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‘The Walking Dead’ – Season 4, Part 2 – Sundays on AMC

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MikeBreezy92

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*Sees Carl realistically written....sees people bitching*

Uhh why? Annoying yes? But that was the point no? Dude is upset at his Dad for failing the group by being passive(something Carol brought up), Judith is dead(to him), He's a teenager so of course he's gonna act that way.

Shit reminds me of when Korra was written intentionally emotional and abrasive...like a teenager and people bitched....I mean if you're gonna bitch bitch about stuff that's worth bitching about...bitch...
 
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Lothar

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Fatalah said:
I don't understand the haters, this season had been great.
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The season WAS great but we waited months for an episode and got an hour of "I hate you Dad, I wish you were dead" whiny Carl angst, which is almost a regression of his character. I thought we were all past that and now Carl was going to be cool.

He was so annoying in this episode it almost retroactively ruins his earlier Season 4 storyline where it looked like he had grown up as a character.

MikeBreezy92 said:
*Sees Carl realistically written....sees people bitching*

Uhh why? Annoying yes? But that was the point no?
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That was the point? To get us to root for the zombies over him?

Dude is upset at his Dad for failing the group by being passive(something Carol brought up), Judith is dead(to him), He's a teenager so of course he's gonna act that way.
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What did his dad do in the last episode to triggered this? It's just as much Carl's fault and everyone else's for Judith as it is his dad. Carl suddenly being an asshole was extremely random to me.
 
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demolitio

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I kind of expected this episode to be a low-key throwaway episode following the aftermath of the last episode. It was actually pretty boring but I knew it was coming even though they could've done a much better job. Slow doesn't need to mean boring and cliche.

I just hope the pace picks up considerably in the next episode although I fear it will be pretty much the same thing just with the other group instead.
 
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MikeBreezy92

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Lothar said:
That was the point? To get us to root for the zombies over him?
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He's a fucking Teenager in the Zombie Apocolypse who had to shoot his own mother. Thinks he lost his baby sister. And pretty much lost his old family.....you think he's not gonna act all angsty and broody? It would stupid for him for not react. Hell he didn't when he shot his mother and it came out at this point.

What did his dad do in the last episode to triggered this? It's just as much Carl's fault and everyone else's for Judith as it is his dad. Carl suddenly being an asshole was extremely random to me.
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Carl felt like his Dad should've been the leader or still doing the leadership thing. He didn't like his Dad becoming a farmer and passive. He thought his Dad should've killed Governor a lot sooner. He's a teenager so there are some subtleties that he hasn't picked up on yet so his Dad's passiveness didn't make complete sense to him.
 
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j-wood

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You guys are insane. That was a damn good episode.

At Carl's age that's exactly how he should act. He was an idiot luring the walkers from the house and got very lucky killing all 3.

But he's a kid, so he doesn't see it as luck and he thinks he's a badass AMD gets cocky. Then he almost gets bit again AMD realizes shit, maybe I'm not a badass
 
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dem

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I gotta say.. I feel like I'm almost done with this show.
So slow.. so boring.. such bad characters.... feels like the story never gets anywhere.


Definitely the worst show I'm "subscribed" to... but I like the idea so much.. sigh.
 
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AngmarsKing701

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j-wood said:
You guys are insane. That was a damn good episode.

At Carl's age that's exactly how he should act. He was an idiot luring the walkers from the house and got very lucky killing all 3.

But he's a kid, so he doesn't see it as luck and he thinks he's a badass AMD gets cocky. Then he almost gets bit again AMD realizes shit, maybe I'm not a badass
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But then he calmly eats all that pudding. Then he goes home and tells half zombie Rick that he's scurred.

Carl's part was bitchy and the part where he yelled at an unconscious Rick was unevenly acted at best. It felt leeched of emotion.

Michonne pieces were good. Dat sword. The dream sequence was odd but a good way to get background info on a character who is generally so quiet.
 
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Frolow

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MikeBreezy92 said:
*Sees Carl realistically written....sees people bitching*

Uhh why? Annoying yes? But that was the point no? Dude is upset at his Dad for failing the group by being passive(something Carol brought up), Judith is dead(to him), He's a teenager so of course he's gonna act that way.

Shit reminds me of when Korra was written intentionally emotional and abrasive...like a teenager and people bitched....I mean if you're gonna bitch bitch about stuff that's worth bitching about...bitch...
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The writing is fine, but that doesn't stop me from wanting to punch him.
 
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SamuraiX-

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Content Roundup – Episode 409: “After”

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AMC Inside The Walking Dead:
  • The Making of Episode 409, “After” - AMC
  • Inside Episode 409: “After” - AMC
  • Preview of Episode 410, “Inmates” - International
  • Sneak Peek 1 of Episode 410, “Inmates” - AMC | International
  • Sneak Peek 2 of Episode 410, “Inmates” - International
Producer & Cast Interviews:
Critic Reviews:
Talking Dead’s Inside The Dead:
  • Andrew Lincoln says this episode is very much about a boy growing up. And that working with Chandler was like watching “an actor become a leading man.”
  • Director Greg Nicotero was inspired to shoot [scenes with Carl] like a Western. It’s a one road town and “Carl is the new sheriff.”
  • While shooting, Chandler Riggs had to constantly eat from the 112-ounce can of pudding. Although it was one of his favorite scenes, he admitted that by the end he “absolutely hated pudding.”

PLEASE SPOILER TAG ALL PREVIEW/PROMO AND GRAPHIC NOVEL DISCUSSION. REVIEW THE OP FOR COMPLETE THREAD RULES ON SPOILERS.
 
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RellyRell28

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Lothar said:
The season WAS great but we waited months for an episode and got an hour of "I hate you Dad, I wish you were dead" whiny Carl angst, which is almost a regression of his character. I thought we were all past that and now Carl was going to be cool.

He was so annoying in this episode it almost retroactively ruins his earlier Season 4 storyline where it looked like he had grown up as a character.



That was the point? To get us to root for the zombies over him?



What did his dad do in the last episode to triggered this? It's just as much Carl's fault and everyone else's for Judith as it is his dad. Carl suddenly being an asshole was extremely random to me.
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I just don't understand why people think this way when characters act realistic. Carl is literally the Laurel of TWD-GAF or however you pronounce your GAF name
 
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a secret-boss

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not a bad beginning. I just gave up over thinking why Michone not being attack by zombies when she is just walking minus the slave zombies.

i guess as long as u walk slow (lol)
 
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dorkimoe

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Ugh god. If they kill rick and I have to deal with Carl being a main character little whiny ungrateful bitch I'm going to have to spend a lot of time fast forwarding. Rick has done nothing but try and keep you alive.
 
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ScribbleD

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Nothing: The episode. The only 2 things that happened were circled back on and thrown out immediately.

Also, has anyone else picked up on the pattern of "Oh, nothing has happened for the first 40 minutes. Cut to a shot of Michonne killing tons of zombies."

At least this episode provided some funny moments. Like Carl running into the door, or that shot of Carl eating 7 pounds of pudding out of a can while an arm reaches out for him in the background.
 
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demolitio

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a secret-boss said:
not a bad beginning. I just gave up over thinking why Michone not being attack by zombies when she is just walking minus the slave zombies.

i guess as long as u walk slow (lol)
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I was wondering the same thing. If people just knew what Michonne knew, this zombie apocalypse would be the tamest apocalyptic event ever. Mundane tasks would take forever, but life would go on uninterrupted.
 
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Jason's Ultimatum

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Some of you guys have a myopic view when it comes to carls behavior. He's a teenager. All of his actions and words in the episode reflects how a typical teenager behaves--he's rebellious against his parental figure; Carl believes he's right and Rick is wrong; Rick only doing what's right for Carl.

Then Carl blames him for everything, and goes out into the world, basically running away. Carl, like any other angst teen, comes running home, and apologizes to his father.
 
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NolbertoS

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I liked this episode. Slowed it down back to earth and make Carl act like a teen again. Too many Carl haters. When a bloodbath just occured last episode, you don't think a teen is finally going to break down and cry and really start missing his dad. All teens talk badass, but after falling down on there asses alot, which is why its a trial by error for most teens until they realize that maybe, they're not as good as they thought. Like others alos said, wish they talked more about Michone's past. It made Michone more human in my eyes, with realizinf that through that tough badass exterior, she longs for a family and closeship. I liked Rick's final words to Karl, when he realizes that his son, is no longer theough his eyes a "child" but a young man that risked his life also to get food and stay around for his dad. Growing up isn't just about being a badass and learning to take on adult roles. Its how you react to the situation and learn from it, like Carl realized he can't do things on his iwn yet without his dad and has much to learn.
 
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UnObtainium17

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I just hope I can get to see an episode where a character doesn't have to do incredibly stupid shit just to add tense to the show.

Why is the baby having lighter skin than both michonne and mike? Is that like a way of saying one of them is not the biological parent of the kid?

Michonnes back story got more interesting. If my memory is right I think she told Andrea her 2 zombie pets did something wrong to her back when they were still humans so she chained them and turned them into her pets. Wonder what that wrong thing is.

That was a decent episode. Michones part was great. And yeah I think Carl will get his shoe back lol.
 
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PopeReal

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I think some people just want action and more action. Whenever the show slows down to focus on the charcters some people complain.

I thought it was a pretty entertaining episode. I love getting a littile back story for a character. It was also nice seeing the aftermath in different neighborhoods after being stuck in the prison so long.
 
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luxarific

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UnObtainium17 said:
Why is the baby having lighter skin than both michonne and mike? Is that like a way of saying one of them is not the biological parent of the kid?
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This is normal for many black/bi-racial infants. Their skin will darken as they age until it reaches their adult skin tone.

Good episode, mostly for Michonne's backstory. Nice shot of the burned out city there in that final flashback scene. So glad that Chandler Riggs has stopped trying to do a Southern accent.
 
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Air Zombie Meat

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Thought it was decent. Was happy to see missed shots and zombies surviving minor head wounds for a change. Always find Michonne's chained up walkers thing dumb as hell though. Weird that creatures that will impale themselves trying to get at someone become completely passive when you remove their teeth.
 
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someday

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Well, I thought this was a great episode. Carl's scenes made sense and I thought his acting was actually believable.

I loved getting more background about Michonne. I was a little confused about what happened to her son though. When she's in the diner, she is talking to her lover and says she doesn't blame him for what he did to him, or something like that. Are they implying that when he turned he ate the kid? Or was it something completely different?
 
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border

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I liked the episode.

I always like this show a lot more when they slow things down to just focus on a few characters.

But I think this episode makes it clear that the virus/influenza plotline was just really lame filler material.
 
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SamuraiX-

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someday said:
I loved getting more background about Michonne. I was a little confused about what happened to her son though. When she's in the diner, she is talking to her lover and says she doesn't blame him for what he did to him, or something like that. Are they implying that when he turned he ate the kid? Or was it something completely different?
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I'm hoping they go clarify eventually, but I think it had something to do with Mike wanting to stay at whatever camp they were held up at that was mentioned in the dream sequence while Michonne was wise enough to know they had to leave... probably cost Mike and Terry their lives and same with Michonne's son.
 
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ThLunarian

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That was a great episode. It got me in the feels when Carl was so resentful of (and at the same time, secretly sad about) his temporarily-helpless father.

Acted very well by Carl. Wouldn't be surprised if he had some personal experience with a similar situation, because the performance really rang true to me.
 
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Great episode. I love the quiet, word-less scenes, and some of the shots are just so well composed and framed. Gives some of the better AMC shows a run for their money in this regard.

Now I want some pudding. Tapioca or butterscotch or choco-vanilla swirl.
 
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RatskyWatsky

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I thought it was a pretty good episode. It felt refreshing to have such a quiet and contemplative hour following the craziness of the midseason finale.

It's always nice to get some more development for Michonne and that flashback/dream sequence really caught me off guard (in a good way). Danai Gurira looks really good in orange and I can totally picture that cat statue in Michonne's apartment. :D

Beelzeboss said:
Was Michonne's dream something from the comic?

I need to know!
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Nope.

Shipwrecked said:
Its such a shame to witness marketing greed destroy an awesome premise and a great first season.
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lol, what are you even talking about?

MikeBreezy92 said:
*Sees Carl realistically written....sees people bitching
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I knew that most of the people in this thread would hate the episode regardless because of the heavy focus on Carl.

someday said:
I loved getting more background about Michonne. I was a little confused about what happened to her son though. When she's in the diner, she is talking to her lover and says she doesn't blame him for what he did to him, or something like that. Are they implying that when he turned he ate the kid? Or was it something completely different?
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All we know is that her lover, Mike, made a choice that resulted in the deaths of himself, their son, and her brother (or whoever the other guy was).
 
Phoenix

Phoenix

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Not a bad episode. Well acted for the character types, but I am REALLY beginning to dislike Carl more than I ever had before.
 
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SamuraiX-

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I love these:



EPISODE 409: PANEL TO SCREEN COMPARISON [MAJOR Comic Spoilers]

Skybound said:
It’s always fun to see how The Walking Dead comic compares to the show based on it. Sometimes the show explores entirely new characters and locations and sometimes the show is very true to the comic book. Tonight’s episode (#409—”After”) (Comic Spoilers)
is of the latter variety. Almost all of tonight’s episode is taken directly from Volume 9: Here We Remain (specifically issues 49 and 50), with Michonne’s flashback from the Michonne Special, a 6-page back story that first appeared in Playboy in March 2012.
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BBboy20

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All I could think of during Carl bitching at unconscious Rick was rather Rick was dead or not the moment Carl didn't check his breathing or pulse. Like I was anticipating him waking up with rotting eyes.
 
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Dot50Cal

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This episode marks the end of me watching the show. It'll just be nothing but one or two good episodes a season interspersed with scenes of "tension" where a main protaganist "almost" dies to a zombie. Theres no tension if a main character is fighting some crappy zombie and they drag it out for ages. We know neither of the main characters in this episode will die, what is the point?

I liked the premise of the show, but time and time again it proves to me that its just not entertaining enough to watch. If this is the effort they are putting into a mid-season opener, I'm not impressed.
 
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-MD-

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I really enjoyed it.

Edit: I didn't like that flashback sequence though, the whole thing was just weird.
 
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