Bull. The British and French combined would be quite a match for the decrepit Russian Armed Forces, a military that is a far cry from its Soviet, Cold War heyday. And throw in the combined might of European NATO alone (minus the US and Canada) you've got a formidable power that is equalled only by the US Armed Forces.
And so WW3 commences...
Unconfirmed reports that some of the top officials and their families have been leaving Kiev.
Journalist Hanna Babynets from independent Hromadske TV reported this from Kiev's Zhulyany Airport: "Three planes have taken off in the past five minutes.
It's very likely that they are carrying cash: suitcases have been unloaded under guard from armoured vans usually used to transport cash... scheduled flights have been suspended, the airport administration says.
Bull. The British and French combined would be quite a match for the decrepit Russian Armed Forces, a military that is a far cry from its Soviet, Cold War heyday. And throw in the combined might of European NATO alone (minus the US and Canada) you've got a formidable power that is equalled only by the US Armed Forces.
True, but that's an exception. Historically revolutions/reforms are more likely to succeed if no violence is involved on the part of the protesters. This is categorically shown to be true.
Must have gotten wind of the sanctions coming into play. Via BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26280710
This is why I think it's the enlisted man on the street who will determine who wins, if they start refusing to take orders from the higher-ups, it's on.
CHEEZMO;101609528 said:
Yikes
CHEEZMO;101609528 said:
Yikes
And so WW3 commences...
No one is suggesting a conflict with the Russian Federation anytime soon. Just pointing out we're more than capable of defending ourselves from Russian aggression without the need for US assistance, as it should be.
CHEEZMO;101616167 said:A short drone flight over the Maidan from what looks like yesterday morning.
http://www.bild.de/video/clip/ukraine/drohne-ueber-maidan-34751126,auto=true.bild.html
You can see how far the barricades were pushed back the night before. Only a few dozen feet from the main stage.
On a Ukrainian social networking site she wrote: "I'm dying". There's been no more information, but a bullet wound to the neck doesn't sound like it'll lead to the most promising of futures. Poor woman.
https://vk.com/id92352737
bild.de... couldn't you find another source? Maybe people will think that it's a decent newspage.
It's not.
No one here is considering that in case of escalation, both EU and Russia might agree on a military intervention side by side, it's actually logic considering that the Gas pipelines from Russia to Europe run through Ukraine, neither side want to loose money nor Gas, so both sides might agree on a peacekeeping mission, am I wrong considering this scenario?
At present five Natural Gas pipes flow through Ukraine to get to Slovakia, Romania, Hungary and Poland. Although I doubt these counties would be happy over losing their gas supply line, they aren't exactly the 'big boys' of the EU and I don't think will have too much pulling power over Britain, France or Germany.
Plus I know it's still fairly cold outside, but it will be spring soon, people won't need the gas on too much from next month.
I had the idea that Germany receive their gas from Russia through Ukraine pipelines, if not this scenario I proposed is improbable...
Is not only the heating to consider, how about cooking and bath?
If the protesters are terrorists then what would you call these people?
Meanwhile in Greece with 30% unemployment and devastating poverty: No fucks given
Barbara Starr ‏@barbarastarrcnn 15m
Chuck Hagel can't get #Ukraine MOD to take his calls, been trying for days @PentagonPresSec
Barbara Starr ‏@barbarastarrcnn 12m
"Certainly not helping" US #Ukraine military relations that Ukraine won't take Chuck Hagels call @PentagonPresSec
So what conflicts does this research account for? When they say violent, do they mean sticks and stones, or do they mean a fully armed public (that's a rhetoric question, because we already know this isn't the case).
I'd rather see Copenhagen go down in flames, than seeing the people be squished like bugs. Cities and other material goods doesn't shape a nation. The people within it does.
You feel like it's cheesy, alright, people are free to have an opinion.
Just keep in mind that said freedom of speech wasn't given through non violent means.
It's also a little curious how you take your freedoms here for granted, when people in Syria and other surrounding nations literrally has to die, to even have that option considered.
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But a vote of non-confidence is too much?
Europe's militaries don't have the logistics to support any sort of large scale or extended war. They've come to depend on the US too much.Bull. The British and French combined would be quite a match for the decrepit Russian Armed Forces, a military that is a far cry from its Soviet, Cold War heyday. And throw in the combined might of European NATO alone (minus the US and Canada) you've got a formidable power that is equalled only by the US Armed Forces.
@myroslavapetsa
\239 MPs registered in Rada at emergency session, quorum secured. Vice-speaker Koshulynsky presides, not speaker #Rybak who reportedly fled
They were protesting peacefully you know, right until the government decided it'd had enough of the protests and decided to remove them by force.Really disappointed by the protesters and the west here. If these were pro-Russian protesters fighting for closer ties with Russia, you can bet that the west would suddenly be supporting the government instead of the protesters. It's really sick how things have to escalate to violence and they can't protest/strike peacefully. As far as I am aware, the current Ukrainian government was elected democratically and was recognised as such by the rest of the world. Therefore they should have the mandate to run the country. If people don't like it, they can protest peacefully, and if enough people feel the same then come next elections a pro-EU government would be elected. Are these protesters going to be happy with the state of Ukraine after this is all over?
CHEEZMO™;101635454 said:I was watching them do this in the Rada. Apparently it technically needs Yanukovich's signature for it to mean anything, but it's still a big deal. They will be back tomorrow (presumably to debate returning to the older constitution).
This is interesting. I didn't know the Far Right / Neo-Nazis and their aligned paramilitary organizations represented such a large part of the protest movement in Kiev.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eTuFAR169s
Edit: Posted already
Edit2: And I deleted my previous post...whatever. Armed protesters wouldn't do anybody good. That's all I said
But a vote of non-confidence is too much?
It's a great step in the right direction. And if they can repair the constitution that'd be a great thing too. But ultimately Yanukovich simply has to step down. The West should be calling for his resignation as he has obviously lost his legitimacy and mandate. It would also be nice if Putin would call for Yanukovich's resignation, as I'm sure he'd prefer to defuse the situation too. Once Ukraine has a new President with a legitimate mandate they should be able to start making progress towards a better future.
They were protesting peacefully you know, right until the government decided it'd had enough of the protests and decided to remove them by force.
Its semi-presidential and they need 2/3 (300 votes) for impeachment (and its only for treason)
Reason no. 35,619,472 why presidential systems suck and should not be used in nascent democracies.
you haven't looked at this history of this, have you?Protesters were pushing vehicles around, clashing with police, throwing bricks at police, and police were responding with stun grenades and such. It's not like there were just peaceful protesters standing around holding signs, and police started sniping them. And like I said, if this situation were in the reverse, a government trying to be more pro-EU, and there were pro-Russian protesters, the west would suddenly be on the government's side... Really disappointing. Nobody wins from all this.