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Nintendo Fiscal Meeting - Over
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MisterGrey3000
Member
Thank goodness that there are no GAF members in charge of Nintendo. They probably would have went the way of SEGA in the NGC era.
If you can't understand why it's a bad idea to a abandon a console two years into it's life cycle, I don't know what to tell ya.
Here For The Free Feed
Member
i do, 'go do your history'
StreetsAhead
Member
Interesting to have confirmation that the Wii U NFC games will be out this holiday, followed by the 3DS stuff in the first half of next year.
I am not sure what they mean by licensing 'in areas Nintendo has never worked before', because I cannot think of many fields that they haven't used their character IP before. I'll be interested if it leads to new TV shows, or movies, but I'm not sure if that's what they have in mind.
I am not sure what they mean by licensing 'in areas Nintendo has never worked before', because I cannot think of many fields that they haven't used their character IP before. I'll be interested if it leads to new TV shows, or movies, but I'm not sure if that's what they have in mind.
theprodigy
Member
Nintendo is not coming close to 12m regardless, it'd be a minor miracle if they even got out 10m without some severe channel stuffing.
BundysFeet
Banned
When did EA give fans a promise regarding the Wii U? You know who made fans a promise? Nintendo. Nintendo made fans a promise that they finally were going to have more third party support. EA needed a system that sells or that has significant potential to sell in order to invest in developing for said system. It was clear as day to almost anyone that the Wii U was a failure in the making even before launch.
EA most likely expected Nintendo to put out a capable product that would garner the demand that would make it worthwhile for EA to invest in the system. Nintendo didn't ergo Nintendo is the one at fault.
If you're going to buy a Nintendo system for third party support you're doing it wrong.
Interceptor
Banned
Who cares. I have fun with it. ^^
That´s nonsense. Why do you think they build this stuff back in 08/09? They expanded constantly but even Miyamoto apologized they underestimated the amount needed. As for excuses: Do you really think you could just tripple your workforce and still stay true to what your company is about? Thats not how it works.^^ Nintendo is not a hire and fire company that works with people just for a project. The people are there to stay (even Iwata lol). If you expand, you do it carefully.
Whats up with your excuses? It´s just an explanation. There were a lot of factors for 3 years of lost money. Many of them are gone. Nothing more, nothing less.
It´s based on my reality. As for the other users: I doubt their reasoning was "lol Iwata wants to safe his ass lol"
It means they pretty much described the Wii and all their future politics on the introduction conference of the gamecube. No one expected the high sales. But they were always honest about what they are trying to accomplish as a company. People don´t like it and make their own interpretations instead.
No, not like the other systems. I said OS, not account. Iwata himself made the comparisson to iOS. They plan a unified OS starting with the (late) Wii U and even more so future systems. A future where you have multiple hardware iterations and devices which share a similar OS so you can easily develop software for all of them and of course leverage a single account. It´s all in the slides from January. (I guess it was january.. the qol stuff.)
But what else could they announce for 3DS that would be considered safe? Pokemon, Smash, and Tomodachi isn't enough, and they already released their usual heavy-hitters.
E3 will definitely be interesting.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
X still confirmed for 2014. X still listed as "A brand new title developed by MONOLITH SOFTWARE INC.". Nintendo why.
Interceptor
Banned
They are certainly big enough to leverage the installed base of 43 million systems and earn a lot of money, thats the focus. If it is enough to sell new systems.. we will have to wait for E3 to see about that. ^^
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Thats not even the point, Im just using 12m to explain that Nintendo wasnt just basing it off nothing of substance.
Slightly off topic here, but it always amuses me how this is said literally every single year, haha. Or at least has been for the past three to four years in a row.
E3 is always interesting! Embrace it!
As for the 3DS, I'd be genuinely surprised if we don't see a successor launch in 2015. Whether that means it'll be announced a year in advance or just a few months prior doesn't really matter.
Beer Monkey
Member
The best selling game console right now is just a traditional game console (PS4). It provides good power for the price and doesn't rely on gimmicks or fads.
Nintendo should consider this rather than trying to save their marketshare and mindshare with gimmicks that hurt their value proposition (expensive bundled gamepad that gamers aren't interested in and which adds little to nothing to the gameplay of their top titles) and fads (NFC figures aka the new plastic guitar).
Sell NTDOY and sell it fast. Hell, short it.
Nintendo should consider this rather than trying to save their marketshare and mindshare with gimmicks that hurt their value proposition (expensive bundled gamepad that gamers aren't interested in and which adds little to nothing to the gameplay of their top titles) and fads (NFC figures aka the new plastic guitar).
Sell NTDOY and sell it fast. Hell, short it.
Interceptor
Banned
If I were them I'd release the next console as soon as practicable, which probably means Holiday 2016. There's certainly no reason for it to be later than that, so that's what I'd shoot for.
That gives them 30 months to get their software development in order for the new console's launch. That should be enough time if they shift most of their current development, including all of the big hitters, over to the new platform.
Current Wii U owners would get three years of solid support (by Nintendo's standards), with token releases in 2015 (like Mario sports) to pad out the release schedule before the new system hits. They will have gotten two Marios, DKC, Mario Kart, and Smash. They'd certainly have no cause to complain.
What they wouldn't get is the new Zelda, which should be penciled in as the crown jewel of the launch lineup for next gen. It'd be a total waste to release that on the Wii U.
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
I still think this was the most important part of the whole thing.
Slightly off topic here, but it always amuses me how this is said literally every single year, haha. Or at least has been for the past three to four years in a row.
E3 is always interesting! Embrace it!
As for the 3DS, I'd be genuinely surprised if we don't see a successor launch in 2015. Whether that means it'll be announced a year in advance or just a few months prior doesn't really matter.
I meant specifically Nintendo's presentation. We can never be sure if Nintendo is gonna give us another snooze-fest or not.
I feel like it'll be similar to W101. August in Japan, September in America.
They already did back in the day, when the Gamecube kicked Ps2's ass tech-wise. Didn't work
Sell it fast? At 13.xx ? LOL, are you nuts?
If anything, you should buy. Now, lots of it.
There will be some nice spikes, maybe even 18-ish like some months ago, possibly when QoL is revealed. Easy money to make.
Smiles and Cries
Member
http://www.ign.com/blogs/battlestri...-eas-unprecedented-partnership-with-nintendo/
why are we pretending this was never a thing? When a console get announce a hardware company always has a line up of 3rd parties promising support did we not just have hardware launches? Promises of games are always made at these events, but EA went a bit extra with the Wii U presser with.
Unprecedented Partnership
was so loud and clear it became a meme around here
I give you it was 2011 and selective memory may blurr things but hey I agree with mostly eveything you said there but my point is already made and my experience and perspective on that experience stands as EA kicked me hardest when it comes to WiiU
so many reply to me just saying EA not many bothered to say anything about me blaming gamers for not buying W101
I said them both as a joke to be taken lightly based on truth but not all defense force worthy
EA screwed me that is a fact I spent money on games they published and sent to die on the platform. I cannot just blame the hardware when I clearly saw how they released and marketted basicly screwed that version of the game.
If you want 3rd party games you don't buy Nintendo period but that does not mean EA did not get on stage and make gamers a promise of a partnership
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BlackBanditSho
Member
As a former Wii U owner, I have to go on record to defend Nintendo. The Wii U was the best of the next gen systems imo. If it had 3rd party support and Nintendo spent time making new IPs that weren't steeped in tradition, Sony and MS would be shaking in their corporate boots. The BEST gaming experiences I've had in years were on the Wii U, and the only reason that I gave it up is because I knew that the system wasn't going anywhere and would only get cheaper. Pick it up now or two years from now, and the games won't change or be too dated.
I'm sad that the Wii U is doing so poorly because after owning the PS4 and playing with the Xbox One - both good systems - if the Wii U had the healthy 3rd party support and eventually found a way to make that gamepad more portable, I'd have decided to ride that out as my sole console without any regrets.
If Bethesda and EA and Activision supported it properly and equally, no hesitation. Wouldn't have even CONSIDERED a PS4, and I might have gone Xbox One with backwards compat for digital 360 games. Otherwise, Wii U for the win.
It's a PHENOMENAL piece of tech and the games have a LOT of love in them. Sadly, until I get another Wii U one day, my 3DS provides my Nintendo fix.
I'm sad that the Wii U is doing so poorly because after owning the PS4 and playing with the Xbox One - both good systems - if the Wii U had the healthy 3rd party support and eventually found a way to make that gamepad more portable, I'd have decided to ride that out as my sole console without any regrets.
If Bethesda and EA and Activision supported it properly and equally, no hesitation. Wouldn't have even CONSIDERED a PS4, and I might have gone Xbox One with backwards compat for digital 360 games. Otherwise, Wii U for the win.
It's a PHENOMENAL piece of tech and the games have a LOT of love in them. Sadly, until I get another Wii U one day, my 3DS provides my Nintendo fix.
This graph shows the transitions of download sales until the last fiscal year.
As shown here, download sales had slowed down three-to-four years ago, but they have tripled in the last two years. I think this is because of the following efforts that we have undertaken in the past few years.
- Internet-connection ratios of Nintendo 3DS and Wii U are significantly higher than the past Nintendo platforms, and download-only games and services have been enriched
- Awareness of Nintendo eShop has reached a point where users periodically access it as a channel for video game information
- We started download sales of packaged software, which expanded our digital business
- We have expanded our range of payment methods, including POSA cards available in retail stores
In particular, when we consider that we have made this progress while Nintendos overall business has not generally been expanding, I think further developing this business will be imperative for us to adapt to the changes in the business environment.
http://www.gonintendo.com/s/227845-nintendo-shows-wii-u-3ds-online-success-eshop-usage-and-digital-sales
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
While some are going to continue recommending Nintendo drop everything right now to make a direct competitor to PS4, I think everything they keep saying points to a different possibility: that they really are not ever going to go back to trying to compete head to head with the hardcore console market. They seem to be fishing around for every possible way to avoid that.
Nintendo needs to stop thinking a gimmick is the path to success. Repair those 3rd party relations. Get them putting as much effort into the Nintendo Sku as the others and then make a real attempt. Nintendo can differentiate itself from similar competition with its games.
Let the games do the talking the need for goofy hardware is not the answer. They always say Gamers don't want the same hardware blah blah blah when the fact is Gamers do not care if the hardware is all the same. They want big comprehensive libraries of those 3rd party games and those fantastic 1st part offerings to sway their buying habits.. Until Nintendo wakes up all it has is the first party library that they cannot develop fast enough to sustain
Let the games do the talking the need for goofy hardware is not the answer. They always say Gamers don't want the same hardware blah blah blah when the fact is Gamers do not care if the hardware is all the same. They want big comprehensive libraries of those 3rd party games and those fantastic 1st part offerings to sway their buying habits.. Until Nintendo wakes up all it has is the first party library that they cannot develop fast enough to sustain
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Mustve been drinking again
Sorry, but until Nintendo starts making the last of us clones instead of mario, and halo clones instead of pokemon the third party support that's on the box now is all they'll get. Even if they'd released a completely different piece of hardware with stronger processors and a different focus. The support they're getting now is all that the big publishers are putting out in the demographics that nintendo focuses on. They're already getting most or all of that software. Most of the focus of the major publishers revolve around creating a couple of iterative franchises that revolve around young western males. i.e. think where comic books have gone in the past while
Beelzebufo
Banned
I have idea what you're trying to say, but I don't think that anyone is suggesting that Nintendo should make a Halo clone.
You mean like Mario and Link? What does this have to do with Nintendo?
Smiles and Cries
Member
this is why I said they are not going to change the issues they are seeking other ways to be profitable as a way to save the gaming side without having to hear what you just pointed out as a need.
I wish they would try to compete but part of me still feels some third parties do not want to see Nintendo doing well.
The thing is they have not given them a platform without excuses to avoid supporting it.
I wish they would try, why even be in this business if you cannot have something that is industry standard. when online or voice chat is a shock. where youtube video uploads is a shock. where dlc is a shock, season pass on Mario Golf? Shock!
Nintendo needs to change this oddball image and be part of the industry. The sad thing about this news is they are seeking other paths to profitability instead of making the change.
I think he was being sarcastic.Right?
Interceptor
Banned
Depends on what "head to head" means. Contrary to popular belief it´s not exactly rocket science to put a middle class cpu and gpu into a plastic case. They just don´t believe that 3 exactly the same consoles is what the market needs today. They shifted the focus to stay competitive. This doesn´t mean they are not high tech anymore, only if you equal gpu with tech. You might not agree with this, heck i don´t always, but thats how they see themselfs. Thats how they defined their future back in 2001 when they revealed the cube. 13 years ago they said they don´t believe in shrinking market where everyone does the same while the cost for making new games a constantly growing. Higher cost, fewer games, everyone does the same = higher risk. 10 years most of the studios from 2000 were dead. So.. it´s not that difficult to go "head to head", but it´s damn risky in a market where two companies already do the exact same. Better use those gpu dollars and make a motion control, or a fucking screen in your controller. Sometimes it pays of, sometimes it doesn´t. Nintendo will continue on this path of making their own hardware for whatever and write software for it. But don´t expect a simple copy of a device you can get anywhere else. Ever again.
Until Nintendo changes the majority of software they output to match what the rest of the industry is doing, they're not going to have the demographics that attract third parties, no matter which processors are inside their boxes. Put out a box with colourful cartoon-like games that are targeted toward all ages? Get Skylanders and Disney and the occasional bone from third party mega-franchises (i.e. stealth-released CoDs, AC, etc)
Put out a box with a more conducive audience that purchases the same violent titles with large budgets you're making? You'll get more of them because they are in line with who you're trying to attract to the box.
He's saying that Western third parties don't show up on Nintendo hardware because of the perceived audience Nintendo caters to and cultivates. And that their situation won't change until they start aggressively going after the markets Western game developers go after.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
I got rid of all of my sarcasm meters so I dont know anymore.
Beelzebufo
Banned
How about putting out a box that has great traditional features, and then continue making Nintendo games for it (which I think is that first part you're talking about).
Then use some of that portable $$$ to make sure all the gritty third party games come to your console too, so that you attract those kinds of gamers to your console as well.
You seem to have the idea that they can't achieve both, which simply isn't the case.
OP got banned for spamming the Monster Hunter iOS thread.
OP went kind nuts in the Monster Hunter iOS thread with a popgaf gif signature spam fest. The posts have been deleted since, but read in the sense of "I'm freaking out over this. lol lol lol".
Every time I look up it seems like Sammy's getting banned for something.
On topic: The fact that they are no longer taking losses on WiiUs sold is good thing. Hopefully there will be more announcements at E3 to instill a better picture, but at least not all is lost for the fiscal year.
Nintendo already did that. It was called the Gamecube...
That doesn't work either.
In fact, aside from the already mentioned past failed examples, the Wii U is a 8th generation PS360-class device (well, much newer tech but similar amount of power) with a standard controller (same controls) that happens to have a touch-screen option. It ain't getting any 360 ports. Until Nintendo changes their output to match what the rest of the industry is making, demographics will continue to be an issue with third party publishers and their bean counters. In other words, until Nintendo makes their software more like Sony and Microsoft (i.e. heavy western focus, AAA usually-violent 16-30 male games - just like western publishers), they shouldn't expect the same kind of support. It isn't going to happen.
Speaking of bean counters
Yeah, they should totally blow through even more of their "warchest" to receive ports.
Because that's worked for them..
Oh wait. Why do you think they had *any* third party support at the console's launch? They provided lower fees/marketing dollars and other financial incentives. Even published some of the titles that weren't entirely out of reach financially. Worked great.
Seems to be. Games cost a lot more than they did a couple generations ago.
Edit: and further to the point, that 16-30 year old male demo is going to mostly ignore Nintendo anyway, so maybe in your scenario it would be best for them to change their name from Nintendo to something else if you want this mystic dream of equal third party support to happen.
Right. The GameCube strategy part deux, only go harder this next time. I can see why Nintendo would be hesitant to approach it.
Which when all is said and done will likely sell almost 3x as much as the Wii U.
Even then Nintendo deliberately gimped the Gamecube with mini discs. Third party games that were made tended to come late and inferior. All reasons for Gamers to not care.
Nintendo needs to make a console in he same vicinity as the competition. No gimped discs or whatever. Get 3rd parties to not half ass and then keep it up. They wont rebuild trust in 1 generation.
MisterGrey3000
Member
Which is the right move. They really shouldn't set their sights on a crowded, uber competitive, and consolidating market. Unless they change the kind of content they produce, the young western male demo isn't gonna pay any attention to them.
vinnygambini
Why are strippers at the U.N. bad when they're great at strip clubs???
Sammy is banned again lol?
I'm going to miss dem K-Pop gifs
I'm going to miss dem K-Pop gifs
Smiles and Cries
Member
wait why would making clones of those games bring 3rd parties?
If Nintendo made those types of games I would not need 3rd Parties on my Nintendo box, the whole point of being Nintendo is the kind of silly games you will not find anywhere else.
This is changing Nintendo into Sony.
I understand the demographic could change if Nintendo created those games but not sure if 3rd Parties really want a Nintendo Quality Halo, COD, GTA in the mix to compete against.
Nintendo cannot create those games, they don't have that kind of vision, this is why Bayonetta was so shocking to all. It would be interesting if they could invest more in western studios to compete in this arena. Maybe after doing it and supporting it for a few generation 10-15 years from now of releasing these types of games the demographic should expect to see them on a Nintendo platform.
It would take years to change this image. I think it would be worth $100 million alone to buy 2 GTA ports on Wii U to force that image change sooner. That is the cheaper investment for the short-term