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*UNMARKED SPOILERS ALL BOOKS* Game of Thrones |OT| - Season 4 - Sundays on HBO

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A Human Becoming

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The first two Mountains? Are you serious? Conan Stevens was great but the 2nd Mountain was just a skinny guy who sat in a chair awkwardly staring at people. 3rd Mountain is an amazing recast compared to that guy.
Okay, all I really remember about the 2nd Mountain was his height, so I'll take that back. Still think 3rd Mountain isn't very good.
Was there any single thing that made the S2 Gregor ferocious? Are you misremembering or just whining? The S1 Gregor was awesome, but let's whine where whining is deserved.
It's mis-remembering. I don't appreciate being called a whiner.
 

Fey

Banned
Reading this thread, you would think the words "Only Cat" were the very peak of English literature, and to alter it was tantamount to rewriting Shakespeare.

I feel the scene(s) do(es) deserve to be ripped apart tbh

But not because of that line. The line change does feel unnecessary but "your sister", "only Cat", "only Catelyn" ... they all mean the same thing in the end. I've seen people trying to find some poetic meaning in either.
 

Paganmoon

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Haha, when that old guy with the gut wound asked "Who are you?" and Arya replied "Arya stark" I half expected him to slap her and say "You lie!"
 

RedShift

Member
I'm guessing Grey Worm and Missendei's inevitable relationship will be like what Stalwart Shield was going to the whore house for.

Shame cause Missendei is fiiiiiiiiiiit.
 

Lothar

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Yeah, just saw the episode, and am really disappointed with how they handled the entire segment - from the snow castle to Lysa's death. The former wasn't even close to being as touching as it was in the book (and Sansa snapping at Robin after he was being genuinely kind to her just because he accidentally messed up the castle did indeed feel very bratty and unnecessary, particularly because we don't know/see why exactly it would upset her so much) and the latter lacked the intensity the scene had in the book. Both of the scenes felt very short and rushed, too. (Also, I find it interesting that they didn't have Lysa repeat that she killed Jon again, since I thought it was significant in the book that Sansa is aware of what LF has made Lysa do ... but perhaps she'll just demand LF to tell her who he had Lysa kill, like she demanded to know why he had Joffrey killed.)

I don't really care that they changed "Only Cat" though, because I feel like many people would be like "Only who/what?????????? Whatdid he say???" The scene was disappointing for other reasons.

I'm surprised more people aren't complaining about this. That Sansa scene in the books was by far my favorite Sansa scene. Not Littlefinger pushing Lysa. Not Robin breaking the castle. But Sansa building the castle. It's a moment that's both beautiful and sad. And those moments are always great to have on shows. Who the hell cares about "Only Cat"? I didn't get my favorite scene. Well, okay, there was 2 seconds of it.
 

Dysun

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Reading this thread, you would think the words "Only Cat" were the very peak of English literature, and to alter it was tantamount to rewriting Shakespeare.

You just have to gloss over posts that mention only cat, I was taken aback for like 5 minutes after I saw the episode end and then I got over it. The line makes no difference
 

duckroll

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- People complaining about new Gregor actor's age. I don't like the recast either (well, he's probably better than G2 anyhow), but it's not like there's exactly an abundance of 7' actors out there.

I don't think the age of the actor really matters so much as how the character looks on the show. He really looks way too young especially compared to his brother. They could have put more effort into the make up there just to make him not look like some 20-something large guy with a youthful smile on his face.
 
I'm pretty sure that in the show, Grey Worm and the other Unsullied are just castrated, as in, balls chopped only, while in the books, they're very specifically mentioned to be relieved of their willies also.

I don't know if that affects the likelihood of him hooking up with anyone; I'm pretty sure that doesn't happen either way, in theory. But I could be wrong there.
 

Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The funny part was that when the line occurred, I literally said to my wife "I bet you 500 dollars a bunch of people on NeoGAF are flipping out that they changed the line from 'Only Cat.'"
 

Fey

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I'm surprised more people aren't complaining about this. That Sansa scene in the books was by far my favorite Sansa scene. Not Littlefinger pushing Lysa. Not Robin breaking the castle. But Sansa building the castle. It's a moment that's both beautiful and sad. And those moments are always great to have on shows. Who the hell cares about "Only Cat"? I didn't get my favorite scene. Well, okay, there was 2 seconds of it.

The entire chapter was one of my most hyped scenes to watch, along with the Red Wedding and Oberyn vs the Mountain (but I have more faith that they wouldn't dare mess with this scene). I knew there would be problems putting Sansa's internal monologue on screen, but I was thinking they would maybe have her tell LF what the snow means to her, maybe have her tell LF the story of her, Arya's, and Bran's snowball fight/seeing Robb for the last time before she left for KL, and then idk have him say a cryptic foreshadowing message that they'll go back to Winterfell one day before Robert comes in.

Maybe that's a bit much, but I was expecting more than a rushed scene that tried to convey the meaning by playing some sad music for 5 seconds.
 

Eidan

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I want to mention that I think the Oberyn/Tyrion scene is one of the best on the show to date.

"I will be your champion."

Goddamn.
 
Reading this thread, you would think the words "Only Cat" were the very peak of English literature, and to alter it was tantamount to rewriting Shakespeare.

You know, I'm seeing a lot more people complaining about people complaining about "Only Cat" than I am seeing people actually complaining about it. As far as I can tell, it seems most people aren't bothered by it.

The "ruin a quote from the books" stuff that was going on a few pages before was just fun. I did some, but specifically said that the "Only Cat" change didn't bother me one bit.
 

A Human Becoming

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I want to mention that I think the Oberyn/Tyrion scene is one of the best on the show to date.

"I will be your champion."

Goddamn.
It was fantastic. I'm glad they didn't divert from the book too much.

I loved the Hot Pie reappearance. That's the type of deviation I like.
 

Vespene

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I just realized that right now, with the exception of Tyrion and Jaime, all characters are geographically where they're in the books.
 

Speevy

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I couldn't stop laughing at what they had Bronn wearing yesterday. I've never seen a character on the show donning such attire.
 
I must be the only one who liked Season 2 Mountain. His voice was cool and I thought he was a better representation of what Gregor would actually be like as he's not gonna be pumping iron in the gym 5 hours a day or doping up on protein and HGH. It seems weird that's the body type they're going for, effectively a gym rat strongman which straight up didn't exist in that time period. Something in between season 1 and season 2 Mountain actors would probably be preferable.
 

yyzjohn

Banned
Getting so hung up over two words. Sigh. It was a brilliant scene.


They have to be specific for non book readers. "Only Cat" might have been confusing. They should have said "your sister, remember she was married to Ned Stark and was recently killed at the Red Wedding along with her son, Robb Stark"
 

RedShift

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Interesting bit from the Westeros.org interview with Cogman

http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Features/Entry/10901

Makes me wonder whether they're going to make Oberyn a former member of the Golden Company, and perhaps tie it into Aegon.

Yeah it did seem odd they bought up the Second Sons in front of Oberyn last episode and no one mentioned he used to be in them. Didn't he found his own company in the books as well?

Also, was Jorah ever mentioned as joining the Golden Company in the books? I remember thinking it was odd he didn't join the designated Westerosi exile company, but maybe I just missed it.
 

Fey

Banned
They have to be specific for non book readers. "Only Cat" might have been confusing. They should have said "your sister, remember she was married to Ned Stark and was recently killed at the Red Wedding along with her son, Robb Stark"

reminds me of

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maty

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Reading this thread, you would think the words "Only Cat" were the very peak of English literature, and to alter it was tantamount to rewriting Shakespeare.

Ok, we get it, the change doesn't bother you and you feel the complaints are childish. But people have different opinions.

Some may be upset because they are purists. Others because they like the phrasing better.

I speak for myself when I say I don't think it made a huge difference but preferred that it stayed the same. In fact from what I read and wrote earlier, many are not happy with the way the scene was treated not because of simple line, but because the most important part, the reveal, was shown earlier in a situation where it didn't make any sense.

Now if we are going to defend every change (be it this one or any other for that matter) with the excuse that viewers are stupid and won't remember who is which character then I don't know what to say.
 
You don't mention that those scenes are limited by the fact they've got to go with what GRRM is doing. Of course Bran can't go elsewhere/Yara rescue Theon at that point.

I don't think that's the issue - it's the nonsensical way it was presented. If Locke wanted to capture Bran, how the hell would he get him over the Wall - or if the plan was to get him to a Bolton ship, how the hell would he get to the coast? It just doesn't make sense. It would have made far more sense to ensure Bran got back to Castle Black with Jon and the rest, then steal him late one night.

Likewise I understand Yara was not going to capture Theon, I'm baffled by the execution of the scene. They literally run away from dogs, get back in their boats, and retreat - after an epic speech. What was the point of Yara having a big buildup scene last season...for this? There was no urgency to it. It sort of reminded me of that scene in Fellowship Of The Ring where Aragorn and company casually dodge arrows as they run away from the goblins (after Gandalf's fall). Very little emotional weight or tension. It's just a quick action beat to break up the dialogue heavy nature of the episode.
 

Dany

Banned
Whatever. HE could have said Only Cat instead of Your Sister. Makes no difference to me.


Great episode, Dany scenes are kinda grating.
 
My only problem with the line is it sounded like a troll. He used the word 'only' 2-3 times right before that, like they really wanted it to stand out to book readers.
 

agrajag

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They really dropped the ball with Rorge and Biter. It's memorable side characters like them that add so much character to the books.
 

John Harker

Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
yet another awesome episode. Best season? Might be.

The excessive gore made me a little uncomfortable (Gregor + the Hound stabbing that poor man's heart)... which I suppose was exactly their point with The Mountain. Gregor wasn't very menacing, looked like a giant teddybear, so introduce him with senseless gore and violence and it has the same affect I suppose!

Oberyn is amazing. Way more memorable than I recall from reading him.
 
I must be the only one who liked Season 2 Mountain. His voice was cool and I thought he was a better representation of what Gregor would actually be like as he's not gonna be pumping iron in the gym 5 hours a day or doping up on protein and HGH. It seems weird that's the body type they're going for, effectively a gym rat strongman which straight up didn't exist in that time period. Something in between season 1 and season 2 Mountain actors would probably be preferable.

that makes it even better, he's even more of an anomaly, a freak of nature
 

Selner

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They really dropped the ball with Rorge and Biter. It's memorable side characters like them that add so much character to the books.

And they didn't even connect Rorge and Biter as being the guys terrorizing the Riverlands. I guess it was last week where it was mentioned that "The Hound" was terrorizing the Riverlands?

But nothing about the helm, and how Rorge has been wearing it to impersonate The Hound.

Are they going to have someone else impersonating The Hound now? With Rorge dead, it can't be him now.

We do know that Brienne bites someone's face off, as the actress mentioned in a while ago.
 
Yeah, what the hell was with Gregor slaughtering those random people? Prisoner executions? Practice? Fun?

Probably a bit of both. Reminded me of the cartoon bulldog chewing on a huge piece of steak while the cat is trying to sneak into the house.

They looked like they were criminals or refugees rounded up for execution and Cersei was letting him deal with them for some warm up exercise, or just because that's what he does for fun.

It was pretty hilarious, in a grim way, but with all the recasts they pretty much blew any chance they had to develop The Mountain any further than being a quiet killing machine, so they needed to have him featured in a scene doing what he does for whatever reason before the big fight next episode.
 

Kain

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Man, the rapey waves emanating from LF could power a whole city. That's the only thing the guy does well.

Well, he was ok in today's episode. I liked the "Only Cat" a lot even if it wasn't exactly the same. It was a great moment and a defining moment for the character and the show. I hope people who don't follow the books see what this little act means.
 
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