Us intellectually unarmed plebs cannot possibly hope to understand the TRUE meaning of a Deus Ex Machine like Kubo can.
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Infinite Justice
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Plus he apparently reverse engineered the abilities of most (maybe, fucking all) of the royal guard to help everyone else
He's still a cool character so what's so hard to fucking accept that he's pretty much a walking DEM?
gundamkyoukai
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AOT
Eren went all shonen which was awesome , Mikasa is so cute i already miss seeing her in anime format .
I see you guys still talking about DEM in bleach .
Eren went all shonen which was awesome , Mikasa is so cute i already miss seeing her in anime format .
I see you guys still talking about DEM in bleach .
dakkumauji
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Yandere Kanojo 52.5
Best treasure hunt ever.
Best treasure hunt ever.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
On this discussion it's pretty much Beam vs Everyone Else, huh.
Infinite Justice
Member
Isn't that always though?
It's his fault. Maybe if he was capable of presenting an argument without taking wild potshots at people...
Anyone: [insert event here] from the latest Bleach was dumb.
Beam: You're dumb! And how can you criticise Bleach when you read [insert any manga here]?
brotkasten
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Is there a reason why Murara did the chapter where Saitama killed the sea king twice, but with different art or rather panels from different angles?
gundamkyoukai
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Passive Assassin
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cause goddamn based murata sama sensei
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
"I don't contribute anything to the thread and i talk shit about a manga i don't read"
I did offer explicit and concise explanation plenty of times.
By your logic anyone in any manga that offers solutions and have knowledge about anything is a walking Deus ex machina. Let's just ignore that Urahara is a established scientist within the Bleachverse with knowledge about all kind of different things in the manga, and offers explanations to what he does, and things that he does does not come out of no where like he did in this chapter and was shown in previous chapters that he will find a solution to the problem. Offering shortcuts while still true to the Bleachverse does not constitute in any way a DEM.
You want to know what's a true DEM is, I will give you an example. In one piece world it was been established that every person can only have one DF. There comes BB and gets 2 without any explanation whatsoever to how he did and he destroyed the fundamental base of what's already established about DF.
You should read previous page. A couple of people think like i do.
dakkumauji
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Tanaka-kun wa Itsumo Kedaruge 01-03
The daily adventures of Tanaka who tries to do nothing at all and Oota who goes along with him every non-step he takes.
Pretty amusing, especially seeing how far Tanaka goes in not trying to do anything.
The daily adventures of Tanaka who tries to do nothing at all and Oota who goes along with him every non-step he takes.
Pretty amusing, especially seeing how far Tanaka goes in not trying to do anything.
Jesus Christ...
Anyway the Oricon Comic Rankings from September 30th - October 6th
01. Kuroko no Basket #24 (364,400)
02. Ansatsu Kyoushitsu #6 (311,920)
03. 3-Gatsu no Lion #9 (142,447 / 441,592)
04. Haikyuu!! #8 (120,379)
05. Kinnikuman #44 (56,919)
06. Ohkami Heika no Hanayome #9 (56,343)
07. Kangoku Gakuen #10 (51,094)
08. Magi #18 (47,165 / 476,368)
09. Tajuu Jingaku Tantei Psycho #19 (42,107)
10. Ohkami Shoujo to Kuro Ouji #7 (41,551 / 144,423)
11. Shingeki no Kyojin #9 (35,709 / 1,851,288)
12. Football Nation #5 (35,091 / 35,328)
13. Shingeki no Kyojin #10 (32,015 / 1,813,584)
14. Shingeki no Kyojin #8 (31,892 / 1,872,232)
15. Shinjuku Swan #37 (31,780)
16. Shingeki no Kyojin #1 (31,651 / 2,264,041)
17. Mogura no Uta #37 (31,374)
18. Shingeki no Kyojin #2 (30,274 / 2,200,555)
19. Shingeki no Kyojin #3 (30,180 / 2,145,749)
20. Shingeki no Kyojin #6 (30,152 / 1,940,897)
21. Shingeki no Kyojin #4 (30,097 / 2,018,399)
22. Shingeki no Kyojin #5 (29,909 / 1,982,093)
23. Switch Girl!! #23 (29,545 / 77,184)
24. Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kouen-mae Hashutsujo #187 (29,410)
25. Shingeki no Kyojin #7 (29,366 / 1,866,585)
26. Skip Beat! #33 (28,900 / 274,713)
27. Sengoku Ichiryuuki #5 (28,859)
28. Kantai Collection -Kan Kore- Anthology Comic Yokosu-ka Chinjufu-hen #1 (28,610 / 80,071)
29. Principle #7 (27,892 / 95,905)
30. Cuticle Tantei Inaba #12 (26,220 / 58,671)
31. Naruto #66 (25,922 / 990,288)
32. Hachimitsu ni Hatsukoi #5 (25,521 / 71,993)
33. Watashi ga Motenai no wa dou Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui! #5 (25,423 / 132,801)
34. Kuroneko Kareshi no Amaekata (24,782 / 25,199)
35. Juu～Ninpou Makai Tensei～ #3 (23,925)
36. Psychometrer #10 (23,702)
37. Bakaramon #8 (22,047 / 153,704)
38. Magi Sinbad no Bouken #1 (20,976 / 205,484)
39. Neko to Watashi no Kinyoubi #2 (20,326 / 68,313)
40. Hibi Chouchou #5 (19,287 / 83,454)
41. Ayakashi Hisen #10 (19,188 / 51,066)
42. Chihayafuru #22 (19,100 / 342,971)
43. 07-Ghost #17 (18,960 / 62,237)
44. One Piece #71 (17,440 / 2,796,935)
45. Nijiiro Days #4 (16,968 / 65,113)
46. Kaze no Daichi #60 (16,917 / 17,418)
47. Kurosaki Shitai Takuhaibin #18 (16,557)
48. Saint☆Oniisan #9 (16,459 / 672,565)
49. Shingeki no Kyojin #11 (16,267 / 1,340,478)
50. Hirunaka no Ryuusei #7 (16,157 / 64,464)
Anyway the Oricon Comic Rankings from September 30th - October 6th
01. Kuroko no Basket #24 (364,400)
02. Ansatsu Kyoushitsu #6 (311,920)
03. 3-Gatsu no Lion #9 (142,447 / 441,592)
04. Haikyuu!! #8 (120,379)
05. Kinnikuman #44 (56,919)
06. Ohkami Heika no Hanayome #9 (56,343)
07. Kangoku Gakuen #10 (51,094)
08. Magi #18 (47,165 / 476,368)
09. Tajuu Jingaku Tantei Psycho #19 (42,107)
10. Ohkami Shoujo to Kuro Ouji #7 (41,551 / 144,423)
11. Shingeki no Kyojin #9 (35,709 / 1,851,288)
12. Football Nation #5 (35,091 / 35,328)
13. Shingeki no Kyojin #10 (32,015 / 1,813,584)
14. Shingeki no Kyojin #8 (31,892 / 1,872,232)
15. Shinjuku Swan #37 (31,780)
16. Shingeki no Kyojin #1 (31,651 / 2,264,041)
17. Mogura no Uta #37 (31,374)
18. Shingeki no Kyojin #2 (30,274 / 2,200,555)
19. Shingeki no Kyojin #3 (30,180 / 2,145,749)
20. Shingeki no Kyojin #6 (30,152 / 1,940,897)
21. Shingeki no Kyojin #4 (30,097 / 2,018,399)
22. Shingeki no Kyojin #5 (29,909 / 1,982,093)
23. Switch Girl!! #23 (29,545 / 77,184)
24. Kochira Katsushika-ku Kameari Kouen-mae Hashutsujo #187 (29,410)
25. Shingeki no Kyojin #7 (29,366 / 1,866,585)
26. Skip Beat! #33 (28,900 / 274,713)
27. Sengoku Ichiryuuki #5 (28,859)
28. Kantai Collection -Kan Kore- Anthology Comic Yokosu-ka Chinjufu-hen #1 (28,610 / 80,071)
29. Principle #7 (27,892 / 95,905)
30. Cuticle Tantei Inaba #12 (26,220 / 58,671)
31. Naruto #66 (25,922 / 990,288)
32. Hachimitsu ni Hatsukoi #5 (25,521 / 71,993)
33. Watashi ga Motenai no wa dou Kangaetemo Omaera ga Warui! #5 (25,423 / 132,801)
34. Kuroneko Kareshi no Amaekata (24,782 / 25,199)
35. Juu～Ninpou Makai Tensei～ #3 (23,925)
36. Psychometrer #10 (23,702)
37. Bakaramon #8 (22,047 / 153,704)
38. Magi Sinbad no Bouken #1 (20,976 / 205,484)
39. Neko to Watashi no Kinyoubi #2 (20,326 / 68,313)
40. Hibi Chouchou #5 (19,287 / 83,454)
41. Ayakashi Hisen #10 (19,188 / 51,066)
42. Chihayafuru #22 (19,100 / 342,971)
43. 07-Ghost #17 (18,960 / 62,237)
44. One Piece #71 (17,440 / 2,796,935)
45. Nijiiro Days #4 (16,968 / 65,113)
46. Kaze no Daichi #60 (16,917 / 17,418)
47. Kurosaki Shitai Takuhaibin #18 (16,557)
48. Saint☆Oniisan #9 (16,459 / 672,565)
49. Shingeki no Kyojin #11 (16,267 / 1,340,478)
50. Hirunaka no Ryuusei #7 (16,157 / 64,464)
I don't think anyone read Bleach for the scenario or something.
Heck I'm starting to struggle in remembering when was the last time Urahara wasn't the guy who solved anyone's problem in a contrivied manner.
Heck I'm not even hating on the FB arc and even thought it wasn't THAT bad but damn Ichigo gets its power back without even earning anything.
It was all fucking pointless the way Kubo wrote it, Ichigo could have stayed home and let the others stab him with that blade and Kubo would have spared us an arc that cause his show to be cancelled.
Similarly the captains could have stalled for time and and waited for the getta guy to do their job for them and we would have been spared some prettyboy panneltime.
And heck this could have been done so much better without even being so shitty.
At this point we read Bleach for the pretty pictures and then there's Beam I guess...
And seriously what's with the One Piece potshot?
Can't you defend Bleach without smearing other mangas or something?
Heck I'm starting to struggle in remembering when was the last time Urahara wasn't the guy who solved anyone's problem in a contrivied manner.
Heck I'm not even hating on the FB arc and even thought it wasn't THAT bad but damn Ichigo gets its power back without even earning anything.
It was all fucking pointless the way Kubo wrote it, Ichigo could have stayed home and let the others stab him with that blade and Kubo would have spared us an arc that cause his show to be cancelled.
Similarly the captains could have stalled for time and and waited for the getta guy to do their job for them and we would have been spared some prettyboy panneltime.
And heck this could have been done so much better without even being so shitty.
At this point we read Bleach for the pretty pictures and then there's Beam I guess...
And seriously what's with the One Piece potshot?
Can't you defend Bleach without smearing other mangas or something?
Infinite Justice
Member
Shingeki still trucking with Kuroko and Ass Class doing their thing on the top .
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Hmm, no shokugeki? Or am I missing something?
That a new volume was released last month.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I know, but I was wondering if it would appear on the charts or not.
Nothing unusual about that, usually only the best selling manga manage to stay on the charts for that long, or manga which recently got a boost from an adaptation.
Glass Rebel
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no beam, they don't think like you do
they might agree with you
but nobody thinks like you
also that OP example is in no way a DEM, not by any definition of the word. Not that OP is free of the trope.
they might agree with you
but nobody thinks like you
also that OP example is in no way a DEM, not by any definition of the word. Not that OP is free of the trope.
brotkasten
Member
So no real reason, other than he might not have been happy with the previous version.
Infinite Justice
Member
I assume he still gets paid as well?
Glass Rebel
Member
Break Blade 60
Awesome mech fights but so many struggle feels. Lygatto being a fucking boss in the mech after a few fights was hilarious as well. And somewhere the scan groups must have switched when they changed names e.g. Shigwen to Siyugsomethingsomething.
Talking of her, the (literally) wet dream was incredible. *insertion sound* left me /murked
Awesome mech fights but so many struggle feels. Lygatto being a fucking boss in the mech after a few fights was hilarious as well. And somewhere the scan groups must have switched when they changed names e.g. Shigwen to Siyugsomethingsomething.
Talking of her, the (literally) wet dream was incredible. *insertion sound* left me /murked
gundamkyoukai
Member
Out of all the eg to call a DEM in OP he used that one it's hilarious .
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Rereading Gun Blaze West. Such a promising series. So much potential and world building. Its a shame that Jump editors are so ruthless, even to former successful mangaka. I wish there was more....
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Well if you think about it, Uruhara was only there to save Ichigo's mom because of Aizen. So Uruhara has merely been reacting to the real mover the whole series. He hasn't been in control of any situation until maybe now.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Ichigo did not earn it? He went through isolation hell in that arc, and it developed Ichigo significantly. Ichigo finally realized that if he wanted to protect people he needs his powers back, which makes his life as a normal human an impossibility. So yeah, Ichigo did earn his zampakto back.
Yeah, don´t generalize. There are people on Gaf and outside of Gaf who enjoy Bleach a lot.
Giving an example about Deus Ex Machina does not constitute a potshot. Besides i actually read what i criticize unlike some individual here.
Ichigo did get into some ordeal but it's totally unrelated to how he got his power back in the end.
It's actually kinda like how Aizen got owned in the end, he fought for a while and then because editors told Kubo to fucking end it the battle stopped because of somthing Urahara did that we never had any idea he did.
I don't think I (and I believe others too) am saying that Bleach can't be enjoyable or even fun.
Seriously there's plenty to love about it, the way it is written isn't one of these reasons.
And most importantly Kubo isn't a good writer that's pretty clear for quite some time now, even by shonen standards it's just not that good.
Your example is not a Deus Ex Machina
Even by tvtropes standards it's not one.
Heck what happens this week in Bleach can be summed by the quote tvtrope gives of deus ex machina
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeusExMachina
If you wanted to give a good example of Deus Ex Machina wihtout the use of Urahara in Bleach there's
this guy got robbed because Deus Ex Machina.
Even Ichigo isn't happy with this one.
Aizo
Banned
I remember when you all were complaining about the Beam Spam arc in Magi, but I don't read Magi, so I thought you all were talking about this kind of Beam spam.
Stop baiting and fighting, guys.
Making arguments personal when they're about comics for Japanese teenage boys is bad for your health.
Stop baiting and fighting, guys.
Making arguments personal when they're about comics for Japanese teenage boys is bad for your health.
brotkasten
Member
Good question. They have little reason not to pay him, even if he did the same work twice. It's not like they have to reprint it again because of him, with OPM being a web manga and all that.
Hahahaha, the main breh Beam is holding down the BDF. You a one man army out here bruh. Even if Beam misrepresents the BDFs tenants and ideals sometimes, props are given.
Oh, and there is nothing wrong with Urahara being a walking D.E.M, just stop it people. He's a boss first and foremost.
Oh, and there is nothing wrong with Urahara being a walking D.E.M, just stop it people. He's a boss first and foremost.
And that's really a way better defense for this chapter
brotkasten
Member
Not that this chapter needed to be defended in the first place.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
What did you think about Zangetsu being Ichigo´s quincy powers?
@Mael. How can the Ulquiorra thing be a DEM, when it was foreshadowed in chapter 289, and Ichigo´s hollow mask kept evolving, and Ichigo´s hollow has saved him before?
It's DEM because earlier in the plot, Ichigo was killed and it needed Orihime to make him come back from that.
It's never even really well explained too.
Then again it's less a DEM than an asspull for that one.
e : And chapter 289? the one with Nel and that other guy? How?
e2 : you're BSing or something 289 is the one we learn who Nel really is and that's it.
There's nothing on Ichigo's mask.
Glass Rebel
Member
Because it's indefensible?
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Ichigo was not dead. He was still conscience or else he would not have heard Orihime. He even had an internal monologue with himself. In the Scarmask chapter it shows Ichigo with his hollow mask on the cover.
And besides Ichigo´s mask has changed throughout the series.
Watch the red lines pattern and how it changed throughout the series.
So how don't know what preceeded this achievement, actions showing that it's not random.
But shitting on OP, shame on you, especially since BB having more than one ability is one of the big mysteries of the series. -_-
I don't even like Urahara and I can't argue with this logic. Stat, why are you so amazing?
Aizo
Banned
Glass Rebel
Member
*derail*
What's the name of that gag-manga which had someone summon the blue eyes white dragon among other things. Bobobingbong something.
What's the name of that gag-manga which had someone summon the blue eyes white dragon among other things. Bobobingbong something.
Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo
The best Jump gag manga ever
The MC literally summons Yugi from his afro.
Yeah, I don't read Bleach. But that doesn't mean I've never read it. I know who Urahara is and how Kubo uses him.
Glass Rebel
Member
Yup, that one! Thanks.
Guess I know what I'm doing this afternoon.
Guess I know what I'm doing this afternoon.
Aizo
Banned
I love Bobobo. Oh, man.
My friends and I used to watch the anime late at night at my uni together. If we watched more than a couple episodes at a time, we felt like we were going insane.
I remember getting home from school eating dinner and watching it in the living room when I was a kid. I loved it.
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