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Tom and Jerry: Are we all in agreement that Jerry was the bad guy?

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Replicant

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As for Road Runner vs Will E Coyote, I don't dislike Road Runner but I do feel sorry for Coyote mostly because he's so inventive and I wish he can just get a hold on that smug "beep-beep" for once.

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Dawg

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Had a similar feeling with a show called Oggy and the Cockroaches.

Them scumbag roaches, man. Felt so bad for Oggy.
 
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Crocodile

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It would have been ok if it was like 50/50 between Tom and Jerry being victorious but that fact that Jerry won 95+% of the time and at least half those times or more it was Jerry starting shit, it was hard to not root for Tom. The discrepancy made the shorts hard to watch from time to time.
 
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Ryck

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So awesome seeing all the love for Tom. I agree with everyone Jerry was a prick and I constantly rooted for him to get his.
 
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Watch Da Birdie

I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
I have the same feeling towards Daffy Duck whenever he went up against Bugs, Wile Coyote, and Dwight from the Office.

Here's the full episode

I remember this episode very well. Didn't know this was their last episode though.
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It wasn't.

They had those weird ones outsourced to like South America, such as Dicky Moe.
 
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Winterfang

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Tom is the most likeable character. I love his evil laugh and the way he screams when he gets hit "OOOU OOOU WOOT WOOHOO HOOHOO!!"
 
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The Silver

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BertramCooper said:
Cartoon cats always seem to get a raw deal.

They're either the villain or the victims of sexual assault by Pepe Le Pew.
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Cat from CatDog always got a raw deal too, Dog always doing stupid shit with no consequences while Cat takes the full brunt and is constantly beaten up and bullied.


that show almost made me dislike dogs and become a cat person.
 
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MagicWithEarvin

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Weird, I was just thinking about this show the other day. I was wondering what it would be like to have a series to where the "good guy" always loses, like a brutal version of it lol.
 
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Dai101

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Watch Da Birdie said:
They had those weird ones outsourced to like South America, such as Dicky Moe.
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I bet you mean this ones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n54DXlb58qA

Those were made after MGM closed the animation studio in 1957, in 1960 MGM revived the franchise and contacted Gene Deitch to continue:

n 1960, MGM revived the Tom and Jerry franchise, and contacted European animation studio Rembrandt Films to produce thirteen Tom and Jerry shorts overseas.[10][11][12][13] All thirteen shorts were directed by Gene Deitch and produced by William L. Snyder in Prague, Czechoslovakia.[10][13] Štěpán Koníček, a student of Karel Ančerl and conductor of the Prague Film Symphony Orchestra, and Václav Lídl provided the musical score for the Deitch shorts, while Larz Bourne, Chris Jenkyns, and Eli Bauer wrote the cartoons. The majority of vocal effects and voices in Deitch's films were provided by Allen Swift.[14]

Deitch states that, being an animator for the United Productions of America (UPA), he has always had a personal dislike of Tom and Jerry, citing them as the "primary bad example of senseless violence – humor based on pain – attack and revenge – to say nothing of the tasteless use of a headless black woman stereotype house servant."[15]

For the purposes of avoiding being linked to Communism, Deitch altered the names for his crew in the opening credits of the shorts (e.g., Štěpán Koníček became "Steven Konichek", Václav Lídl became "Victor Little").[15] These shorts are among the few Tom and Jerry cartoons not to carry the "Made In Hollywood, U.S.A." phrase on the end title card.[15] Due to Deitch's studio being behind the Iron Curtain, the production studio's location is omitted entirely on it.[15] After the thirteen shorts were completed, Joe Vogel, the head of production, was fired from MGM. Vogel had approved of Deitch and his team's work, but MGM decided not to renew their contract after Vogel was fired.[15] The final of the thirteen shorts, Carmen Get It!, was released on December 1, 1962.[11]
Tom pokes Jerry with his barbecue fork in High Steaks (1961), a Gene Deitch short.

Since the Deitch/Snyder team had seen only a handful of the original Tom and Jerry shorts, and since the team produced their cartoons on a tighter budget of $10,000, the resulting films were considered unusual, and, in many ways, bizarre.[11][15] The characters' gestures were often performed at high speed, frequently causing heavy motion blur and making the animation look choppy and sickly. The soundtracks featured sparse and echoic electronic music, futuristic sound effects, heavy reverb, and dialogue that was mumbled rather than spoken.

Fans that typically rooted for Tom criticized Deitch's cartoons for never having Tom become a threat to Jerry, mainly due to the constant intervention of his replacement owner – a corpulent, grumpy middle-aged white man whom was also more graphically brutal in punishing Tom's mistakes as compared to Mammy Two-Shoes, by beating and thrashing Tom repeatedly, searing his face with a grill, and forcing Tom to drink an entire carbonated beverage. Despite their large lack of popularity, the Gene Deitch Tom and Jerry cartoons are still rerun today on the Cartoon Network and Boomerang channels on a semi-regular basis.[15]

Deitch's Tom and Jerry shorts have seen limited release outside of Europe and Asia. All thirteen shorts are currently available in Japan, where they have been ported to the Tom and Jerry & Droopy laserdisc and VHS, and the United Kingdom, where the shorts are available on the second side of the Tom and Jerry Classic Collection: Volume 5 DVD. The only three shorts to have seen DVD release in the United States are The Tom and Jerry Cartoon Kit, Down and Outing, and Carmen Get It!, where they are included on the Paws for a Holiday VHS and DVD,[16] Summer Holidays DVD, and Musical Mayhem DVD, respectively.

All thirteen shorts were commercial successes; in 1961, the Tom and Jerry series became the highest-grossing animated short film series of that time, dethroning Looney Tunes which had held the position for sixteen years; this success was repeated once more in 1962.[13] However, unlike the Hanna and Barbera shorts, none of Deitch's films were nominated for nor did they win an Academy Award.[13] The episodes created by Deitch have generally been less favorably received by audiences. In his review for Tom and Jerry: The Chuck Jones Collection, Paul Kupperberg of Comicmix called the shorts "perfectly dreadful" and "too often released", as well as a result of "cheap labor".[17] Deitch has frequently defended his films; in an interview with the New York Times, when asked about working on the Tom and Jerry series, Deitch responded "All the experts say [my shorts are] the worst of the 'Tom and Jerry', [...] I was a UPA man – my whole background was much closer to the Czechs. 'Tom and Jerry' I always considered dreck, but they had great timing, facial expressions, double takes, squash and stretch," all of which the interviewer stated were "techniques the Czechs had to learn," adding, "The Czech style had nothing in common with these gag-driven cartoons."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_and_Jerry#Gene_Deitch_era_.281961.E2.80.931962.29
 
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I just loved episodes where both end up happy. When Jerry goes to the city and comes back running and kisses Tom? Beautiful. I felt sorry for Tom sometimes, but I also didn't want Jerry to die. And he did seem to be a hygenic mouse so they shouldn't kill him just for stealing a bit of food.

Man I loved my childhood.
 
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ThLunarian

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Tom should've called in some favors and gotten someone like Bugs Bunny or Foghorn Leghorn to come in and show that damned mouse what's what.
 
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MIMIC

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SOMETIMES (but probably most of the time, lol)

Remember the times when he's trying to protect people? (like that baby woodpecker, the duckling, the lion that escaped from the circus, etc.)
 
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Ganzlinger

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Nah... you guys are forgetting that Tom always wanted to kill him or eat him alive.

#TeamJerry

Though, I always rooted for Coyote... lol

Juan29.zapata said:
I just loved episodes where both end up happy. When Jerry goes to the city and comes back running and kisses Tom? Beautiful. I felt sorry for Tom sometimes, but I also didn't want Jerry to die. And he did seem to be a hygenic mouse so they shouldn't kill him just for stealing a bit of food.
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This.
 
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NotLiquid said:
Does anyone remember that episode that was a parody of the Musketeers which ended with Tom getting killed/beheaded for failing his job in defending the house and Jerry and that other fuck just go "lol whatever we got food"

That episode fucked me over so bad and traumatized me
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It got dark quickly for sure. I don't think I actually understood what had happened at first, too young when I first watched it.
 
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googleplex

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People need to stop talking shot about Chuck Jones Tom and Jerry. The surfing episode and Dual episode were two of my favorite T&J cartoons.
 
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Killua

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You guys are twisted. Jerry awesome. Tom's a little prick that deserves all the shit he's gotten over the years. Fucking cat.

Also, Road Runner's the best. Screw Wiley Coyote.
 
daninthemix

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The weird thing is as a kid I never questioned it - I simply accepted that Tom was the bad guy because the show framed it that way. Now I see things different.
 
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