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[SmokyDave]

SmokyDave likes The Last of Us and Monument Valley. Dude is good people in my book.

High five, my man

Honestly, if you list TLOU as the best or most important game, you really owe it to yourself to play more games

I'm so tempted to stoop to this level and say 'I'm almost certain I've played more games than you'. Because I am. But that would be childish. Which I am. So I'm gonna say it.

I bet I've played more games than you.

I'm generally being coy, but I do have to wonder what you actually think of everything that's come before if something like TLOU is considered your "Games V1.0." Your perspective is curious, is all.

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Dude, I don't know a milestone until I pass it. I wasn't waiting for TLoU. At least, not consciously.

I do see what you're saying though, and I can dig why you see things that way.


Anyway, with that I gotta dash. This game doesn't need any more fellating, nor does it need defending. Ironically, I'm playing the remastered version as we speak. Time to free myself from this fucking fridge snare.

 

[Marcel]

I think Pong or Super Mario Bros. would, but maybe I'm putting too much faith.

I don't have faith in the voting majority's selective memory or media history knowledge, if it isn't immediately obvious.

 

[crazy monkey]

come on everyone loves last of us but really , really. some of the game on that list were revolutionary and much more important to gaming history and were amazing games that stood test of time. anyways #2 is number of mine.

 

[MYeager]

I know these lists are completely subjective and I try not to hate too much on what the author wrote...

But what the fuck is the first Call of Juarez game doing on there, much less at #54?

 

[Raptor]

Eh, I wouldn't call Half Life 2 garbage or bad. Its a good game now, it was excellent back in 2004.

Game had good gore I guess.

 

[Hoje0308]

And this isn't a difficulty most people will ever experience, and it still clashes with the main idea since simply leaving the area would be the most reasonable choice by far. The portions where Joel is helping Ellie because she can't swim are where I see far more direct connections of a person helping someone as a result of caring for them and making sure they are safe. Bringing them into a giant square death yard does not strike me as a reasonable decision - either from a pre-Joel not giving a shit or post-Joel who does care for Ellie. You would still logically choose to not engage unless you have to, to disengage to areas where combat is less likely. But the game's built around its combat, combat is intentional and necessary.

This is just becoming another dumb The Last of Us thread. *sigh* Double-binds everywhere.

Which areas were they supposed to leave? Because they always tried to stay out of harm's way. Be specific next time, so someone can address this issue you seem to have.

Game had good gore I guess.

Ha! You're a good guy, Raptor!

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Super Mario Galaxy 2: 97.
Chrono Trigger: 76.
The Last of Us: 1.

Yeah, this is a terrible list.

 

[antitrop]

I know these lists are completely subjective and I try not to hate too much on what the author wrote...

But what the fuck is the first Call of Juarez game doing on there, much less at #54?

It was actually done by reader vote.

Still doesn't explain Call of Juarez. In fact, only makes it more curious.

 

[Uno Venova]

Empire is a shit Famitsu-tier rag so it's pretty easy not to take the GameFAQs poll they held seriously.

Which makes it all the more hilarious people take such offense at the positions.

 

[FloweryMarston]

Im just glad that HL2 ain't close to No. 1 in that list.

Game is pure garbage.

why?

 

[BGBW]

No Katamari? No DDR? Did they even double check to see if the voters have played a game in their life? I crying buckets of tears.

 

[Markitron]

I'm pretty sure TLOU would win a GAF GOAT popularity poll handily, if it hasn't already.

I made that point earlier and a bunch of juniors accused me of being mad, despite the fact that I had said numerous times that TLOU wasn't my no.1

My GOAT was no. 43 but I can totally see why TLOU is gonna top a poll. I would like to see how it stacks up against the big hitters in 5-10 years time. imo its in the same league as Half Life 2, Ocarina of Time et al

High five, my man


I'm so tempted to stoop to this level and say 'I'm almost certain I've played more games than you'. Because I am. But that would be childish. Which I am. So I'm gonna say it.

I bet I've played more games than you.


Dude, I don't know a milestone until I pass it. I wasn't waiting for TLoU. At least, not consciously.

I do see what you're saying though, and I can dig why you see things that way.


Anyway, with that I gotta dash. This game doesn't need any more fellating, nor does it need defending. Ironically, I'm playing the remastered version as we speak. Time to free myself from this fucking fridge snare.

I agree with all of this

 

[NIGHT-]

High five, my man


I'm so tempted to stoop to this level and say 'I'm almost certain I've played more games than you'. Because I am. But that would be childish. Which I am. So I'm gonna say it.

I bet I've played more games than you.


Dude, I don't know a milestone until I pass it. I wasn't waiting for TLoU. At least, not consciously.

I do see what you're saying though, and I can dig why you see things that way.


Anyway, with that I gotta dash. This game doesn't need any more fellating, nor does it need defending. Ironically, I'm playing the remastered version as we speak. Time to free myself from this fucking fridge snare.

And I'm willing to bet you haven't.. Games existed before 2004, people! Oh well, guess we all have our opinions, I respect TLOU for what it is, but it's not some ground breaking end all to games, it's just a good game, nothing more.

 

[Stallion Dan]

My faith in gamers fails me again.

 

[playXray]

No-one's ever going to write a top 100 list that I agree with 100% but that's as close as I've seen any list get. Good job Empire readers.

 

[SmokyDave]

Ah, shit. One last thing. TLoU manages to have good female, black, and gay characters. All in one game. That's pretty importa ....um, pretty.... significant for a video game.

And I'm willing to bet you haven't.. Games existed before 2004, people! Oh well, guess we all have our opinions, I respect TLOU for what it is, but it's not some ground breaking end all to games, it's just a good game, nothing more.

I'd been playing games for twenty years by 2004.

 

[Marcel]

Which makes it all the more hilarious people take such offense at the positions.

Oh I have a laugh at that too. It's even funnier when SmokyDave and others use the poll as clout. You might as well have Mad Magazine or Guns & Ammo (antitrop, control yourself) make make the poll if it doesn't matter.

Ah, shit. One last thing. TLoU manages to have good female, black, and gay characters. All in one game. That's pretty importa ....um, pretty.... significant for a video game.


I'd been playing games for twenty years by 2004.

Gay and transgender person here. The checking of the minority boxes doesn't really do anything transcendent for TLOU. Thanks for trying though.

 

[Hoje0308]

I know these lists are completely subjective and I try not to hate too much on what the author wrote...

But what the fuck is the first Call of Juarez game doing on there, much less at #54?

Yikes, did not notice that.

I made that point earlier and a bunch of juniors accused me of being mad, despite the fact that I had said numerous times that TLOU wasn't my no.1

My GOAT was no. 43 but I can totally see why TLOU is gonna top a poll. I would like to see how it stacks up against the big hitters in 5-10 years time. imo its in the same league as Half Life 2, Ocarina of Time et al

Yeah, for me it was an experience like no other, but I'll wait a few more years until I start placing it on any personal lists. It's definitely my game of the generation, but my childhood still wants OoT at the top of the all time list.

 

[Verendus]

Ocarina of Time was a revelation at the time. All that brownness and horseness. It was so amazing. I broke down in tears when I finished playing it. It moved me on an emotional level like no other game. The design of the game was so good, I basically stopped playing games for about 5 years because I thought nothing else could come close.

 

[88random]

With lists like these they will just create unnecessary hate for TLOU... But it is in my top 5 games ever. Chrono Trigger is way to low and I can't believe FF VI isn't even on the list.

 

[Nista]

This list is silly, and I've played games before 2004. Last of Us may be a good cinematic experience but best gameplay of all time? Nah, son.

And RDR > GTAV for sure. Even the multiplayer was more stable.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Uncharted 3 above Chrono Trigger /DEAD

 

[Serdley]

Mega Man 2, Mega Man X, Donkey Kong Country 2, Super Mario Bros 3????

Well at least they got the correct order for Batman Arkham and Metal Gear Solid series...

 

[Yoshichan]

Is Starcraft in it?

 

[Polioliolio]

Wow.. brand new game is number one and heavily nostalgic game from possibly the worst aged game system is number two.

 

[Raptor]

why?

Game is a flying camera simulator that doesn't even have a voice, it may give the impression of choice by the way its encounters are designed but in reality is very linear, gunplay is nothing to write home about in fact I can think 5 games rigth now with better gunplay than it, story is the regular occupied city that needs to be liberated in other words boring, characters other than the main "camera" are nothing extraordinary nor groundbreaking, they just voice their parts decent enough to not be called pure trash by the media of that time, game has terrible checkpoints and terrible way of comunicating to the player what to do in some areas, I can't say shit about the main "camera" because it doesn't have a fucking voice.

Like I said, at least it has good gore.

 

[jblank83]

Final Fantasy VIII?
Greatest of all time?

RPG genre from 1981 to 2014 crying in a corner.

 

[krYlon]

Is Starcraft in it?

Yes. 68

 

[Verendus]

Really, how can you be considered as one of the best games of all the times if you weren't released before the 00s? How does that make sense?

Super Mario Bros. is a much better game than Devil May Cry 3 for example. SMB has great game design, controls, influenced every single other game that ever came out, and featured a realistic character that you could relate to.

DMC3 is like a child's action fantasy, but the child is stupider than a normal child, so he ends up imagining some young white guy with white hair and a sword he wouldn't really be able to handle.

If he was a normal child, he'd imagine something like Legend of Zelda. Zelda was a real hero.

 

[Markitron]

With lists like these they will just create unnecessary hate for TLOU... But it is in my top 5 games ever. Chrono Trigger is way to low and I can't believe FF VI isn't even on the list.

This has been explained on the thread, but tbf I imagine it would be buried in the posts at this point. Empire has a global fanbase but is a British magazine/website, and FFVI was not released over here until the PS1 compilation IIRC. Most Europeans never got to play it.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Just looked at list...honest question when did Call of Juarez get popular?

 

[Timeaisis]

You classify it as a very good game, yet you can name 100 other games that are better? Ok go.

Take the top 99 games. Subtract Heavy Rain. Add Fallout: New Vegas and SMB3. Boom.

Opinions are fun, huh?

 

[antitrop]

Uncharted 3 above Chrono Trigger /DEAD

Chrono Trigger is the best game ever made.

But someone explained earlier that it wasn't readily available in the UK until the DS version.

 

[Marcel]

Final Fantasy VIII?
Greatest of all time?

RPG genre from 1981 to 2014 crying in a corner.

A game from 2014 is greater than the entire history of games, including the ones that allowed that game to exist. Welcome to a reader popularity poll.

 

[Verendus]

The only game better than Ocarina of Time was Pong. Because that was just all gameplay. Just stripped down to the basic fundamental of game design and gameplay and it all just merges together in a beautiful symphony. Nothing better.

 

[MYeager]

It was actually done by reader vote.

Still doesn't explain Call of Juarez. In fact, only makes it more curious.

Maybe people are using it as interchangeable for any of the CoJ games? Gunslinger is the best of the bunch and though I loved it I still wouldn't but it on a best of all time list.

 

[antitrop]

The only game better than Ocarina of Time was Pong. Because that was just all gameplay. Just stripped down to the basic fundamental of game design and gameplay and it all just merges together in a beautiful symphony. Nothing better.

Pong is lame in single player. I like Breakout better.

 

[Marcel]

The only game better than Ocarina of Time was Pong. Because that was just all gameplay. Just stripped down to the basic fundamental of game design and gameplay and it all just merges together in a beautiful symphony. Nothing better.

Haunted House had a better story than Pong.

 

[MiamiWesker]

You're expecting a modern game to have the same effect on pop culture as those that existed at a time when the medium was niche? You're stacking the odds in a way that makes it easier for you to win an argument you've set up in your own favor. I could say that TLoU has won more GOTY awards than DOOM or Super Mario and that would probably be true, but only because the popularity of this hobby has led to there being more publications in existence to give out such accolades. Like yours, it's an unfair comparison, just not as hyperbolic.
And again, the entire notion of what's important is subjective to you. You say many games gave you similar feelings. That's fine, but I never had that. Even as a kid, I thought the story of MGS was overly dramatic, childish trash. It's one of my favorites of all time, but the story, like most others was passable, at best. But that's just my experience and I don't claim that MGS wasn't important just because I didn't share the more popular view. The importance of TLoU is predicated upon the fact that many people seem to have had a similar experience to the one I had in that they felt it was the first time the medium really came together and used traditional and interactive techniques to tell a great story in a way that (for us) had never been done before.

I don't get what you are saying, why would something that is niche make it easier to be a cultural phenomenon?

I would argue that right now minecraft is by far and away the biggest cultural and popular hit in gaming right now. That game is in the hands of kids everywhere. Would argue that right now minecraft is a more important game than TLOU using that definition. (It's probably more important to game design as well as it will get many clones. By no means do I think minecraft is a better game I am just talking about importance here.)

I was not trying to put anything in my favor, I just view "importance" as being those two categories I mentioned before and I personally don't feel TLOU fits either.

As for your feelings on playing TLOU that's great. Just like many people agree with you on that feeling of a new kind of experience I am sure many people agree with me or any other of people. There are groups of people that had that experience for X many games and they can all be argued as being important for that same reason you are arguing TLOU is important. That seems to be a personal reason, not a game design/mechanics reason, just cause you or I feel that way about a certain game doesn't mean that game is important to the evolution of gaming as a whole.

 

[Markitron]

Chrono Trigger is the best game ever made.

But someone explained earlier that it wasn't readily available in the UK until the DS version.

A lot of people on GAF forget that until the last gen (wii/360/ps3) Europe was an afterthought. Now it's the 2nd biggest market.

PANDER TO ME

 

[EmpReb]

Super Mario Galaxy 2: 97.
Chrono Trigger: 76.
The Last of Us: 1.

Yeah, this is a terrible list.

IMO Metroid Prime is above The Last Of Us in what it did for First Person Immersion that is still not equaled to this day. Its been called Gaming Citizen Kane for good reasons long before The Last of Us. This list is shit.

 

[Cyrano]

Wait, why would they just leave? The whole point is that he's trying to get Ellie from A to B, with the knowledge that obstacles and dangers will be met along the way. The point isn't to give up the mission just because they come across some of them, the mission means more than that, and it's not like it's Joel's only rodeo with dangerous situations and tasks. He's been there, done it and lived it already.

Because leaving an area is a lot safer than engaging with a lot of hostiles? It's not as if the game is presented as there only being one way. Heck, there are even places in the game with huge open areas where virtually nothing is occurring. I don't see how it's unreasonable, unless someone is captured, to find a different route with less threats. No matter how gung-ho you are, in a world without movie bullets™, you're not going to last long if your solution is to fight, especially in enclosed spaces where you are greatly outnumbered.

I'm ok with ridiculous things happening in games presenting alternate histories, but there is a point where it turns to absurdity or the more typical excuse of, "it's a videogame, you fight dudes in videogames."

 

[TEH-CJ]

Damn right TLOU should be number 1.

 

[CyclopsRock]

I think it's an excellent list!

 

[NIGHT-]

Silent hill 2 and re4 are way too low . Would personally have them both in my top 10

 

[Marcel]

IMO Metroid Prime is above The Last Of Us in what it did for First Person Immersion that is still not equaled to this day. Its been called Gaming Citizen Kane for good reasons long before The Last of Us. This list is shit.

It was called gaming's Citizen Kane for stupid reasons and that descriptor was roundly laughed at. It is a great and important game on its own merit and doesn't need to be compared to a movie.

 

[jman2050]

Dude, I don't know a milestone until I pass it. I wasn't waiting for TLoU. At least, not consciously.

It just seems so... small and insignificant in scope when looked upon in that context.

You want to know what I consider to be "milestones" in gaming? When the internet came into popular usage and redefined how people communicate with each other and allowed people to easily play games with each other despite being separated by distance. When video games were first created and for the first time game systems could be codified for, represented to and manipulated by the player with nothing more than a general purpose input/output device. When innovations in long-distance travel and the spread of information made the formation of sports leagues viable. When mathematical theory and by extension game theory became a subject of study and subsequently became the formal basis for every single game system ever designed from that point.

I don't mean to sound grandiose but that's just the scope of how I view things. Attempts to emulate conventions from other mediums like film or theater or books or otherwise don't really factor into it at all from my view. TLOU, like everything else on the list, is just a game, one that a lot of people like and a lot of people dislike.

 

[Steel]

The Godfather didn't shaped anything either and is considered the greatest movie ever made by some.

TLOU:R is important in that it shows what developers can do when they put effort in ALL aspects of a game, great characters, best gunplay of its class, great story, 1080p, 60fps, great art direction, great performances by the voice actors, great animations, great GORE,"

.... Ok I'm going to ignore a lot of other points here, some of which I actually agree with.

Let me get this straight: You're trying to say that the Last of Us has the best gunplay out of all TPS's? You're kidding right? Tell me you're joking?

I liked the multiplayer, but the actual gunplay can't be described as anything other than mediocre.

 

[FloweryMarston]

Game is a flying camera simulator that doesn't even have a voice, it may give the impression of choice by the way its encounters are designed but in reality is very linear, gunplay is nothing to write home about in fact I can think 5 games rigth now with better gunplay than it, story is the regular occupied city that needs to be liberated in other words boring, characters other than the main "camera" are nothing extraordinary nor groundbreaking, they just voice their parts decent enough to not be called pure trash by the media of that time, game has terrible checkpoints and terrible way of comunicating to the player what to do in some areas, I can't say shit about the main "camera" because it doesn't have a fucking voice.

Like I said, at least it has good gore.

So you don't like that gordon freeman has no voice.

EDIT: raptor, i think that your hate for half life 2 is completely unjustifiable. I think that The last of us is very similar in some ways to half life 2. Which surprises me a lot considering you love the last of us.

Also, i thought about this thread today, and i don't think i could ever say what my favorite game of all time is. I mean, sometimes during the month I may be in a western vibe, so Red Dead would take the cake, but i could easily get into horror, and choose resident evil Remake. Jesus, i have trouble choosing the best game from a company that i like lol

 

[Hoje0308]

Game is a flying camera simulator that doesn't even have a voice, it may give the impression of choice by the way its encounters are designed but in reality is very linear, gunplay is nothing to write home about in fact I can think 5 games rigth now with better gunplay than it, story is the regular occupied city that needs to be liberated in other words boring, characters other than the main "camera" are nothing extraordinary nor groundbreaking, they just voice their parts decent enough to not be called pure trash by the media of that time, game has terrible checkpoints and terrible way of comunicating to the player what to do in some areas, I can't say shit about the main "camera" because it doesn't have a fucking voice.

Like I said, at least it has good gore.