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Destiny Beta Xbox One footage
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There was definitely a difference. When RE4 came out on the PS2, the lighting effects and textured had to be tweaked considerably to make the game run acceptably. Black looked amazing on the Xbox compared to the PS2 (and it still looks great to this day).
Xbone games haven't had significant graphical changes like that to get them to run on the system.
We can only blame the community for it though. People seem to only care about resolution so that its what will be pushed and damn the rest of it. The problem is resolution is the only graphical information that can be displayed via a single number. That makes it easy to advertise or single out as a difference. I was perfectly happy with the graphics on ryse. I don't need 1080 to enjoy something.
SniperHunter
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Yea those days are gone. Xbox one can do any shader or effect ps4 can do, but at a lower res.
Xbox one games running at 720p is complete fail though. It is a horrible resolution and games like bf4 look like a complete jaggy mess.
I hope hardline runs at 900p on xbone
I remember playing Freedom Fighters in 720p HD on my Xbox and being amazed. It was my first HD game lol. That kind of stuff showed just how much more powerful the Xbox was compared to the PS2. Well that and Chaos Theory, Doom 3, Riddick and an few others that really took advantage of the Xbox.
SniperHunter
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There were several xbox games that could never run on ps2. Xbox was way more advanced
Caayn
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Agreed. But sadly the internet will demand 1080p just for the sake of numbers and console wars.
That and it had a hard drive also. That's why it blows my mind how in recent years Microsoft has been caught with its pants down when it comes to some of its hardware decisions.
SniperHunter
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It was just bad management under ballmer and don mattrick. I think the next xbox will be a powerhouse
But yea the next few years are going to suck for xbox fans.
true
not true
here's some numbers nextgen style:
gigaflops: more than 300% more on xbox. (in comparison, to keep the same gap today, ps4 should have more than 4.5tf (I think BOTH consoles should aim at this performance level anyway))
memory: 200% the ps2 memory on xbox, at 200% the memory speed too.
gpu 2001 tech in xbox, 1999 tech in ps2.
mind you that on top of that, xbox had the online gaming that ps2 lacked, yet if you ask around today about back then, I bet the majority will say that they enjoyed one hell of a ride with the ps2 and for many was the best console gen yet.
Why? I love 1080p. It makes a huge difference in clarity on my TV. That doesn't mean I dont want a solid framerate and no screen tearing. If they can't do 1080p without making those particular compromises, I want them to lower the resolution. But if they can cut some graphical effects to get 1080p, I'd be all for it.
Zombie James
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While I agree that developers shouldn't be forced to use 1080p, I disagree completely that 1080p is just a console war numbers game. Sorry, but no. We've just gone though an unusually long, worn out, eight-year generation of 720p or less; we've moved on from 2005-level hardware (finally) and 1080p should be expected now. It's not the internet or gamers' faults that MS was way off the mark with their hardware.
SniperHunter
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People cared a lot. The forum was just as bad then...
Constant trolling by itagaki or whem mikami moved resident evil to gamecube cauae ps2 wasnt powerful enough....
The system wars was just as intense back then
Schweinehund
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Looks good enough that non enthusiasts probably wouldn't care for the differences.
Yep.
Yup, people talked about the power differences all the time. I can only imagine the person you quoted just didn't frequent big forums back then.
PS2 did have online gaming and was the only place to play EA games online for about 2 years or so but the original Xbox definitely had the more unified online system. And yeah, the current gap isn't as bit as it was during that gen. I mean, back in that gen there was a pretty big difference in even the sports games... Madden looked much better on the Xbox than it did on the PS2 for example.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the Destiny beta. Want to see what the hype is all about.
One question, and I dont know if anyone have said something about this already, but if the clip was captured with the XBOX ONE DVR, doent it means this person was using the kinnect?, hence, he couldn't had been using the June kinectles SDK?
Im just asking, I have never recorded a clip from the One, so Im not sure if it can be done with the Kinnect disconnected.
Im just asking, I have never recorded a clip from the One, so Im not sure if it can be done with the Kinnect disconnected.
That's not how that stuff works.
People still care about games but when you have PS4 and Xbone having almost the same game library why would you pick the worse performing one?
That's not true. This community will lay into a game more for screen tearing and shitty framerates than being 900p.
Yes getting to 1080p looks good, but getting there by having screen tearing and poor framerates is even worse.
Nah, you can record gameplay without the Kinect.
So how does it work? I can actually do clips on my XBOX without the kinnect?
EDIT: thanks Chabbs0
Kazuma Kiryu
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Yeah, this isn't true. Technical differences have been talked about since the beginning of this medium.
The reason it didn't "matter" if Xbox or Gamecube were better or worse than PS2, was because the PS2 demolished the Dreamcast without breaking a sweat and those two other platforms didn't come out for at least a year (more than that in several territories). They never had a chance, regardless of hardware power.
The exclusives on the Xbone where enough for me to get it first.
I wasn't here at the time. If that's the case then I guess very few should be surprised by how things are now. I only visited the official PS forums on top of AOL gaming forums (haha) during that time. Latter was multi-console but there weren't any console wars.
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1. You don't need Kinect to record clips.
2. Everyone will get the benefits from the SDK update. People won't have to disconnect their Kinect. The SDK update will mainly be for games that don't make use of (kinect) motion control.
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Same reason why people picked the PS2 after knowing the Xbox had better multiplats; Exclusive games and/or system features.
The extra processing is cut off at the game level, regardless of whether the Kinect is connected. If Bungie doesn't want Kinect features they can stop the processing of the depth maps and such, which was always on for games without the June SDK. Also, voice commands are unaffected by the June SDK as well. Devs can't cut that off.
Technical comparisons between multiplatform games on PS2 and their graphical upgrades on GCN and Xbox were absolutely discussed a TON. Xbox fans for 2 generations were able to hold multiplatform performance over the heads of the other consoles. I used to be one of them.
So if I want my games to be in full HD it's not, in fact, because of how much better that looks on my 50 inch telly, but rather it's because I'm part of your nebulous "internet" collective playing an endless round of console wars?
Spare me the bullshit please.
ffs, the framerate picking I and others did on the first few pages of this thread could probably be seen as annoying I don't doubt, but in all honesty the Microsoft fans playing martyr in response has long since drowned that out as far as I can see.
ethomaz
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To be fair both lacks exclusives... no game changer yet... and by number they have the same with PS4 ahead with exclusives digital games.
DR3 and Forza at launch were what convinced me. I'll be getting a PS4 next year when some bigger exclusive stuff hits.
SniperHunter
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Neogaf was worse because it wasnt as big and there werent that many admins here. Anyone remember cockles? That guy used to troll ps2 24/7
And the bad news just coming...doa4, halo at launch, wreckless, doom 3, half life 2, riddick, re4. The only thing sony fans had were the games. But the gifs, comparisons, thr trolling were way worse then.
constantstatic
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Same here especially because I have a gaming PC for multi-platform games. But I'll be picking up a ps4 before bloodbourne drops early next year.
Heh, makes sense now that you've explained it. Less admins, gaming was more "hardcore" back then, etc.
Wouldn't worry about this at all. The game should sell better than many of the current multiplats on the Xbox One (that already have pretty big userbases).
ethomaz
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DR3 is really great... it is the only exclusive game I wanted to play in XB1.
But it is not this big exclusive everybody here like to say... neither console have a Gears or Uncharted yet.
All I see are fun but average exclusives limited to a niche user base in both consoles.
Native display IQ is important. Scoffing at it and making hive mind comments doesn't change that and is a really dumb comment to be honest.
The Destiny alpha had some pretty nice IQ and I'm glad they decided to go for 1080p for the XB1 version as well.
DeadManWalking
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wow amazon really have their shit together. Received code in seconds.(whit card that is no longer valid)
manfestival
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It was the same thing last gen and kinda died off later on. I expect the same thing to happen here
If the majority of people didn't care about the performance difference it was because the PS2 was out a year before those two other consoles and had established itself as the market leader with an impressive catalog. Also I can guarantee you people have argued over performance differences between the various platforms since the beginning of this industry.
Well then, would you mind telling us how big the gap is?
Shin-Ra
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First I've heard of this.
It's so big that we need articles from Digital Foundry telling us the difference.
It's so big that people zoom in on power lines in the distance to rofl at the "jaggies".
It's so big that....wait a second, if I have to actually read an article, and look at cherry picked pictures to tell the difference, it just isn't that big.... at least to me. I do think a lot of it has to do with diminishing returns.
The PS4 is more powerful than the X1, no doubt, but that doesn't translate to huge differences on screen. I mean hell, the Xbox 360 and PS3 still look decently good, even though they are less than 1/4 the power of X1 and PS4.
But it does translate to huge differences on screen? Differences in resolution and performance with missing or reduced graphical effects have all been present in multiplatform games released so far.
Caayn
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Oh wow, talking about taking a posts out its context. I never said that 1080p isn't important, and you'll never hear me say that. If you'll read the post that I responded to you'll see that I agreed with him.
1080p isn't worth it(imo) if that means that lots of other effects gets sacrificed, worse performance etc. You're not going to make me believe that there aren't plenty of folks out there that think that 1080p is the only thing that matters, which are the ones that my posts was aimed at. No need to feel attacked because I don't see things the same as you do.
Of course people are free to have there own preferences, I respect that and I don't want to try to change that.
I'd like to meet these gamers that think 1080p is the most important thing and are willing to sacrifice framerate stability and screen tearing to make it happen.
You read that from an article right? To me, I can't see those differences when I'm playing the game, I have 20/20 vision but I am color blind. Now, maybe if I paused the game and studied it, I could see the difference, but why would I even do that.
I like crushed blacks, I don't like washed out colors. I'm the person that felt that BF4 actually looked better on X1 when first looking at the comparison videos, and actually, so did most people on the first 3 pages on neogaf, until the detectives started pointing out how the PS4 looks better.
All I'm saying is, if somebody has to tell me one version is better than the other, then I don't care enough.
Caayn
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Just look at any of the threads that appeared a while ago with people screaming when a game wasn't running in 1080p.
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