Yeah, it seems like people keep on forgetting this..
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Did Sony set the stage for E3 2014?
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Yeah, it seems like people keep on forgetting this..
Commanche Raisin Toast
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MS will go all out with software, since they know they need to play a little catchup there after all the good relations Sony has made with devs, and indies, etc.
i don't think they'll have a rebuttal for the VR headset though. they seem to have bet so much on kinect that i don't know if they would even have anything else to show other than more kinect games and maybe play up the cloud a bit more? a price drop would probably be in the cards if they want to make a big splash with it like Sony did with the no DRM 'announcement'.
still though, i fear that Sony won't have much more to show with the headset at E3 seeing how they were talking about getting development tools going in the future. it doesn't seem like morpheus will be out this year. maybe holiday 2015? kind of a bummer, but i'd like there to be software for the damn thing when it launches, and also at a good price.
i don't think they'll have a rebuttal for the VR headset though. they seem to have bet so much on kinect that i don't know if they would even have anything else to show other than more kinect games and maybe play up the cloud a bit more? a price drop would probably be in the cards if they want to make a big splash with it like Sony did with the no DRM 'announcement'.
still though, i fear that Sony won't have much more to show with the headset at E3 seeing how they were talking about getting development tools going in the future. it doesn't seem like morpheus will be out this year. maybe holiday 2015? kind of a bummer, but i'd like there to be software for the damn thing when it launches, and also at a good price.
Oh, fuck. A horror game could have enemies coming out of your screen "The Ring" style. *shudder*
LegendofDragoonLives
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- PlayStation Now content
- Morpheus, Driveclub, Sony London, older games with VR and a few other ones
- WWS & exclusives, The Order 1886, Uncharted 4, Sony Bend IP, Media Molecule new IP, LittleBigPlanet 3, The Last Guardian
A lot of content for only 3 hours. I'd imagine PS3 and Vita are going to take about 20 minutes of that timespan. I'd imagine about 15-30 minutes will be given to other Sony sections such as Sony Pictures/music.
- Morpheus, Driveclub, Sony London, older games with VR and a few other ones
- WWS & exclusives, The Order 1886, Uncharted 4, Sony Bend IP, Media Molecule new IP, LittleBigPlanet 3, The Last Guardian
A lot of content for only 3 hours. I'd imagine PS3 and Vita are going to take about 20 minutes of that timespan. I'd imagine about 15-30 minutes will be given to other Sony sections such as Sony Pictures/music.
statham
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AR is augmented reality and quite cool in-itself , VR you are completely in a different world.
NullPointer
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MS needs to respond the same way they would have needed to respond if Sony hadn't revealed this - and that's several killer apps that justify the Kinect.
Short of that, the Xbone will slowly wither, price cut or not, Kinect removed or not. Its the bed they've made and its the riddle they absolutely need to solve to justify their contender for this generation. If they can't they need to put their sights on the Xbox Two sooner rather than later.
Pristine_Condition
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Yeah. When my cousin sent me the picture as a PM on my phone, I thought the same thing...
digoutyoursoul
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In terms of gaming content, no, it did nothing for me. In terms of how they dealt with the DRM thing at the end , yeah that was fun.
NullPointer
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The holodeck is AR (projection) and the matrix is VR (immersion).
Coulomb_Barrier
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I think MS are literally years behind Sony on the VR front.
I don't even think FF15 will make to this years show let alone KH3. TLG and Rime seem pretty close to impossible to be shown at E3.
PoloBlue28
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What if they don't react? VR could be the next gimmick like 3D, Motion control, Wii u gamepad.
I hope there will be some proper tech demos but not like the year where MS and Sony went apeshit with Move/Natal.
I hope there will be some proper tech demos but not like the year where MS and Sony went apeshit with Move/Natal.
ArcaneJoker
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Microsoft's answer to it is to partner with oculus to bring their tech over to the x1. Not exclusively but as well as PC.
Aaronrules380
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Not quite sure why people are so excited for what will likely be a few hundred dollar peripheral without too much support (especially in the beginning). I really don't care about stuff like this at all unless it has the games to back it up. Right now, PS4 (and Xbone) still don't really have any games that appeal to me, and almost zero that I know of are being developed at this point in time. So long story short, this doesn't really matter without quality support, and for me personally it also has to be support that I care about
Rogue_Ledr
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Possibly. Unless they took preemptive action, as I said before. Its possible, but not likely.
Try out VR and tell me it's a gimmick.
Crimson_Gold
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Oculus already said the consoles aren't in their plans. That would rule out this approach
Dragonborn
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MS needs to do something. They can't ride on Titanfall's coattails anymore, and all attention will shift to PS4 now.
The VR
The exclusives
Sony has exclusive marketing for Watch Dogs and Destiny
If MS doesn't do anything, they're going to keep sliding into irrelevance until the new Halo is out (the actual sequel, not a remake).
The VR
The exclusives
Sony has exclusive marketing for Watch Dogs and Destiny
If MS doesn't do anything, they're going to keep sliding into irrelevance until the new Halo is out (the actual sequel, not a remake).
Unless Fortaleza turns out to be a real thing.
Lol People keep on saying oh Ms could partner with Oculus or even buy them.. Not that easy..
Seems MS decided to go with AR instead and that might bite them. People keep on talking about content being a problem. I see it as a big problem for Fortaleza.
At least, in VR, you now have Sony, OR and Valve in on the medium and more developers will jump in.
Don't see the same happening on Fortaleza.
Add to that, I just don't see Fortaleza being more impressive than VR. Even what has leaked of Fortaleza seem gimmicky as hell.
Rogue_Ledr
Banned
Far too late in the game for that dude! or is still a ways off from being ready for PC. For X1? That would take years! It might be easier just to create a new peripheral for the X1 from the ground up!
Plus oculus themselves said that consoles may not be viable for VR!
vxXJordanXxv
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LOL. Wait till you see what's coming, it's gonna blow your mind.
Do you know what is coming? Or are you just speculating that it is going to be awesome?
Take it from someone who has the Oculus devkit, it's certainly no gimmick.
Go try the boiler room demo and then see if you can conjure up that word again.
If they do, they'll risk putting the Xbox brand in even more jeopardy & will become the next Sega. They'll have no choice but to ride it out. Same with Nintendo.
Sony will reveal the VR, and somehow fuck it up and put a bunch of bullshit no one wants attached to it.
Microsoft will try to come up with something, and somehow make themselves look like bigger assholes than usual.
Nintendo will reveal nothing important, and will make no major announcements about the future of the company, and will by default be the "winner" of E3 on the basis of fucking up the least on their presentations.
Basically it will look like this (sans Ubisoft)-
Lmao Nintendo didn't even have a press conference last year.
No chance of winning e3.
Speedy Blue Dude
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Oh. That's disappointing. My hype for Microsoft and Fortaleza just went down immensely.
Still hyped for E3 though.I said E3 could be a bloodbath this year, now with this thing in the mix, who knows what MS's glasses will end up being, it's going to be a bloodbath at E3. At least when at Sony's conference when they drive an ice pick into the Vita on stage.
Put the Vita and PlayStation Now stuff out days before E3, then focus on PS4 games and Morph pls Sony. You guys have way too much stuff to pack in there. I'll give you 1 minute of stage time to jack off to your sales numbers and that's it.
Put the Vita and PlayStation Now stuff out days before E3, then focus on PS4 games and Morph pls Sony. You guys have way too much stuff to pack in there. I'll give you 1 minute of stage time to jack off to your sales numbers and that's it.
If OR reveals their second dev kit tomorrow, I'll jump in on that.
I'm not sure if I want to even jump into thread, because it really just feels like a trap. Last e3 was great, not because it was actually great, but because we finally got to see the new stuff. I was actually impressed with both consoles, but Sony 'won' by basically keeping things the same.
I'd like to see then come out with the VR stuff, but only if it is coming soon. I'd love to see something new and interesting, but first I'd like to see some solid software coming out and when to expect it. If last E3 taught us anything it is to keep if simple and don't rock the boat, but I kind of hope that wasn't the only lesson learned.
I'd like to see then come out with the VR stuff, but only if it is coming soon. I'd love to see something new and interesting, but first I'd like to see some solid software coming out and when to expect it. If last E3 taught us anything it is to keep if simple and don't rock the boat, but I kind of hope that wasn't the only lesson learned.
This doesn't sound like it's coming before 2015. I doubt Sony is going to be ready to discuss final form and price by E3 either. Compound that with the difficulty of demoing VR to a mass audience and I really don't see how this can be a major factor at E3 other than for handwaiving distraction. IOW, they still need to be doing what's really important at the first E3 following a holiday hardware launch: demonstrate they've got games aplenty coming in the back half of the year and into the forseeable future. This doesn't set the stage, just raises the expectations, which could be a problem.
And how would you know?
Regardless of the experience, for it reach mass penetration, it needs to debut with a low enough price-point to not only fork the money for a headset, but for a PS4 and accessories as well.
Incredibly hard feat for Sony and one MS doesn't need to venture in. They'll just bank on Halo 5 kinect-less $299 console and do incredibly well.
Anticitizen One
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I wouldn't be surprised if the VR stuff isn't even mentioned at e3. It seems like it's aloooong way to go before mass market.
Ricerocket
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I think it's way too early for them as in they don't have the content to show it off because it is technically still an early work in progress prototype.
They better show new games and stick to that. At this point, they,ve been pushing their console as the gaming console for the players and they better have the games to back it up. I feel like MS has them beat in that regards.
They better show new games and stick to that. At this point, they,ve been pushing their console as the gaming console for the players and they better have the games to back it up. I feel like MS has them beat in that regards.
Aaronrules380
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Yeah, this is going to be an insanely expensive ad on. That alone will ensure that very, very few games will be made for it (and the majority of those will be from Sony), since it's sure to split the user base and be very niche (not to mention developer don't have experience with it, which could increase risk and development costs). No matter how cool VR can be, without support I really don't think it can be said to be worth much without support. And I don't see it getting much support anytime soon
TheOctodad
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All these people saying VR is niche aren't seeing the big picture here.
Imagine:
Virtual classrooms that you can actually sit in, biology labs where you can interact with the actual animals or other objects.
Training simulations where you can move around actual buildings and blueprints before you go in.
Real estate design and walking through the house options you want to build.
Shopping for a hotel or an apartment and taking a live virtual tour.
A show like cosmos or the history channel allowing you to explore the areas they are talking about.
The list goes on.
This is more than just gaming and with these kinds of features eventually I could see it breaking out of niche.
Niche was the internet, niche was gaming consoles at all, niche was computers. There are always early adopters before mass acceptance. Doesn't make it not worth doing.
Imagine:
Virtual classrooms that you can actually sit in, biology labs where you can interact with the actual animals or other objects.
Training simulations where you can move around actual buildings and blueprints before you go in.
Real estate design and walking through the house options you want to build.
Shopping for a hotel or an apartment and taking a live virtual tour.
A show like cosmos or the history channel allowing you to explore the areas they are talking about.
The list goes on.
This is more than just gaming and with these kinds of features eventually I could see it breaking out of niche.
Niche was the internet, niche was gaming consoles at all, niche was computers. There are always early adopters before mass acceptance. Doesn't make it not worth doing.
EventHorizon
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Kinect can't help with position tracking for VR. It is too slow. MS will have to have LEDs, accelerometers, and buttons on the player in order to have acceptable levels of performance tracking which goes against the Kinect's camera only approach.
Even if Microsoft backed down and permitted sensors to help Kinect, the Kinect's camera is too slow to track LEDs because of its slower refresh rate. Although the Kinect does a decent job of tracking movement considering it has no markers to follow, it is amazing how bad the it would be for accurately tracking movement in the more precise scenario of using markers..
Code:
Kinect Camera
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640×480 pixels @ 30 Hz (RGB camera)
640×480 pixels @ 30 Hz (IR depth-finding camera)
Playstation Camera
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640×480 pixels @ 60 Hz
320×240 pixels @ 120 Hz
Chobel
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LOL. Wait till you see what's coming, it's gonna blow your mind.
Do you know what's coming this E3?
The PS Camera specs are for the Eye, not the PS4 camera. Here's the PS4 camera specs:
1280 x 800 @ 60fps
640 x 400 @ 120fps
320 x 192 @ 240fps
Aaronrules380
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Eventually sure. But not when it costs 100s of dollars on top of needing to invest in a console in the first place. Even if it has potential, that isn't necessarily enough for it to sell, especially at the moment. Morpheus might pay off eventually by giving Sony an in to a developing field, but I doubt that will be any time soon
Cirekiller
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This is definitely a possibility. IIRC the Move reveal was pretty hyped too (maybe not to this extend cause it was seen as a me too on the Wii mote), but Sony needs to actually put a lot of support behind this thing for it to be anywhere near as successful as it should.
Chobel
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Most (all?) VR games should be playable without a VR headset.