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Empire Magazine's Greatest 100 games of all time [Reader Voted]
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Acquiescence
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I bought Empire for years and loved it - great magazine. I was actually very interested in reading the results of this poll by its readership. The fact that they voted Shenmue, Final Fantasy VII, GTA V, TLoU and Red Dead Redemption all into the top ten signifies to me that they've got a semblance of good taste.
There's "striking a chord" in the reasonable sense, such as TLoU winning a "Greatest 100 games of all time" poll, and then there's "striking a chord" in the petulant sense, such as throwing a hissy fit that a critically-acclaimed title that has resonated with a wide audience in the span of a mere year made it to the top spot. You don't have to agree with it winning, but it's not like it's a particularly odd choice to win.
I can't possibly understand how The Last of Us has mediocre gunplay. In fact, the gunplay in TLoU is what I consider to be Naughty Dog's greatest improvement over the Uncharted series.
pantsonhead
Member
I get that any "Top [#] ______" list is going to be mad subjective, but I disagreed with either the placement or even just what they put on the list for at least most of these. Useless from my point of view, I certainly hope other people got more out of it.
Yes, TLOU has teh best gunplay in any third person shooter to this day, nothing comes close, well maybe Gears games come close but still don't reach the feedback TLOU gunplay gives.
It has incredible hit detection, incredible sound hits, incredible gore, incredible controller feedback, you can feel the damn kills, unmatched headshots.
I don't know what else I can say.
Of course it does; I've seen plenty of these lists where recent flavour-of-the-month games go at the top and then are nowhere to be seen on the next similar list (or much lower down than their initial placement despite the list not being overly different). I don't doubt that TLOU will rightfully be pretty high on future lists of this sort for the time being, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was somewhat lower down in a few years, and not necessarily because a bunch of superior games have come out.
While there have been plenty of changes to games over the years that can be reasonably argued to be objective improvements a lot of "good design" is related to in-vogue trends and nothing more. Hell, prior to the Souls games and certain Indie games making it fashionable again there was a short period where ever putting the player out of their element was regarded as objectively bad design (I remember this because I fucking hated it), then those games came along and took off and people suddenly started realising again that maybe always bending over to the player's whims didn't lead to objectively better games. There have been various other periods too where things regarded as "the future" fell out of favour soon after; remember when FMV games were a thing? *insert obligatory "yeah, now" troll here*
dragonbane
Member
Yeah Heavy Rain certainly needs to be higher, like in the Top 50 from my standpoint.
No, it isn't. It's pretty good though.
I think you're laying the joke a little too thick.
Acquiescence
Member
It doesn't. The combat/stealth in TLoU is fucking electric.
infiniteheteroskdasticity
Member
Its a decent list. I'd probably have Morrowind ahead of The Last Of Us but that's about it. TLOU is a worth GOAT.
Punished_Snake
Member
I love Shenmue but this list is wrong on so many levels. The Last of Us is really overrated and over praised and I can't believe anybody who has been playing for 10 years at least could consider TLOU to be the best game he/she ever played.
What's really sad about this all is, what happens in 10 years when no one cares about Zelda or Mario or Metroid, and Nintendo is even more irrelevant than they are today (or buried somewhere in the Pacific)? When Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto and Space Dandy 3 are in the top ten lists and people forget these precious gems of our childhoods?
What happens to all the times we spent in our times?
Leave. Good bye, good sir.
What happens to all the times we spent in our times?
Well if this is how you're going to respond to someone speaking from their heart with sincerity, I know what I need to do.
Leave. Good bye, good sir.
And suddenly things become much clearer.
Freeman
Banned
I hope that next time I can muster up the fortitude to remain away from this sort of thread.
This sort of opinion should get you on an FBI watch list, straight up mad.
Ganondorfo
Junior Member
How come Final Fantasy Tactics is not on that list, it is the best in that genre, Empire should have mentionned that game, just because what it did for the srpg genre.
Super Stardust
Member
No Mario galaxy? -_-
It has the best gunplay and/or combat of any third person shooter out there imo. The sense of weight, impact, ferocity, gore, sound effects, animations etc are all unmatched. Mixed together with highly competent stealth combat, melee combat, mixture of weapon types, intelligent scenario and level design, variety of enemy types that mix up gameplay, enemy AI, and the survival esque, dynamic real time crafting and upgrade system, it just works so damn well.
#71 and #97.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
lukeskymac
Member
Welp, at least Homeworld made it to the list.
A popularity poll narrow on the subject of important but maybe not as widely popular anymore Japanese games? I don't believe it!
My point is that it's easier for something to have an impact on society at large when it's unexpected. FFVII was an example of a niche genre (In the West) of a niche form of entertainment crossing over into the mainstream. As big as games have become, it seems like it would be hard for a title to come along and do the same thing because so many people are already gamers and a lot of us have been doing it long enough to be a little cynical and to have developed attachments to other titles that came along earlier in life. I didn't explain myself well, so I can see how it seemed like an odd statement.
I get what you're saying about importance now though. I'm just not sure I agree that it's a necessary factor for judging the merit of a title. As you said, Minecraft fits the bill, but is it really a great game? What about Angry Birds, or Farmville? Those games generate more money than most traditional forms of entertainment could ever dream of, yet you'd be hard pressed to find them on any "Best of" lists.
Your last paragraph seems to echo my one, if you go back and read it again. I did say that myself and many others had that experience with TLoU, but also acknowledged the fact that other people had a similar experience with other games. I also went out of my way to say that I didn't think there was anything wrong with that.
Anywho, we've been going on long enough here. Agree to disagree.
Actually, yes it can. That's the beauty of opinions. Now stop trying to act as if your are based on fact.
Level design is great, except for in the last major mission.
The one with the corridors and military soldiers. It's pretty much two areas with boring surroundings, made worse with the fact that you get the Assault Rifle with plenty of ammo, which made that chapter incredible easy. It's like they ran out of time there at the end.
Empire suckles from the teat of the movie industry in an absolutely eye-roll worthy way. At least Vanity Fair tries to speak truth to power sometimes. Empire is happy getting fed under the table and asks for seconds.
It's right up there with Resident Evil 4 and Vanquish.
Gamerblood
Banned
I've been gaming over 30 years Tlou is one of my favorite games ever.
It's right up there with Resident Evil 4 and Vanquish.
Resident Evil 4 yes
Vanquish hell no.
Mikami knew what he was doing with both games. Vanquish is insanely awesome.
Yea, though I've heard it's a bitch in Grounded. My cousin told me he essentially had to stealth the whole segment.
It's right up there with Resident Evil 4 and Vanquish.
You lost me at Vanquish. I felt like I was firing Nerf bullets in that game.
You can do it in like three minutes if you path it right. Super easy.
nkarafo
Member
Also, this game BEGGED for 60fps.
More like fuck yes. Vanquish's gunplay is amazing. That's kinda the point of the game.
Fancy Clown
Member
This list is kinda fucked up...
Bioshock above Half-Life 2? That's nonsense right there
Resident Evil 4 at 27 and below things like Batman Arkham City...Gotta stop this is making me irrationally angry.
Bioshock above Half-Life 2? That's nonsense right there
Resident Evil 4 at 27 and below things like Batman Arkham City...Gotta stop this is making me irrationally angry.
Punished_Snake
Member
One of your favorites, but not your favorite or the best game you have ever played, right?
TheKastorian
Member
Well, at least for me, The Last Of Us is indeed in the number #1 spot.
Markitron
Is currently staging a hunger strike outside Gearbox HQ while trying to hate them to death
Traversal would have been beautiful at 60.
And that's why I don't understand why people get so mad about these lthings. We all have our favorites, this list is jsut a compilation of personal opinion.
Uno Venova
Banned
:shrug: I surely enjoyed it 10 times more than HL2.
Ganondorfo
Junior Member
So Resident Evil 4 was also overrated back then? Because from 2005-2006 everyone was naming Resident Evil 4 best game ever, it was on any top 100 of all time list as number 1 or 2.
Look at Resident Evil 4 now, nobody is talking a lot about it anymore since that era, the same will happen with Last of Us, it will always be remembered as a masterpiece, but after some years, you wont hear that much talk about it, that's normal, because then its time for another video game to get its spotlight.
See Anti?
Some of us sane humans think Vanquish is not great at all on the gunplay, also no GORE, what the hell?
The Albatross
Member
Reader votes so list is too influenced by current games. Seems weighted by people who were like 8 when N64 games came out.
No SMB3?
GTAV over San Andreas?
Sonic in the 50s?
Twighlight Princess ahead of Link to the Past?
... planetscape torment... elite... the fuck.
No SMB3?
GTAV over San Andreas?
Sonic in the 50s?
Twighlight Princess ahead of Link to the Past?
... planetscape torment... elite... the fuck.
The multiplayer is fun because of the low ammo, crafting, teamwork focused nature of it with stealth elements.
The single player is fun for the same reasons with a heavier emphasis on stealth but minus the teamwork.
I love both of these elements, and love the multiplayer for it. However, the gunplay isn't a huge part of the experience here, the hit detection might be excellent, but I don't agree that you feel the kills to the extent you're saying you do or that the headshots are anywhere near unmatched. You mention gears, that's a game I would instantly say has better headshots, hell even Mass Effect 3 has better headshots and I wouldn't say it has good gunplay.
The game excels at being a teamwork based TPS where your actions relative to your teammates matters a lot more than how you use your gun, and that's fine. But I can't agree that the gunplay is great.
Fancy Clown
Member
First time I have disagreed with you FC, was bound to happen eventually
We had a good run