Twitter barely shuts down ISIS recruitment and had to be masscalled out to even attempt to deal with it.
Do you think they care about some youtuber making racist remarks?
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Ethan of H3H3 retracts defamatory claims against WSJ writer (WSJ responds)
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Twitter barely shuts down ISIS recruitment and had to be masscalled out to even attempt to deal with it.
Do you think they care about some youtuber making racist remarks?
Captin Quacker
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unless he was forced to do all this, dude brought it upon himself
Favorite meme from the day.
Its amusing the Youtubers retweeting the video were the typical culprits of the *Media is out to get us* people.
Gordon Shumway
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Truly..
Bobby Roberts
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I dunno, I figure it's more "I know I wouldn't wanna lose my job for making a mistake!" and that's pretty much it.
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The Driver
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Like, damn, some old google fu, takedowns of a few scumbag Youtubers, along with a couple of skype interviews later and the dude think's he has one over on the WSJ lol.
Ethan, you KNOW this one is real.
Ethan, you KNOW this one is real.
Which completely accepts the power differential at play here. To be consistent you should be doing that elsewhere in your life as well.
That might explain why they like the argument, but this is the reason that it exists in the wider public discourse. Most people don't actually create new arguments. They draw on old established ones and adjust them to the matter at hand.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Twitter has been too busy:
Is this the egg now?
SlickShoesRUCrazy
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Because fake news propagaters need to be taught there are repercussions for making shit up.
One of the biggest influencers this past presidential election was the spreading of fake news and misinformation on fakebook. Look up pizzagate.
Seriously, hold the mainstream media accountable if they fuck up, but that doesn't mean some dude on YouTube gets a slide for spreading fake news to millions of people.
He tried to work a work, but he ended up working himself into a shoot.
Twitter has been too busy:
Twitter can't have a problem with eggs if the default avatar is no longer an egg.
They are geniuses /s
I dont go out of my way to defame news organizations and then hide within my content platform to absolve myself of any responsibility for my own actions.
And If i did, i would expect them to respond and respond with swift and harsh action. Because im not an idiot.
Egg? What's that? No no no, they fixed this "egg" problem, can't you see? That's not an egg.
why are you talkingaboutaneggdoeplsstop
That's why I really wish it wasn't Ethan behind this video, because regardless of any merit it would have had his purpose was always to keep the "youtubers vs lying media" narrative going.
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How can this boring silhouette be associated with racist pieces of shit? It's just impossible.
Yep. They replaced the egg avatar with that because they felt there was a problem with how people have reacted to eggs on Twitter. Completely missing the point of why people had issues with the eggs, because it was people making new accounts just to harass to avoid bans and blocks.
Also loses the metaphor of Twitter and being an egg, the tweet button is a feather, the Twitter icon is a bird, and the whole thing about Twitter is birds.
Captin Quacker
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at this point I expect Angryjoe to come out hating Mexicans
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
Fortunately, California is showing the rest of the country how it is done and there's a bill to criminalize fake news. I'm sure Repubs will try to kill it, but there is hope.
Doesn't h3h3 live in CA? Hopefully the bill is retroactive!
Frozenprince
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There's no shenanigans to be had.
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
I understood the ISIS thing because you can't take down something just because a western government declares it "terrorism." It's a slippery slope. But ignoring the clear and present danger of white supremacy from people like Pewdiepie and Jon Jafari is criminal, tbh.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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They're not even trying to look like they're trying anymore lol
Roland_Gunner
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The ethics here are one thing but it seems like WSJ would have a decent case. Ethan straight up admits that he didn't do even basic checks before publishing his piece. That may not be slander but its getting close to negligence. If there are any attorneys on the board I'd be very interested in their input.
Do you want everyone you disagree with banned everywhere?
Aaron Strife
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Dude can go get a job at McDonald's. They're always hiring.
If you have a cushy job don't jeopardize it by doing stupid shit, why is this so hard?
Big-ass Ramp
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... if it's racism... sure?
faceless007
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There are certainly lots of things that the western mainstream media, or "old media" as certain YouTube celebrities might take to calling it, could be legitimately criticized for when it comes to fulfilling their duties to the public and providing an effective check on institutional power, but one thing that the well-known respectable outlets unquestionably do very well is instill in their workforces a proper sense of journalistic responsibility. That means understanding the importance of fact-checking, confirming information with multiple sources, never taking one biased source's word at face value, understanding the difference between an allegation and a factual statement or the difference between a legally actionable statement and an opinion -- broadly speaking, all the skills that constitute proper journalistic investigation and reporting. Most reporters for the respectable outlets have gone to journalism school specifically to learn these crucial ideas, because they're the bare minimum knowledge required to be considered a professional journalist.
What we're seeing now unfortunately with the YouTube generation is the rise of a group of people who are sheltered, naive, and awfully self-absorbed, and think that just because they have a webcam and a YouTube account and an unshakable sense of self-certainty bordering on narcissism, that they've been imbued with the same ability to reveal malfeasance and expose unethical actions by institutions that the mainstream media enjoys. Which is fine to an extent, the democratization of media away from entrenched strongholds of power is actually a positive step overall; the problem is these simpletons think that they are entitled to the same credibility, access, and reputation that the mainstream media once enjoyed as a check on institutional power, but without having to go through any of the annoying busywork of learning things like ethics and responsibility.
The mainstream media had to put in the work to get to where it did and it took close to a century to develop those standards. Today's journalism students get it hammered into their heads over and over how fact checking and sourcing works, how to follow up leads, how to smell when a source might be feeding you fake info -- in other words how to do their fucking job. But a YouTube vlogger writes an email, gets a screenshot back, edits it into an first-person rant making himself the most important piece of the story, and deigns to call that "journalism", and I'm supposed to do anything but laugh?
Please. This isn't "old media" vs. "new media." This isn't "titans of dying industry" vs. "fresh new bold faces of an evolving medium." This is "are you diligent and responsible enough to know when you're being fed bullshit by someone who makes YouTube videos with the n-word in the title and do you how to spend 30 seconds to properly research YouTube's own statements about how view counts work to understand if the data in front of you even makes sense" vs. "are you such a self-absorbed patsy that you'll take a single screenshot from such a person at face value and make it the basis of a rant that feeds into your own nonsense persecution complex without bothering to do any critical thinking about it because the only thing you actually care about isn't issues of civil injustice, social inequities or the things that real journalists care about, but simply protecting your own livelihood of making webcam videos and calling it important?"
What we're seeing now unfortunately with the YouTube generation is the rise of a group of people who are sheltered, naive, and awfully self-absorbed, and think that just because they have a webcam and a YouTube account and an unshakable sense of self-certainty bordering on narcissism, that they've been imbued with the same ability to reveal malfeasance and expose unethical actions by institutions that the mainstream media enjoys. Which is fine to an extent, the democratization of media away from entrenched strongholds of power is actually a positive step overall; the problem is these simpletons think that they are entitled to the same credibility, access, and reputation that the mainstream media once enjoyed as a check on institutional power, but without having to go through any of the annoying busywork of learning things like ethics and responsibility.
The mainstream media had to put in the work to get to where it did and it took close to a century to develop those standards. Today's journalism students get it hammered into their heads over and over how fact checking and sourcing works, how to follow up leads, how to smell when a source might be feeding you fake info -- in other words how to do their fucking job. But a YouTube vlogger writes an email, gets a screenshot back, edits it into an first-person rant making himself the most important piece of the story, and deigns to call that "journalism", and I'm supposed to do anything but laugh?
Please. This isn't "old media" vs. "new media." This isn't "titans of dying industry" vs. "fresh new bold faces of an evolving medium." This is "are you diligent and responsible enough to know when you're being fed bullshit by someone who makes YouTube videos with the n-word in the title and do you how to spend 30 seconds to properly research YouTube's own statements about how view counts work to understand if the data in front of you even makes sense" vs. "are you such a self-absorbed patsy that you'll take a single screenshot from such a person at face value and make it the basis of a rant that feeds into your own nonsense persecution complex without bothering to do any critical thinking about it because the only thing you actually care about isn't issues of civil injustice, social inequities or the things that real journalists care about, but simply protecting your own livelihood of making webcam videos and calling it important?"
I'm sticking up free for speech. Condemn anyone you want but wanting people banned for their views isn't something I condone. Refute them, don't ask for their heads on platters.
Adam_Roman
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I tried watching his first video about it and I just can't. I liked his videos before but when the Hugh Mungus and Ken Bone shit started happening I unsubscribed, and I'm glad I did. He gets in a huge stink about how a reporter has a tweet talking about an article he wrote. Like how fucking nitpicky do you have to be to try and turn that into a joke?
I've been supportive of his involvement in trying to fix fair use claims on YouTube, but I have no sympathy for someone with a rabid fanbase like Ethan who commits slander, no matter how shady the business may be. At that point you're fucking with people's jobs just because you wanted to be the guy to take down the big bad website bullying your ignorant friend.
I've been supportive of his involvement in trying to fix fair use claims on YouTube, but I have no sympathy for someone with a rabid fanbase like Ethan who commits slander, no matter how shady the business may be. At that point you're fucking with people's jobs just because you wanted to be the guy to take down the big bad website bullying your ignorant friend.
Pop-O-Matic
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Being a racist is less shameful than being a journalist nowadays.
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
That's what I'm getting at....
You might want to look up what free speech actually is. Jon being banned from Twitter would not violate his right to free speech.
If he uses his Twitter account to spread hate speech - that is, if he's using it to cause harm to vulnerable groups - then yeah. Totally for that.
Reasonable limits can be imposed on free speech without undermining the purpose of having that right. That's the same reason distribution of child porn isn't usually protected under a free speech defense.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Hope to see you also sticking up for free speech by people on the receiving end of these ideas in the future then
A Link to the Past
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"This is who we're dealing with, folks"
*pulls down screen*
His butt ain't too bad
I'm a minority so I guess I already am!
Big-ass Ramp
hella bullets that's true
What was the Hugh Mongus thing? Is that the one where he stuck up for that guy accosting that poor lady who was asking him questions?
t h i c c 😜👅👅
The government doesn't run twitter, so even if he was banned, it would not infringe on his free speech. Just like if I start yelling racial slurs in a restaurant and they kick me out.
spiderman123
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Still support H3H3 but Ethan you know this one is real. Man bradberried himself. Stop pretending to be a journalist.
You're sticking up for racist speech. No one's asking for anyone's head on a platter. They're asking that an explicitly, publicly avowed racist not be given a megaphone by a corporation that routinely chooses who it will and won't allow on its service.
You're defending the racist's "right" to continue using their service, even though he's in violation of their ToS.
Frozenprince
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Y'all really don't understand what free speech is huh
Yeah saying free speech was dumb of me. I still think it's better to engage and refute those ideas than calling for them to be banned.
Isn't that the other way around? Didn't she go up to him and start yelling at him?
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