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Why does Microsoft not just end this generation earlier than planned?
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They can only do this with a cheap upgrade program for existing customers. But what they really need to do is cut the price by $100 to 299 for the kinectless console, step up their game considerably with games with gold and get back in that spot where they offer the best value for money. To buy an X1 over a PS4 at the same price you have to be stupid. And I say that as an Xbox fanboy.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
Microsoft has no reason hit the reset button any time soon. The only people supporting this idea are hardcore Xbox fans that are having a hard time watching their console of choice get beaten badly.
Microsofts main aim going forward needs to be recreating the kind of buzz and affection they had from fans in the early to mid years of the 360.
They can do this by bringing the exclusives, every type of game imaginable. They should bolster thier first party, by both buying and creating new studios. Turn Rare into the worlds greatest dev again, secure 3rd party exclusives, bring back legacy IP like Banjo or PD. Just create real fanfare. Make games in every genre, RPGs, JRPGs, platformers you name it.
Continue to upgrade the OS and make Live the best place to game. Bring back the X events as again, it creates fanfare.
They do all of this over the next few years, and the last 9 months will never happen again for Xbox.
They can do this by bringing the exclusives, every type of game imaginable. They should bolster thier first party, by both buying and creating new studios. Turn Rare into the worlds greatest dev again, secure 3rd party exclusives, bring back legacy IP like Banjo or PD. Just create real fanfare. Make games in every genre, RPGs, JRPGs, platformers you name it.
Continue to upgrade the OS and make Live the best place to game. Bring back the X events as again, it creates fanfare.
They do all of this over the next few years, and the last 9 months will never happen again for Xbox.
After launching xbox one in more countries and still lagging behind ps4 sales wise , i think microsoft will cut the price either $349 or agressively to $299 next holiday i.e ,in 2015 and bundle halo 5 . This move will make xbox one sell more though microsoft will take a loss at hardware . Like nintendo did with 3ds launching with mario 3d land
I feel like this paragraph is this gif in words:
It is a great dream to have, but it's just a wet dream currently.
I feel like this paragraph is this gif in words:
It is a great dream to have, but it's just a wet dream currently.
Phils recent comments about him wanting to rival Nintendo tell me that they're serious. It's the reason why I wrote that paragraph. MS are in the posistion where they basically need to start providing reasons for people to like Xbox again.
Edit. Nintendo have survived numerous X1 style situations, (the Wii U, GCN,N64) due to thier first party being so strong. It is the type of comment I wanted to hear from Phil.
GHG
Gold Member
The issue is that actions speak louder than words. It speaks volumes when MSFT would rather pump billions into purchasing minecraft rather than invest that money into their 1st parties for the long term.
They still have it the wrong way round from the "investment" perspective IMO.
Black Mantis
Member
I reckon this generation is going to be shorter than the last anyway, in terms of when we see successors released from all manufacturers. I give it 4 more years.
Green Yoshi
Member
Why not? Long lifecycles are not that attractive anymore. It was the right move to release the 360 only four years after the original Xbox 1.
You haven't understood at all the deal with MS & Mojang.They aren't like a first party, they sold the copyright of minecraft. I think when you talk about MS you need to be a bit less 'enthusiastic'because you completely mislead the reality.
Fun fact: The xbone is cheaper here in mexico, 7k pesos, around 50 dlls cheaper than a PS4, I think it has to do with some wizardry MS is pulling of with import taxes. I know it is also cheaper in Canada and Brasil. Fun fact number 2: ps4 is still outselling the xbone here.
IMO if they want to boost sales they need to make a redesign (sleek slim version) and launch a new marketing campaign, seriously even here a lot of people think you can't play used games on the bone, they need some sort of re-launch of the same console.
Personally I don't worry about it, the xbone is doing alright in perspective. I own the 3 major consoles but prefer the xbone, they don't need to outsell the ps4 to remain viable, so whatever..
IMO if they want to boost sales they need to make a redesign (sleek slim version) and launch a new marketing campaign, seriously even here a lot of people think you can't play used games on the bone, they need some sort of re-launch of the same console.
Personally I don't worry about it, the xbone is doing alright in perspective. I own the 3 major consoles but prefer the xbone, they don't need to outsell the ps4 to remain viable, so whatever..
Goodacre0081
Member
I think the entire premise of this thread is crazy but it got me thinking about the Dreamcast. anyone know about a recap/documentary of what happened there?
The way I see it, the real problem was the Jaguar... Sega put himself in a weak position with that P.O.S
George Claw M.D.
Member
Please. Don't act like Microsoft bought Mojang for their talent. Their leader even flew the coop before the ink even dried. MS paid $2 billion for Minecraft, period. Do you know how many games of various budgets could have been funded with $2 billion? Instead, they buy the rights to a game that was already on every system except Nintendo's. $2 billion could subsidize a $100 price cut on the next 20 million Xbones sold, by which time manufacturing processes could improve to reduce the cost of building Xbones. In fact, the Minecraft purchase was probably to bolster Windows phones and tablets more than helping Xbox, because there are far better ways that $2 billion could be used to bolster Xbox than buying Minecraft.
IndoAssassin
Banned
Why is everyone so worried about MS? The Xbox One is here to stay and will get games for it till the end of this gen. Updates are coming on a monthly basis. MS is still buying 3rd party exclusives by the boatload. They have plenty of exclusives being developed by internal studios.
Only time anyone should worry about their Xbox One is if MS stops doing any of these things. Even then multiplats will still be released for it.
Unless sales dip to 5 figures, then might be a problem. But man what is up with all the doom and gloom? The X1 will sell fine over the holidays.
Only time anyone should worry about their Xbox One is if MS stops doing any of these things. Even then multiplats will still be released for it.
Unless sales dip to 5 figures, then might be a problem. But man what is up with all the doom and gloom? The X1 will sell fine over the holidays.
It hasn't even been a year yet....Sony made a profit with PS3...and MS is doing awesome work with their updates and exclusive line up...Yeah i believe it's a no brainer in my opinion
Moving4Motion
Banned
People need to stop comparing so much and realise the One is still a big success at the moment.
I'm pretty sure that is illegal. You know the whole monopoly thing lol
360 sold 6 million units first year. This holiday season will easily push the XB1 over that mark.
Yeah right. Change the initial strategy it's sign of a big success. Xbone not bombed like the wiiu but it's far away to be a big success from the MS perspective.
In any case I'm expect MS will kill it before than expected just in time to launch a new hardware.
Miles Quaritch
Member
That deal was primarily targeted at strengthening their tablet line, they're going to make any Minecraft games exclusive to Xbox.
Solaire of Astora
Death by black JPN
No. It dominated North America and the UK. Pretty sure the rest of the world was Sonyland. Japan was significant last gen, but on it's own, it wasn't enough to help the PS3 catch the 360. Other territories played a big factor.
Tomb Raider? No. It's a timed exclusive. Other than Diehard Tomb Raider fans (and I'm not sure how many there are judging by the last game's reception), it's not going to do much. Minecraft is probable, but we don't know what Microsoft's plans for it are yet. They might prefer to make as much money as possible by releasing/supporting it on everything as opposed to making it fully exclusive to MS platforms. It'll be timed exclusive no doubt, but the jury's still out on how definite that exclusivity is.
What? No. But a cheap (compared to the market at the time), well performing blu ray player was a desirable feature at the time.
I meant console exclusive, so no Playstation platforms basically. It will be on everything else though.
Edit. I wouldn't rule out Xbox getting its own specific games in the series as well.
Phil Spencer was the guy who did the Minecraft purchase, so it's obvious the gaming division have big plans for the series.
Captain Tuttle
Member
Frankly the reason most seem to be worried in this thread is that the Xbone might be successful. Of course first place is best but a profitable second place isn't a failure.
Can you prove something of what you said, or they are just talks? Mojang hasn't an exclusive deal with MS for the future games from what we know. It's just minecraft in the MS hands. They haven't a deal how first party. It's quite different.
LiquidSolid
Member
Nah, spending a few more billion dollars developing and launching a new console sounds like a much better idea than having a profitable console.
People be crazy.
I'm not sure whether Microsoft will even have another console but if they do, they're better off spending a few years fixing up their weaknesses and letting their biggest mistakes fade from memory than doing something stupid and rushing a console out long before one's needed.
gaming_noob
Member
Mojang belongs to MS. No announcements yet on the games being developed at the time of aquisition.
Phil Spencer was also the guy who made the Nfl deal so that pretty much says nothing.
FreeMufasa
Junior Member
Wow, do some people really think MS/Sony/Nintendo can develop a new system + line up in 2 years?
gaming_noob
Member
Are you sure Spencer was the one who made the NFL deal?
The funny thing about all this is I mostly use my PS4 for Netflix.
If the Xbox One would've come to market with a BT Sport app and all the other on demand TV trimmings (In the UK) I might've bitten. As it was they half baked what was a very specific recipe and left the end result feeling inedible.
I wouldn't rule out getting an Xbox One down the line, especially with all the great things Microsoft do to move the system on and add features per month, so to the OP's point we're nowhere near the territory of needing a generational restart.
Sony has a part to play in all this as well. Momentum is so key, PS4 had a brilliant start, I think the new software update is seriously needed.
If the Xbox One would've come to market with a BT Sport app and all the other on demand TV trimmings (In the UK) I might've bitten. As it was they half baked what was a very specific recipe and left the end result feeling inedible.
I wouldn't rule out getting an Xbox One down the line, especially with all the great things Microsoft do to move the system on and add features per month, so to the OP's point we're nowhere near the territory of needing a generational restart.
Sony has a part to play in all this as well. Momentum is so key, PS4 had a brilliant start, I think the new software update is seriously needed.
gaming_noob
Member
I always thought it was Mattrick who pushed for that. From what I hear the NFL app is sluggish and no one talks about it anymore...gigantic bomb.
I think it's the other way around. "Unsuccessful", taking a hard beating and killing the brand. The console is currently successful. Not just PS4 successful which is the issue some have.
Depends on what earlier than expected means, earlier than last gens overextented lifecycle, or earlier by the more common 5-6 year lifecycle. In general I don´t think that this would be a bad idea, considering that Sony wouldn´t be to eager to substitute a console that is doing well. This could lead to a nice timeframe for having the most powerful system available, something that right now is one of the biggest selling points for PS4. But it has to be more than a year earlier than the competition to be more of a selling point this time around.
Battlefield 5 with controller support and aim assist on pc... Im praying
Hopefully titanfall on pc is the start of a new trend
So MS will basically pay for developing a system, where they host 2 platforms of direct competitors that offer some the same content MS sells on XBL.
Some of this content even for less money!
They had forza running on pc a while back now... If xbone games could be played on windows 10 pc then it would be huge
Is there a possibility it can use the xbones dashboard via client/app or something?
I think you are wrong on every point. For a start, Satya Nadela is guy who had the say in what happened and will happen, after all this is his first acquisition as MS CEO, and he made a very clear point about his intentions http://news.microsoft.com/2014/09/15/minecraft-to-join-microsoft/
You don't spend $2 billion+ just to then neuter part of the community making minecraft what it is. As Nadella says, "Minecraft is more than a great game franchise – it is an open world platform, driven by a vibrant community we care deeply about, and rich with new opportunities for that community and for Microsoft".
This will be all about expanding that existing community, not curtailing it or creating "exclusives" for xbox. Expect new games on every platform every time (yes, that includes Sony and Playstation), and expect lots of licensed stuff from toys to films.
intheinbetween
Member
5 year cycle would be perfect for the big 3 companies
It's doing well in the US. WW not so much.
Mass_Pincup
Banned
Why did they released the kinectless SKU then? If it was such a success then they would be no point to release a cheaper SKU.
dragonelite
Member
I think they should compete on price. Launching earlier doesn't really help if Sony can take the performance crown a year later. Sit this Gen out try to minimize the sales gap as much as possible and launch with an competitive in performance console when next cycle should start. Something like 360 vs ps3 again.
regenhuber88
Banned
Are you serious?
What would be the "huge" effect this would have for MS?
Sell more Windows 10 upgrade licenses at 29 each, while taking away reasons to buy a 399 console plus Live subscription.
(if all X1 games would have to run on Win 10, many people would not be able to upgrade to it, because a 300 notebook won't run Horizon2)