My hope is that RAD has some interesting story or game concept that will demonstrate what differentiates The Order from other games of the genre. If the game is just 12hrs of what we just saw but with different guns/environments, it may still be a great game, but it won't "Wow" anyone.
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Sony teasing The Order sneak peak at 1pm PT today.
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My hope is that RAD has some interesting story or game concept that will demonstrate what differentiates The Order from other games of the genre. If the game is just 12hrs of what we just saw but with different guns/environments, it may still be a great game, but it won't "Wow" anyone.
Gorilla Shark
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Day One. Can't wait.
BrainZEROX
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Sony showed the game twice now, I think people are now more concerned that this is actually representative of the game.
How do you know, were you there in Victorian times ?
I'm pretty sure the sky was still blue back in the old days, pretty sure smog wasn't as bad that it blocked out the sky either.
The devs have clearly gone with these muted tones to give it a feeling of depressing slum like conditions.
If they can deliver a gameplay moment at E3 on par with that Uncharted 2 rooftop dash>building collapse scene shown during one E3, that would be impressive.
Acquiescence
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From the small amount of gameplay footage released so far, the game strikes me as the current-gen equivalent of Spec Ops: The Line more than anything else. So the gameplay itself is pretty standard and unspectacular, as it's seems content being a competent cover-based third-person shooter and little more. Yet the emphasis on narrative, scene-setting and the interplay between the leads is what I believe will be the main hook that gradually draws the player in and keep him/her invested until the end.
And honestly, I'm more than okay with that - I thought The Line was pretty great. This isn't the game to reinvent the wheel when it comes to third-person shooters, despite what it's impeccable visual design and leap in graphical fidelity would lead some to believe. There is a general lack of innovation shown so far in terms of how the game plays, and I personally would like to see the gunfight dynamic altered to a more offensive style when it comes to handling the half-breeds (it doesn't make much sense to me to use cover against something that's more monstrous, mindless and non-dependant on firearms as a weapon). But really, I think some of the expectations people here have of the game need to be tempered to something more realistic. It's a cinematic shooter, that's what it's been touted as from the very beginning, with the core goal of the team being to merge gameplay with cut-scenes in a seamless way so as to properly immerse the player in this compelling, atmosphere-heavy alternate history that they've created. There's no co-op mode or tacked-on multiplayer component and I applaud them for that, and given the developers history of making actual good games, I say bring their vision of this dream project that they've wanted to make for years.
But boy does Sony need to sell it better than they have so far.
And honestly, I'm more than okay with that - I thought The Line was pretty great. This isn't the game to reinvent the wheel when it comes to third-person shooters, despite what it's impeccable visual design and leap in graphical fidelity would lead some to believe. There is a general lack of innovation shown so far in terms of how the game plays, and I personally would like to see the gunfight dynamic altered to a more offensive style when it comes to handling the half-breeds (it doesn't make much sense to me to use cover against something that's more monstrous, mindless and non-dependant on firearms as a weapon). But really, I think some of the expectations people here have of the game need to be tempered to something more realistic. It's a cinematic shooter, that's what it's been touted as from the very beginning, with the core goal of the team being to merge gameplay with cut-scenes in a seamless way so as to properly immerse the player in this compelling, atmosphere-heavy alternate history that they've created. There's no co-op mode or tacked-on multiplayer component and I applaud them for that, and given the developers history of making actual good games, I say bring their vision of this dream project that they've wanted to make for years.
But boy does Sony need to sell it better than they have so far.
Agreed. Releasing an HQ version of this isn't going to address much of the criticism, which mostly has nothing to do with the visuals. Whatever we get on Tuesday is going to be more interesting to watch/read.
I can't imagine why Ready at Dawn would team-up with Sony again. I would tell them to piss off for letting us work on PSP spin offs. If it turns out that the top dogs of RaD have been working on a generic Gears Of War clone the whole time I'll be pissed.
It would also make me even more dissapointed about the fact that this is Sony's big fall game. Eventhough The Order nails the core TPS gameplay it is bland, unimaginetive and repetitive to a fault. Not even near worth all the praise. If it turns out that RaD is focusing most of it's resources on this game as an exclusive for this fall it means that Sony is nothing more than desperate to keep up with the competition.
If Sony let RaD pull something as stupid as this on purpose I'm completely done with them. I'm not going to buy a PS4 because of them. If they do this I'm going to boycott every single one of their products. I won't support them even if I happened to buy a PS4 at some point.
It would also make me even more dissapointed about the fact that this is Sony's big fall game. Eventhough The Order nails the core TPS gameplay it is bland, unimaginetive and repetitive to a fault. Not even near worth all the praise. If it turns out that RaD is focusing most of it's resources on this game as an exclusive for this fall it means that Sony is nothing more than desperate to keep up with the competition.
If Sony let RaD pull something as stupid as this on purpose I'm completely done with them. I'm not going to buy a PS4 because of them. If they do this I'm going to boycott every single one of their products. I won't support them even if I happened to buy a PS4 at some point.
Doc Holliday
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Rather have a nice linear game with tight controls, good level design, ai and graphics than an an open world game.
Looks good so far.
Looks good so far.
Ray Wonder
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I agree. I can't think of how else to describe this game other than a pretty TPS based in 1886, with futuristic guns.
That's the problem.
Please show me a shooter where the in-combat dialogue differs greatly from this?
Always-honest
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Looks great to me. Tps with Unique setting and gorgeous graphics and animations. Bring it.
Nice to see such well done faces too.
Some people expect 4D or something it seems.
Nice to see such well done faces too.
Some people expect 4D or something it seems.
That was the only element I'd nitpick. It was a very simplistic setup with guys standing out in the open for you to shoot them with your team mates holding fire as its your job to do the shooting (which doesn't make sense as in context of the moment their job is to do the shooting and your job is to rely on them and maybe fire off the odd pot shot yourself).
Otherwise the art direction looks superb for me and the gameplay looked solid enough in terms of the element shown (basic cover shooting).
Actually I do have one other nitpick - the HUD elements looked larger than they need to be (similar to inFamous and ACIV - feels like the attack of the over-sized HUDs this gen so far).
I remain cautiously optimistic there's a good game here - there's certainly a technically attractive one if nothing else. It is a pity that since the rather good initial reveal teaser nothing since has built on that in terms of PR/marketing - tiny snippets of basic elements of the game doesn't really convey much to get excited about.
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Nocturno999
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Graphics look impressive but Sony needs to show more than a couple of mustached guys shooting at I don't know what.
I think they fixed the framerate problems from the last build according to him.Okay, it's not from the old build guys, but there shouldn't be neither tearing nor framedrops.
TIMtationX
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I agree.
Infamous has fast acrobatic traversal (climbing over building is quick and easy, flying, gliding on electrical wires and tracks (infamous 1 and 2)), superpowers (duh), wack weapons (crazy powers and abilities), and fighting hordes of enemies (by far my favorite thing in infamous 2).
So to be fair.. What exactly makes Sunset Overdrive stand out? It's art style maybe. I'm just trying to be fair here.
Thing is, many games are derivatives of other games. Enough with these comparisons. Games can be like each other, as long as they are fun, who cares?
Saying it again, people are judging the game based on the footage released. It doesn't matter what we haven't seen yet, people will judge the game on what HAS BEEN released. Now it's developer's problem if the footage released isn't interesting. You can't expect audience to drool over this kind of crappy twitch footage.
LegendofDragoonLives
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Sony's marketing team for The Order and Driveclub have been so fucking amateur, those scrubs need to be demoted instantly. Hopefully, someone replaces those fools, though the past week has been very good for Driveclub and they've finally begun to promote it properly.
Seriously, who hired these amateur people in their advertising department when it came to these two games?
TetraGenesis
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He had no control over that. It's been said many times that they didn't even realize anything was going up today. That's all Sony Marketing.
A lot of other stuff.
You seriously played the video and wrote down all of this dialogue? I'm sorry, but lol.
CassidyIzABeast
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You don't need Gamersyde quality footage to come to the conclusion that that footage was boring.
In keeping with the Mario example, the general feeling from the first Super Mario 3D World trailer ranged from tepid to awful.
Now it's (rightfully so) considered one of the very best games of the past decade.
BrainZEROX
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I don't think we need a better clip, nobody's denying the game is gorgeous. What we need is a clear representation of what this game is about. If there's more to it than shooting werewolves, Sony has to show it or the "it's a basic TPS/Gears clone" claims will remain until release date.Someone tweet Ready at Dawn and see if they can give a high quality clip to based Blimblim !
Gamersyde you are our only hope !
maquiladora
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The last thing I expected in this thread was a bizarre insult towards sex workers.
It's amazing what people can glean from a couple of minutes of video.
is this the new 'age of sony is done'
Andrea Pessino.
Except Uncharted 2 is naturally driven by super dynamic scenes, the train sequence, the climbing etc... Uncharted has always been about scale and movement.
What they show there is really limited in rythm/scope/action. It's basically shooting at guys some meters away an hiding.
Krusenstern
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Holy moly, just watched the Youtube link. The graphics are outstanding. Playable CGI indeed.
I hope this will be a good TPS at least. Game might not show any new gameplay elements but that's not necessarily a bad thing if it delivers some solid shooting.
I hope this will be a good TPS at least. Game might not show any new gameplay elements but that's not necessarily a bad thing if it delivers some solid shooting.
TetraGenesis
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I've been thinking that sunset overdrive looks like Infamous 2 in a new aesthetic, too! Glad I'm not the only one thinking that.
Not that it's a bad thing, of course.
francknara
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So, I and my generic buildings are waiting for the E3 stage demo. I hope it's not an extended version of this scene.
I'm sure it will not be as bad as I think it looks right now. (Sorry devs, opinions and all, no offense!).
I'm sure it will not be as bad as I think it looks right now. (Sorry devs, opinions and all, no offense!).
Pretty sure this will make NeoGAF Shitposts. See ya on twitter!
Tom Bissell wrote a great piece about writing dialogue for combat. When he was working on the last Gears of War he and his co-writer wanted to write all this really unique and "good" dialogue for combat but they found that there are very specific lines that need to be used and very few substitutes for them. They wracked their brains trying to come up with new versions of those lines and finally just stuck with what worked in the past games because at the end of the day they needed to serve the game and not the dialogue.
It's a sad but really interesting piece.
Willy Wanka
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I really like the setting and the atmosphere and the overall visual polish is incredible. I mean this is a year one PS4 game so it's exciting to see it looking so good. The gameplay shown was undeniably dull though but it's only 3 minutes worth so I won't be judging the whole game on it.
I don't know Chamber, I feel like type of discussion should matter. May be RAD should not be happy with people just talking about their game, but worry about what is being discussed.
The sad thing is, someone spent 100x that long to write it.
darkside31337
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It was trending on Twitter for a while. As frustrating as it was for them to hype up a 3 minute video the way they did, it worked in the way they intended it to. Unfortunately honestly.
Ray Wonder
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That's all fine and dandy. This hadn't come out yet, so we can only get our information from things we know. We don't know if the whole game is like what we just saw, or completely different. We only have 3 minutes to go off of though. In those 3 minutes, I was awestruck by beauty, and put to sleep by gameplay.
I would imagine the smog was worse then than it is now in London. Sure there's no congestion but the industrial revolution wasn't exactly blue skies and healthy times. It was bloody filthy, but productive.
IncandescentPrecept
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Okay, it's not from the old build guys, but there shouldn't be neither tearing nor framedrops.
According to Andrea Pessino, there's no tearing and the framerate is smooth.
Always-honest
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That is weird. Why not high quality?
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