MikeXXIeaf
Banned
What about it was good by modern standards? I always hear about conserving ammo but that's not an inherently good quality even in a horror game.
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New Resident Evil: Revelations 2 Info (Claire, Barry's Daughter, 1080p/60FPS, co-op)
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Well they released Dragon's Dogma, and are currently making deep down. And RE6 and RE:R, both good games in my opinion. Not greatest hits REs of all time good but definitely good. And you're acting like RE is among some of the most complex games of all time, when a ton of the puzzles usually involve walking around and figuring out which random item goes with which door<--Hyperbole yes but not that off base.
It's no use explaining because you already made up your mind.
I replay the old RE games every year and they don't feel outdated at all, except for the first one.
He's dead, Jim.
The Silver
Member
Co-op already kills any chance of it being "return to roots, classic survival horror".
Best I can hope for is for the partner to be as much of non-entity as Ashley was.
Best I can hope for is for the partner to be as much of non-entity as Ashley was.
Barry Burton
Member
What are these "modern standards"?
Well, we disagree there. Revelations is okay, RE6 was a poor effort.
It's pretty off base. Classic RE threw you into an environment and it was up to you to figure your way through it. The individual puzzles required you to take in the information around you to figure them out, while the levels (mansion, RPD, etc.) were large scale puzzles in and of themselves. You'd have several different possible paths to explore at any given time, and it was up to you to discover which one would help you progress further.
Modern RE is a straight line, where you are told exactly where to go, even though you wouldn't need to considering the level design rarely allows for more than one path to take. There's no reason to ever think for yourself.
The drop off in complexity from RE1 to RE4 is staggering, as is the drop off from RE4 to RE6.
Neff
Member
It's not a small group by any means, but for what it's worth, I'm cautiously optimistic. Revelations was unsatisfactory as a modern RE and as a purported 'classic' RE. But I'm sure there will be improvements, and improvements can only make for a better experience.
Pretty sure Wesker said he's not and that he has the virus.
MikeXXIeaf
Banned
The gameplay (shooting, puzzles, etc.) have been improved upon in gaming since RE1-3.
He was only teasing Claire and trying to make her feel like shit.
By that logic, 90% of games made before last gen are garbage.
MikeXXIeaf
Banned
Well the initial question is how RE1-3's gameplay stands out on it's own. They seems to have aged pretty badly to me.
Barry Burton
Member
How so? They've both been made significantly easier, is that what you mean by "better"? Were the old games too tough for you?
ArkkAngel007
Member
I'll be completely honest here: your opinion is trash, especially in concern with trying to dictate how people took in the game THEY played.
REmake, 2, and 3 were just fine, scary or not. I love them despite not finding anything really scary or tense generally. Great atmosphere, intriguing lore, and interesting puzzles and situations. Also enjoyed the item management. Felt the same about the first two Dino Crisis titles and The Last of Us (no item management and poor puzzles aside).
But maybe you're one of those RE6 gameplay champions who overlooks everything else about the game outside of Mercenaries.
Assumptions are shitty, aren't they?
The group is very small. more people on GAF than any where else. I don't get the love of RE6. it is/was a total mess and didn't do anything for the series. Reason why I do love the way they are going now with this game.
-MD-
Member
Wow.
I'm optimistic despite the myriad of disappointing details. Heck, I'll probably end up getting it anyways. I just really want Capcom to find a nice balance between old and new.
MikeXXIeaf
Banned
I mean in gaming period, but even if we focus on the series, how is gunplay that is made more difficult by the camera a point in classic RE's favor?
Granted, puzzles are significantly dumbed down.
Denial brehs
if you say so........ ok?
I played REmake after I played RE5, and I loved it. So there's definitely no nostalgia here explaining why I like it.
I think the best part of REmake is the how navigating through the mansion feels like a puzzle in itself. You need to explore more of the mansion to gain new supplies and to progress through the game, but you have to constantly think carefully about which path to take considering which enemies are still alive, and which enemies might turn into crimson heads. So you have to make decisions like "So, I can go into that room where there's 15 bullets for me to take, but is it worthwhile when I have go through this corridor with 3 zombies in it?"
I think that type of thinking is what made the game great. I hear some people complain about the limited inventory and all the backtracking, but I think those are integral parts of REmake's gameplay.
Player 2 doesn't get to use weapons. They have a flashlight, that can blind the zombie enemies, seemingly slowing them down. Having a CO-OP partner doesn't mean having another person helping you shoot zombies, like RE5 or RE6.
It's asymmetrical CO-OP. We haven't seen much of that in a survival horror. The integral reliance that each player has on the other, unlike RE5/RE6, might actually aid in creating tension.
Black Soma
Member
People usually love it because of the combat system. One of the best in any TPS.
I love RE6 for the same reason, and while I'm not a big fan of Revelations I still liked it. Can't wait to play this.
Barry Burton
Member
Shooters are popular on GAF. The shooting mechanics in RE6 can be pretty fun.
Doesn't mean I think it's a good game (it's not) or a good RE game (it's a terrible one), but I understand why people do like it. Ultimately, is it the right direction for a supposed survival horror franchise? Obviously, no.
You were saying the horror was outdated, that the tension level established in the older games could be considered "trash" now.
But how has modern gaming made that better? I don't see how making it easier to aim and making puzzles require little-to-no thought has made games feel more tense in modern times. Not to mention linear level design, overabundance of ammo, gratuitous checkpoints, QTEs, etc. None of those things have been a positive addition to the survival horror genre.
I'm not saying that nothing from classic RE can be modernized. There are certain aspects that certainly are outdated. The problem is that they haven't modernized anything from the original Resident Evil games...the characters are the only thing left, everything else is gone.
Because the games weren't shooters. Adding better shooting mechanics would've removed a lot of the tension (which happened starting from 4 onwards).
It's been so long... If that's the case, then I've waited years for her to lead again for nothing... Well, she's still an awesome character and my favorite, so I can't wait to see what's next for her.
Curious about how this game will turn out though. I remember RE6 claiming it was going to be more horror than action too. This makes me wonder what this means for the main series. Will the revelations series be horror while the main series continue to try new things like the action route?
dragonlife
Member
Fuck yeah, Claire! <3
Day one for her and co-op.
Day one for her and co-op.
ArkkAngel007
Member
It's not more difficult though. In fact, it's easier by the fact that you pretty much have auto-aim and, with practice, avoid a lot of enemies than fight them.
From a gameplay perspective, this is where I'm coming from as well (though I played REmake before 4-6 and still play it).
I think that's the route they're taking. Which is cool with me. RE being split into two different series sounds pretty nice.
MikeXXIeaf
Banned
Ah, I agree then. That is something special the classic games had and it sucks we haven't seen it since.
-MD-
Member
Coop tells me no. Need to see footage though.
Still felt like 95% a full blown over the top action game with little to no scares & ample supplies of resources + a forced coop partner, definitely not a perfect balance or even close to being a good balance.
Black Soma
Member
I'm guessing the game will have a lot of dark areas and enemies weak to light since Moira's main equipment is a flashlight. Should be interesting.
But it wasn't, that's why I was so surprised to see similar opinions everywhere.
Only the Jill levels balance old and new RE, the ice levels and the levels in Terragrigia are pure modern RE.
For what it's worth, I liked the game (I'm in the group that likes all the mainline RE games, which is probably the smallest one.)
ArkkAngel007
Member
Parts of the game maybe, but as the game progressed and we were given the narrative that we were, it turned out to not be the case for many.
I can't recall much favorable talk after the release on 3DS, but I didn't have the system at the time and stopped paying attention until I looked into the game when I finally did get a 3DS.
Miles Quaritch
Member
At least those missions weren't particularly long, but yeah, the game had more than its share of modern RE influences.
Saying that, it never really got as bad as RE6. So that's something.
Graphics Horse
Member
Could have physical attacks too.
RE:R was not perfect but man.. got a lot of things right. Queen Zenobia is my favorite location in the series after the mansion. Real great place. Terragrigia was meh. :/
it's definitely going to be an action game, i don't think there's much question about it
the question is simply up to the quality and specific design bent of the action gameplay (to see exactly how it's done in addition to the atmosphere/tone of the game)
i'm very curious to see how different designers approach the aspect of scarcity in resources with the core gameplay being action/combat related 'cuz nothing has seemed to have struck a great balance that i've played
obviously they are trying to go for more of a horror tone in the rev series level design, rev1 was pretty clearly an attempt at this.
dead space 1 is a good example of a strong action game with strong horror elements and i just really wonder if re:rev2 will be able to match up to the overall strong design cohesiveness of DS1 in terms of melding the core action gameplay with the very strong horror tone
the question is simply up to the quality and specific design bent of the action gameplay (to see exactly how it's done in addition to the atmosphere/tone of the game)
i'm very curious to see how different designers approach the aspect of scarcity in resources with the core gameplay being action/combat related 'cuz nothing has seemed to have struck a great balance that i've played
obviously they are trying to go for more of a horror tone in the rev series level design, rev1 was pretty clearly an attempt at this.
dead space 1 is a good example of a strong action game with strong horror elements and i just really wonder if re:rev2 will be able to match up to the overall strong design cohesiveness of DS1 in terms of melding the core action gameplay with the very strong horror tone
Barry Burton
Member
Yeah, I know the feeling. It's sad to think that Revelations is probably the best we can hope for in a survival horror RE, but...it's probably the best we can hope for.
Revelations 2 will really benefit from not doing that again (the jumping around to "action levels" dividing up the main campaign).
ArkkAngel007
Member
That's probably the best way to understand the story in RE6, even if you have played it.
Omg LOL
Miles Quaritch
Member
That's definitely the best news about the game so far. A more focused campaign will be great. I just hope they don't split up Moira and Claire too much.
Barry Burton
Member
I know exactly what it means when I use that word.
Black Soma
Member
I agree.