CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
The closer they are to bankruptcy, the less likely it is to happen due to the fact that a VIII remake could easily cost as much as 100 to 150 million and easily take 5 or more years. I don't know why people keep saying this.
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Kitase on FFVII Remake:"You must believe me when I say it would take a lot to happen"
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The closer they are to bankruptcy, the less likely it is to happen due to the fact that a VIII remake could easily cost as much as 100 to 150 million and easily take 5 or more years. I don't know why people keep saying this.
CNCOMICS
Member
Guys, stop getting trolled by Square Enix. They know that FF VII is one of the most popular and talked about FF's, which is why they gave us the Compilation of Final Fantasy VII. If that, and the PS3 tech demo wasn't enough to stoke their flames into remaking FF VII, it's not going to happen despite the 20th Anniversary coming in 2017.
They're going to dangle that carrot and tease everyone up to 2017 to build up interest, only to release a multi-disc Blu-Ray of all the movies and games
) only on PS3, and a limited-edition statue that will only be available in Japan, and be retail-only at the SE store.
They're going to dangle that carrot and tease everyone up to 2017 to build up interest, only to release a multi-disc Blu-Ray of all the movies and games
(even Dirge of Cerebus
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
You seriously want trash like this to be in the game?
This is absolutely my greatest fear. Keep that shit out of my FFVII!
It's not one of the most popular and talked about Final Fantasy games, it's the biggest and most popular game they've ever made, period. It's easily their best selling game of all time, and certainly their most discussed.
Almost 10 million on Playstation 1, it's consistently been the best selling classic game on PSN, weeks as a best seller on Steam...
At this point, I don't think they could make game more likely to do well than a VII remake, so I really don't understand their mentality here.
Sublyminal
Neo Member
More than a million people bought FF7. 9.72 million to be exact, I do believe out of 9.72 million people, that at least 1 million would buy a remake.
He's basically back for some danger that threatens the life of the planet so basically FF7-2.
Takeda Kenshi
blew Staal
No Gooch No Sale.
That's actually not as reassuring as you might think.
Rogue Agent
Banned
Yeah. But I'll go against the grain here and say that the more I hear these kind of things from Square, especially if Verendus is correct and it's already being worked on in secret, the more excited I am by the prospect of a remake. It means that if they do make it they understand concerns and aren't willing to compromise and take those shortcuts everyone expects they will when it comes to the scope of the game and angering the purists.
Not to push any FFX fans buttons because it had redeeming qualities, but I still remember how disappointed my naive younger self was going into that game expecting the scale to open up like previous Final Fantasies but with modern graphics and finding it was pretty linear throughout and then seeing that trend continue with future titles. I mean it's more reasonable for them to work on newer games, it always is, especially when this could taint the original... but i've been so disappointed by recent titles in that regard that I wouldn't mind seeing them remake the same game again just to satisfy my curiousity and see if it's possible to have this kind of world reenvisioned in HD, because at least then they'd be forced to take on that challenge which they've been avoiding since the PS2.
In my head I've always wanted an FF with the largeness and grandness of the SNES/PSX games but without the datedness and if they're so incompetant that the only way to realize that is to have them spend their resources on remaking the same game I played on PS1, then i'd take that over another FFXIII. Even if they're bound to fail, I don't feel guilty at this point for wanting to see them try.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Most companies like at least a double to triple Return on Investment for a venture as big as an FF VII remake would be. Assuming Digital is bigger by the time the remake would come out, that would cover about 45 million of an easily 100 to 150 million dollar project. They'd probably at least want 6 million copies sold minimum. And that doesn't even cover the fact that they wouldn't see that return for 4 or more years while they make it. There's a reason why even "sure things" in the gaming industry are still a risk. I'm not saying it isn't gonna happen, but it isn't as clear cut as you'd think.
By that time it'll be far too late. In fact it probably already is. Squeenix just isn't prepared, in terms of staff, to make the remake work. You'd have to gather all the old heads to make it happen, a veritable high school reunion. And they all have jobs in different companies now. If I'm not mistaken, the only people still on board are Nomura (who was seemingly a totally different artist back then -- he did the character portrait art, wtf? how did he lose that style?!) and Amano. And uh, Toriyama, but we know his reputation.
SkylineRKR
Member
In those 8 years S-E is saying this, they could've finished the remake. Well almost perhaps.
1 million sales would be a disaster for a project like that.
One million was barely enough to justify a Mirror's Edge sequel, for pete's sake.
ss_lemonade
Member
But that's a gamecube game.
If they were to even remake this game though, I would be very afraid of the output after seeing the remakes for Final Fantasy V and VI
FFVII remake aside, I really do wish SE would make a pre-rendered background mainline FF.
Visual works can probably make stunning backgrounds.
There is just so much charm to pre-rendered backgrounds.It made so many things possible on the PSOne.Amazing technique.
I believe him and I think he should continue moving forward. He just needs to stop explaining himself to the community when asked about it. A simple no will do at this point for a game that's nearly 20 years old.
That said, I would like to see them return to the FFVII-IX style if it meant richer worlds and story more often.
That said, I would like to see them return to the FFVII-IX style if it meant richer worlds and story more often.
Towns are hard to make, apparently.
Its a much larger game with a huge world. People want full 3D backgrounds and the world to be fully realized in HD. That's just not technically possible within a budget they'd be ok with using.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Because they'd have to put in things FFXIII lacked like story, towns, lovable characters, left and right axis of travel, an overworld and fun. This stuff takes time.
badcrumble
Member
I fully believe that it'd be a big deal to do this. I also would rather see them make a new FF than do a remake or a sequel, personally.
FFXII lacked towns ?
It easily has the best realized world in the entire series.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Use the contextual clues, brother.
If they went this route, the issue will come up again in another 16+ years. 1080p remade 2D backgrounds wouldn't hold up to future 4k, 8k, 16k etc remasters. 3D backgrounds will better future proof the game for UHD+ versions.
Fix your post if you meant FFXIII but hey it isn't too far fatched to hear that FFXII lacked a good world on FF gaf.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
It was already fixed and the post was in response to FFXIII.
I think it would be awesome and funny like it was originally intended only magnified 1000x.
Never mind then.Misunderstanding resolved.
I just don't get it. Why is this such a big deal for square? All people are asking is for updated graphics. Or, when they say remake, do they actually mean they are going to remake maps and enemy encounters and the rest? Because I just see this project as akin to something like Halo: Anniversary. I don't see the actual gameplay or maps changing significantly, so it's just a graphics facelift. Why does that make this something that requires a huge staff?
Zoe
Member
That world is also considerably smaller and lacked any kind of overworld transport.
roflwaffles
Member
Genesis really just felt shoehorned in for lulz. His constant recital of LOVELESS got so annoying throughout Crisis Core.
Sublyminal
Neo Member
I was replying to him thinking that I was saying everyone wanted a remake. I'd say easily a million plus want a remake, but that doesn't factor in the newer generations etc.
Sublyminal
Neo Member
I agree, but again, I was replying that at least 1 million plus want a remake, so that right there is easily a million sales in and of itself. I would hope to God, that it didn't just sell a million units.
badcrumble
Member
I do think it's pretty inevitable that a remake would have to include a lot of the stuff introduced into the mythos by Crisis Core (and maybe some of the stuff from Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus), because Nojima seemed hell-bent on setting things up for some new FF7-2 story. But the Complication of FF7 (i'm calling it that deliberately because i'm hilarious) is basically dead in the water at this point, it's pretty clear.
If they *did* remake FFVII, they'd likely make FFVII-2 afterward, and given the way they're handling development and resources these days, we'd have to settle for that instead of getting a generation of *new* FFs.
I wonder if people are aware of the fact that the game would play really differently and likely have a really different tone from the original.
If they *did* remake FFVII, they'd likely make FFVII-2 afterward, and given the way they're handling development and resources these days, we'd have to settle for that instead of getting a generation of *new* FFs.
I wonder if people are aware of the fact that the game would play really differently and likely have a really different tone from the original.
Sublyminal
Neo Member
I'm just hoping that 15 doesn't fall flat. I'm getting sick of supporting square and them putting out mediocre shit.
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Deleted member 20920
Unconfirmed Member
The game is much larger in scope, in terms of the amount of story scenes and the number of locations. If you were to compare the PS1 FFs to games like FFXII and FFXIII (and its sequels), the story scale is much smaller. FFXII still managed to have many locations (probably the most in an FF?) but its story suffered. They wrote scenes for Penelo and Vaan that couldn't be done in time for release. FFXIII and its sequels had scenes that were the equivalent of one PS1 FF game. Its sequels were a joke in terms of the number of story scenes. XIII-2 and LR felt like they each had a third of the plot of a PS1 FF.
There's probably nothing left from the PS1 version that can be used reasonable to produce anything this is worthy enough to warrant a remake. Why do you think updated graphics means the job is easy? FFX/X-2 remasters took them more than 2 years. They can't use any assets from the original game. This graphical facelift that you speak of is probably the hardest part of game development right now. If I'm not mistaken, they probably lost their source code for the game, along with high res prerendered background art.
If S-E gave up on their CGI fetish, you could shave a fair deal off of FFXIII's budget. There's no reason why the cutscenes couldn't just be game-engine rendered.
Sublyminal
Neo Member
Good point, which as you said would shave about 20 mil or more off of the cost. I have a feeling that FF7 is S-E's trump card.
And like players, they're saving up that special item for use in the final boss fight.
Unfortunately, by the time they reach the final boss, they won't be using it anyway, and then it's game over.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
That's more down to ineffective story telling. XIII-2 had over 7 hours of cutscenes alone and LR had over 6. That doesn't count the in game dialogue or anything else. It's the amount of filler and the fact that the scenes are often filler (XIII-2) or just plain redundant (LR) that they feel unfulfilling.
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Deleted member 20920
Unconfirmed Member
CGI hasn't been the focus for SE for a long time. XIII-2 and LR both contained only a handful of CGI and half were reused from FFXIII. You could also blame their lack of capability to make real time cut scenes that fit their standards. To be honest, in terms of resources, I don't think CGI is that huge a problem. They have Visual Arts for that after all, a separate department from whoever develops their games.
I supposed that's true as well. I also wonder whether they did that to pad out the game, the bad writing. It felt like they gave up on half the plot once they reached Gran Pulse in XIII. That was where the padding and repetitive scenes really started.