Mr. Smiley
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Bah. If so, I should have figured. Oh well.
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Super Smash Bros. for 3DS |OT| It's out in Japan
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Bah. If so, I should have figured. Oh well.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Should metal bats be allowed in the MLB?
I really like the game itself but as you said the L and R situation is kind of wack. I also get hand cramps when playing (using an XL).
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Deleted member 125677
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The Villager is def main material, so fun!
I'm English so I have no idea what you just said, but sure why not...if everyone can use them.
TDLink
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Custom moves don't seem to be OP, just different. They also are accessible from the character select so it doesn't seem to require a great deal of additional setup. I see no reason why they shouldn't be used in tournaments. It just helps add variety. I agree with what another poster said in that it reminds me of picking assists in MvC. Or picking Ultras in SF4.
You mean they will only allow you to transfer 500 coins to the final game? That kind of sucks. I've got well over 1000 right now in the demo.
This is something I notice about a lot of communities for competitive games. A lot of people don't see games (in this case Smash) as a game, but more as a technical experience that they have to refine. Playing for fun is just not an option to some people. I've seen this in some of my friends. "Items ruin the game." or "Pretty much all the levels that aren't Final Destination/Battlefield shouldn't be in the game." (Actual argument's I've seen.) Arguments like that make sense from a competitive standpoint, but it's unfair to generalize the entire game like that.
AdaWong
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ZeRo has been playing and streaming with her and he keeps saying that Marth and Lucina feel very different while Dark pit is actually more of a 1:1 clone than Lucina
I have 3021g.
KelpPlankton
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You're confusing custom moves for character gear. Character gear is inherently randomized and unbalanced, and would not be allowed at tournaments.
Custom moves are just options for different ways to attack.
A more apt comparison would be a pitcher opting to use a curveball instead of pitching straight.
So i did not really follow much news for the 3DS version of smash bros but..... i have a WiiU and a 3ds, (now i dont have much commute time so i dont play my 3DS very regular) is there any sort of advantage to having both versions? or do people recommend me waiting for the WiiU version.
This is the core of the problem though. I would rather have a tightly designed experience that utilizes variables inside the game to create interesting experiences. Custom movesets, on the other hand, ask users to fix what is obviously broken through a convoluted means of falsified individuality.
A Human Becoming
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Now you have piqued my interest in custom moves.
-If you own both you can use your 3DS as a controller on the Wii U
-You can transfer customization between both
-Smash Run is 3DS version only
-Each game has unique stages
That seems to be it from my perspective, besides the obvious difference of 3D, which is nice but not phenomenal from my experience.
My demo impressions:
1.The core gameplay is fun. It feels weighty again after Brawl. Feels much better than Brawl top to bottom, really, and a lot of my fears there are put to rest. Definitely doesn't feel like Melee, though.
2.The controls were weird for me at first, struggled to get used to them.
3.All five available characters were fun as hell, except for maybe Mega Man. He's a strange one.
4.The OG 3DS screen is just too small to play the game properly with 4 characters. When the screen zooms out all the way it's very hard to figure out what's going on. For this reason I'm going to hold out for the Wii U version.
5.Another reason is that the stage selection looks poor on 3DS.
6.The game is stunning for a 3DS game, though. The art style they used makes everything as clear as it could be, and it runs silky smooth. It's a real technical achievement.
7.So far Pikachu is my favourite because he's a beast when items are on. He gets to all the good ones first. He also is one of those characters whose moves are exactly what I imagined they should be before I ever played him. He plays like you'd imagine he should.
8.The villager's moveset is incredibly inventive, so much so that it's hard to tell the difference between her normals and specials.
9. You can notice that certain items are running at 30fps but it's not a big deal.
10. Some of the new items are inspired, and seeing new ones has been half of the fun so far.
Overall I'm very hopeful for the full Wii U version. At the same time, it does feel quite a bit like 'just more Smash Bros'. Whereas with Mario Kart 8 I felt like Nintendo had gone above and beyond to make a game that stood alone as clearly the best in its series, a game that literally stunned me from the moment I first played it.
That's a high bar to reach though, so I'm not complaining. For me, a huge amount will be determined by the quality of single player content and online netcode in the final Wii U game. If that stuff is up to scratch, then the game could be a 9 or 10 out of 10.
The hype remains.
1.The core gameplay is fun. It feels weighty again after Brawl. Feels much better than Brawl top to bottom, really, and a lot of my fears there are put to rest. Definitely doesn't feel like Melee, though.
2.The controls were weird for me at first, struggled to get used to them.
3.All five available characters were fun as hell, except for maybe Mega Man. He's a strange one.
4.The OG 3DS screen is just too small to play the game properly with 4 characters. When the screen zooms out all the way it's very hard to figure out what's going on. For this reason I'm going to hold out for the Wii U version.
5.Another reason is that the stage selection looks poor on 3DS.
6.The game is stunning for a 3DS game, though. The art style they used makes everything as clear as it could be, and it runs silky smooth. It's a real technical achievement.
7.So far Pikachu is my favourite because he's a beast when items are on. He gets to all the good ones first. He also is one of those characters whose moves are exactly what I imagined they should be before I ever played him. He plays like you'd imagine he should.
8.The villager's moveset is incredibly inventive, so much so that it's hard to tell the difference between her normals and specials.
9. You can notice that certain items are running at 30fps but it's not a big deal.
10. Some of the new items are inspired, and seeing new ones has been half of the fun so far.
Overall I'm very hopeful for the full Wii U version. At the same time, it does feel quite a bit like 'just more Smash Bros'. Whereas with Mario Kart 8 I felt like Nintendo had gone above and beyond to make a game that stood alone as clearly the best in its series, a game that literally stunned me from the moment I first played it.
That's a high bar to reach though, so I'm not complaining. For me, a huge amount will be determined by the quality of single player content and online netcode in the final Wii U game. If that stuff is up to scratch, then the game could be a 9 or 10 out of 10.
The hype remains.
theprodigy
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He's not talking about custom moves though, he's talking about the "everything goes" mentality JoeM86 has.
To me, it seems more like preference than individuality. If I like one of these custom moves better than the default move, I'll pick it. Another person may like the default better, so they'll keep default.
My current Ganon setup:
+Speed 21 -Attack 14
Custom Up B that doesn't hug but instead has a knee-like sweetspot
Custom Standard B that has better range, is slightly quicker, albeit less powerful, and has fucking super armor.
Custom Side B that's quick, great for recovery, eats through shield, and has decent knock back
Custom Down B that goes further on ground, and meteor smashes/spikes (donno which) in air.
It's really, really good. Not exactly like project m in function, but definitely in purpose. It's a hard hitting, fairly speeding, great at entering any situation machine.
Oh man, this sounds really interesting. If you can can you record a match of this moveset? I don't mind if it's like your Ganon Up-B video, I just wanna see it in action!
SoldnerKei
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from the other thread, cause this one look more oriented to this topic
KelpPlankton
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Custom moves are designed to offer additional strategic choices for every character in the game to adapt themselves to other characters or situations. It's more options, not 'asking the users to fix what is obviously broken'.
And what does 'falsified individuality' even mean in this context?
Look at other fighting games. Mortal Kombat X has three fighting styles per character, each of which is suited to a different situation and affects their matchups. Marvel Vs Capcom as a series is about team customization via character selection, and MvC3 in particular lets you choose what type of assist move you want on an individual per-character basis. Some options are more viable than others in most situations, some are better in certain fringe cases, but they're all options.
Smash Bros' custom moves are adding similar amounts of variety to these playable characters by offering slight variations (or in cases like Palutena, entirely different moves) that can be selected in various situations to increase the strategic variety and potential for counter-picking in the game. These are good things. This raises the strategy of the metagame to be higher, it adds more potential characters to higher tiers (custom moves will never make someone worse- they are either better in X situation or they don't use them for X situation), and it makes it so there's more layers to character selection when going up against an opponent.
You have to pick not only a character you're familiar with, but the appropriate variant of that character to deal with the character your opponent has picked. And within your opponent's picks are going to be multiple variants of that single character as well.
None of this adds any sort of fake individuality- it's customization. It's more layers of character selection strategy, more layers of potential counter-picking, and wider tier potential overall.
Please check out this wonderful writeup over on Reddit where someone explains it better than I can, and the competitive community responds, for the most part, in a positive way.
Custom Moves are good and useful, and can make the game better for every character. There is no downside to allowing them other than setup time. They add depth and complexity to a game that only benefits from having more options.
tonyh24613
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Smash Run powers.
HypnoDarkrai
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Where can you check your gold?
Worth noting that i just discovered the super armor is on the normal version of it too, but we're streaming at hitbox.tv/makai if you wanna see some of this in action!
It appears in the Vault section! 1045g and counting
HypnoDarkrai
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Awesome, I'll check it out!
I'm kinda burnt out on watching twitch streams all day lol
Booty Patrol
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Has anyone done online? How does it run?
kuroneko0509
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No, unless I missed it while playing last night
Thats my view.
Error404SwagNotFound
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Whoa thanks!
I've got 4438g so far
Hope it can all transfer.
Treehouse stream confirmed it WILL transfer, you're in luck!
Synless
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This is highly dissapointing news
So played the demo for a while. But is it just me or do the controls feel kinds slippery?
I'm no expert smash player but it feels like I had more control over the characters movement in the previous games. It might also just be the control stick of the 3ds.
I really want the new 3ds for this games since I'm so used to using the second stick for smash attacks.
I'm no expert smash player but it feels like I had more control over the characters movement in the previous games. It might also just be the control stick of the 3ds.
I really want the new 3ds for this games since I'm so used to using the second stick for smash attacks.
Nope.
Also I've just come into the thread and seen people debating whether custom moves (not equipment) should be in.
They definitely, definitely should be in, some characters default moves are completely terrible and the customs really don't change enough to make a character broken, they do change enough to make the character more viable though.
Ness for example is completely terrible in this game, especially his specials, in any other smash he'd be completely forgotten and it would be left at that, but change his specials and he's not as bad (he still has awful normals though).
autobzooty
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After brawl, I'll be pleasantly surprised if the online is even playable.
BeatResetsTheWorld
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This doesn't even make sense unless you've lived in some sort of cave and aren't aware of the numerous online games Nintendo has released since Brawl which are all much better
HypnoDarkrai
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Great news! I didn't watch the Treehouse stream so I didn't know.
Thanks for telling me.
After you customize a character, you can save the entire move sets in different slots(each character has 10 slots, so there are potentially 10 variations of a single character), and you just pick the one you want to use when you pick the characters, so it wouldn't be much of a hassle at all, players just have to customize the move sets beforehand and then play it in tournaments, it kinda adds some excitement to the competitive play as the opponents won't have any idea what you have in store for them(different move sets, different equipments, etc.)
HypnoDarkrai
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