs and for other purposes since it's 1.0 release for PC. For example, you can see a presentation done with it here http://youtu.be/Pv9-GRZZO1Q (but for me it looks funny that he's waving his arms istead of clicking with a mouse).
Lol.
Classic. Not only the quickest turnaround on someone having to eat crow but also the quickest tag from that crow-eating incident.
He's setting all sorts of records.
Voice commands will be nice for when I get suckered into getting the new camera for MM's game.
unholyrevenger72
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Sony's voice recognition has supported 20 languages since 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TaUsSy-f0Y
Miles Quaritch
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Cool, but as with Kinect's voice commands, why do I need to buy/use a camera to access this feature? Why can't I use a headset?
Seems silly to limit the use to just the camera.
Seems silly to limit the use to just the camera.
Makes sense, why else would a camera have a 4 microphone array and why else would SCE advertise for a voice recognition intern months ago:
http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/gadget-show/gadget-news/sony-ps4-to-get-kinect-style-voice-control
http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=5567991
http://gadgetshow.channel5.com/gadget-show/gadget-news/sony-ps4-to-get-kinect-style-voice-control
http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=5567991
Prince Vultan
Banned
How many countries will it work in?
I would like voice control if it would allow me to filter through a large body of content - e.g. my game library - quickly.
There it's actually a win over a controller. Say 'go to Killzone', and bring up the Killzone page, rather than scrolling through your library. Or 'play '<song title>''. Obviously with a small library it may still be faster to use a controller, but with a large one, it would be nice to be able to jump directly to what you want.
Remind me - did Kinect do this? Was it just preset labels assigned to things on the screen or could you use proper nouns/game names?
I never used Singstar's, but I liked in the demo that you could actually say a song or artist's name and it would bring it up.
There it's actually a win over a controller. Say 'go to Killzone', and bring up the Killzone page, rather than scrolling through your library. Or 'play '<song title>''. Obviously with a small library it may still be faster to use a controller, but with a large one, it would be nice to be able to jump directly to what you want.
Remind me - did Kinect do this? Was it just preset labels assigned to things on the screen or could you use proper nouns/game names?
I never used Singstar's, but I liked in the demo that you could actually say a song or artist's name and it would bring it up.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Generally it's preset labels for things you can see at any one time (from what I understand, that's how the system was designed because of memory constraints, since you need to keep recognition patterns in memory or something like that), but you could use Bing to search for anything. It worked... Sometimes.
They have a new system for Xbox One, of course, since the whole platform is built with Kinect in mind. It should be much more useful, flexible and natural.
dapperbandit
Banned
I like the "autmoatic picture-in-video footage of you when playing" thing on the Amazon description.
Feeling slightly lured to this.
Feeling slightly lured to this.
Canis lupus
Member
Glad I preordered the Killzone SF+2x DS4+Camera bundle, wouldn't have bought them separately at launch.
Nightengale
Member
This is hardly surprising. Even if Sony doesn't have any deep hooks into the system right now, voice-command is pretty much the easiest component that Sony can copy from Kinect. And it's not something they don't have experience with.
Sony may not want to make any murmurs about their Camera to avoid direct comparison with Kinect, but I don't doubt that they're definitely trying to get as close as possible to parity with Kinect, at least in core usability functions.
Deeper Kinect features that is hardware reliant is of course, out of the question. But in a way, you could argue that Sony is banking that deeper uses of Kinect, like individual finger tracking, night-vision and heart-rate sensing don't take off and remains nothing more than a built-in gimmick. ( by not bundling their own camera )
Sony may not want to make any murmurs about their Camera to avoid direct comparison with Kinect, but I don't doubt that they're definitely trying to get as close as possible to parity with Kinect, at least in core usability functions.
Deeper Kinect features that is hardware reliant is of course, out of the question. But in a way, you could argue that Sony is banking that deeper uses of Kinect, like individual finger tracking, night-vision and heart-rate sensing don't take off and remains nothing more than a built-in gimmick. ( by not bundling their own camera )
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Gimmicks can be a lot of fun. I just hate when they are oversold, like with Kinect1. I think that's where a lot of the issues with Kinect2 come from, blowback from the marketing 'lies' of Kinect1.
REMEMBER CITADEL
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Perhaps there's some truth in that, but then you have to remember that both PS3 and Xbox 360 (and many consoles before them) were being oversold to us in their pre-launch days. I don't think that's the main reason behind antagonism toward Kinect.
Oh nice. Still, it's cool it's being utilized centrally for a thing like Project Spark to make it easier for burgeoning game designers to do stuff like this. When you think about it, the savings something like that must allow is insane.
is this the same amount of languages that will be supported by PS4 at launch? It's very difficult these days to keep track of what's going work when and how for who for these systems anymore. Need a manual to know which features will be at launch and for whom lol
Not being funny, what special depth does Kinect have? MS haven't even shown it off. As with most voice recognition solutions it will fall down if there is background noise in the room, that is pretty much guaranteed.
Apple don't even bother advertising Siri anymore as everyone knows it is not very good.
The video says that lib 'intends' to support 20 languages, but that's not necessarily the same thing as actually doing that...
And the PS4 stuff might be another library. So I wouldn't use it as a guide.
Yeah, I that's what we should get. Waste of potential with just preset labels IMO.
I suspect Kinect 2 to be better in this respect than Kinect 1, but this old image still makes me chuckle (It's a bit fanboyish, but applies to all those systems). It also fits with my own experience. Even if a voice recognition system works 95% of the time, those 5% where it doesn't work are over-proportionally annoying.
