if you mean the frame around the door it looks like regular geometry + normal mapping. the wall seems to have some secret sauce going on though.
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Dark Souls 2 Lighting changes/Downgrade
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if you mean the frame around the door it looks like regular geometry + normal mapping. the wall seems to have some secret sauce going on though.
DEMO
RETAIL
I like the retail personally. Demo is too dark, Lol.
Legend of Grimrock had walls like that doorframe and they used geo+normals, but I really haven't seen any recent AAA games do such detail with typical geometry.
Edit: But you could be still right.
Now I don't feel too bad about not finding a copy on amazon. I'll wait when it's cheaper.
From the looks of it a lot of this isn't even just about the darkness; which I wasn't a big fan of either.
swazzyswess
Member
Do you think it works that way? "Hey, we heard some complaints. Let's go ahead and lock the game at 30 FPS. Why didn't we think of that earlier?!"
SilentRacoon
Member
Yes, because if there is one thing the Souls series is known for, is for its accurate portrayal of historical events.
This is even worse than the whole Watch_Dogradeton thing, because I actually was excited for this, FROM shame.
Metalingus5150
Member
there's nothing special about them, I actually think they still look kinda low-rez and primitive.
Oh shit lol.
Can someone explain to me why they couldn't make the hallway pitch black? I mean Tomb of the Giants was pitch black, so what's the deal?
Kamina
Golden Boy
Omg this is pure gold, lol!
butman
Member
It's not funny you know?
It's technically possible that the lightings come with a patch?
UnrealEck
Member
I believe POM is a sort of enhancement of normal mapping. So kinda the same thing, just that POM will look a bit better and more defined.
Probably they changed their mind about having many pitch black areas. I don't know if they completely removed it from the game, maybe the just left one or a few areas like that - like Tomb of the Giants is DaS. People have been talking about complains after the beta.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Which is why there is/was a whole risk versus reward system with having one hand used up carrying a lit torch to explore pitch black areas until you found sconces and lit them.
Now an entire strategic element to progression has been rendered pointless and infact inverse (you can see more in the dark than with a lit torch). Its a clusterfuck.
And what, it's some black magic causing the game to dip below 30 and the devs are totally helpless?
I won't be bothered too much because I'll be playing this on PC, but they clearly should have made changes to the game to get a better framerate on console.
You can be right, but I think there's still possibility of tessellation being used there since that's relatively dense mesh.
there's nothing special about them, I actually think they still look kinda low-rez and primitive.
Let's leave this open until we actually can play DS2. And please no one quote us on this.
Dark Souls was so much more visually appealing and polished looking though. Half of the areas here are nearly all grey, it's truly awful looking at times.
Orthogonal
Member
PS3 version, January 2014:
PS3 version, retail build:
What is really peculiar about all this is that in the retail version, when the Torch is activated, the lighting looks more like it should from the demo (but still a little washed out), but when the torch is off, it's apparent how bad things are. The torch isn't even required to advance in this section any more.
jim2point0
Banned
They could have upped the ambient lighting without completely dropping the lighting altogether.
Dwight Schrute
Member
edit: nevermind
Dark Souls is very atmospheric and has a destroyed beauty about it though. Would be a detriment to the whole experience.
EatinOlives
Member
OK, this is starting to get annoying.
Point 1: The torch (demo) vs. no torch (retail) comparison is meant to show that in the final retail version you don't need to have a torch on you at all
Point 2: The no torch vs. no torch comparison is meant to show that in the demo version you were originally meant to use a torch.
Point 3: The video that the demo gif is from has the player immediately go back to get a torch, because the narrator explains that the hallway is too dark without one. They take a moment to explain the new lighting system.
We're starting to see many people come into the topic, jump to the last page, see one comparison, and immediately shoot off some conclusion completely beside the point of what the comparison was supposed to make.
cpp_is_king
Member
The final trailer accurately portrays the games visuals now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A-tl-pJAR4
What a fucking terrible trailer. I had it set on 1080p and it looked compressed beyond belief. And the song was horrible and didn't fit the mood at all. Their marketing department is really a bunch of fucking morons, they can't do a single good trailer or screenshot.
SlasherJPC
Banned
Well from what other folks are saying, some areas look beautiful and still have some great design. I will wait to judge the rest of the game after playing through it. These examples though surely show a different side to things. Still a dissapointment but one I can easily get over.
Self_Destructive
Member
I think if anything it's like another forum poster on here said. I think the PS3/360 versions were toned down for performance reasons, but that all of the things they took out on the gfx side will be implemented in PS4/XO versions of the game. I'm absolutely sure at this point that there will be PS4/XO versions. It doesn't make sense that they'd scrap and drastically change what they showed and reveal it only a week or so before release.
The question is whether the PC version will be based off of the 360/PS3 versions or the 'PS4/XO' versions?
Of course I could be just wishful thinking..
The question is whether the PC version will be based off of the 360/PS3 versions or the 'PS4/XO' versions?
Of course I could be just wishful thinking..
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
This is the exact same with the lightning on Mirror Knight. When the lightning strikes, the world takes on the palette its supposed to, but then goes back to the green crappy version. It points to them having very clumsily switched some element off/deleted it out and not done much to fix the rest of the game.
From are no strangers to the inexplicable method of their code still actually computing all the same shit, but they've arbitrarily locked it off to not show.
Orthogonal
Member
+++ This can't be said enough, this is the point I've been trying to drive home for a while. I think most are understanding, but a few folks remain oblivious.
Fbh
Member
jeez
WTF.
That's A BIG difference.
Worst part is that the picture above doesn't look like something that is pushing consoles to the limit.
Now I'm doubting if I will get it at launch.
It's not like graphics are very important in this franchise, but I consider myselft someone who like to "vote with my wallet" and all this promoting games with BS footage needs to stop
cpp_is_king
Member
Isn't it possible there are still some pitch black areas in the game, but they aren't the same ones as what we saw in the trailer?
Also, notice in the screenshot with the guys running down the hallway towards the boss, that in the original screenshot the torches are lit. And in the final game, they aren't. So it still comes back to the torches.
On the plus side, that sounds like something that could be modded in the PC version.
The geometry and lighting source changes, on the other hand...
swazzyswess
Member
How far are you into the game so far?
Metroid-Squadron
Banned
That was the point. You had to chose either defense or visibility.
Not funny.
does he work for EA now?
That was the point. You had to chose either defense or visibility.
does he work for EA now?
Whoa, is he for real or just joking because that's pretty big thing to forget...
pretty done
Member
jeez
Watch Dogs tier bullshit.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Yeah. Its hilariously sad we may all just be waiting on Durante again but this time to fix the game full stop, not just improve resolutions etc.
I'm still not sure what to do come Friday (UK release date). I don't want to wait a month and the PC version is still the gimped Prepare to WHY??? edition.
plasmawave
Banned
Wait, you guy are taking that tweet seriously?
i can't tell!
i can't tell!
Orthogonal
Member
Haven't played it myself, but I've been watching streams.
Basically yes. POM gives you ton more depth than normals can, but it should only be used relatively flat surfaces because it will look bad from steep angles. So tessellation should be used on those instead.
Normals are still used instead of Tessellation because they are enormously more expensive performance wise and they should be easier to create. (I have only made normals so I don't actually know how to prepare models for tessellation.)
Poetic.Injustice
Member
For anyone who didn't see it before here's the original 60fps HD TGS trailer. Very sad if this doesn't make it into the PC version.
http://www.gamersyde.com/download_dark_souls_ii_tgs_trailer-30829_en.html
http://www.gamersyde.com/download_dark_souls_ii_tgs_trailer-30829_en.html
boredofcanada
Member
any chance for a patch tomorrow?
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
That account is funny. It looks like a mix of obvious satire/parody, and normal dev Twitter stuff haha. Maybe the latter is to add believability and fool people.
My favourite tweet:
LOL